Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/

The challenge with this precedent (if it ends up surviving appeal) is that it sets a standard whereby it's increasingly difficult to rectify any admissions process that is "facially neutral" if it has a "disparate impact" in the first place.

The old exam-based admissions process was every bit as "facially neutral" as the new one, and had a much greater "disparate impact" when measured against the applying population than the new one does by any mathematical standard of evaluation. But because it was pre-existing, and because the School Board was extremely clumsy in their implementation and communications, you ended up with the decision you had.

Imagine for a moment that TJ were a brand-new school and that its first incoming class were selected by this new process and that there were no problematic communications to look at - meaning that the process were to be evaluated on its own merit. Would it survive a legal challenge? I don't think Judge Hilton addressed this very important point at all in his opinion.

Why does he have to address a weird, irrelevant hypothetical question like that?

Reject your premise that the question is weird or irrelevant. It is a hypothetical, but it gets at the core question, which is "Is the new admissions process, on its own, racially discriminatory?"

You are either a moron or a tool to suggest that the core question is one that completely overlooks the motivations of the 12 Democrats on the FCPS School Board for changing the TJ admissions process.

Some of us are able to differentiate between the intent and the actual admissions process. On its own, the admission process is perfectly fine.

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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/

The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.

Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?

Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...

Let's point out a important point here. The Black community in Fairfax can mobilize and protest race issues, as they did with the hiring of the Fairfax Police Chief, where black pastors lead the charge. Notice that you did not see ANY Black protests or agitation on this issue. The agitators leading effort for reform where white, even Fairfax NAACP is majority white and serves as their mouthpiece. Their initial proposal was the merit lottery that would make TJ white again. It was only due to resistance from the Coalition that led to the new process the judge threw out. This was a white liberal hit on Asians. They haven't gone anywhere and they will try something else.

There is no truth to this assertion. The groups that were involved in the admissions reform would have been thrilled had the result of the changes been a class that was 70% Asian, 10% white, 10% Black, and 10% Hispanic. Especially if it had come along with the same changes as far as economically disadvantaged students.

The whole "white beneficiaries" thing is a red herring that is designed to elicit sympathy from progressives. It's effective, but it has no basis in reality. C4TJ attempted to put out a study that suggested that the merit lottery proposal (which I hated, btw) would have resulted in a class that was plurality-white at something like 44% - but it presumed that EVERY student eligible in the catchment areas would apply to TJ - something like 9000 applicants. There is NO stakeholder in this process who is interested in more white students at TJ.

Let's call out that lie. Recall Michelle Leete's 'Let Them Die' speech? That was in front of a crowd of the white and woke. Not a black one. There wasn't any black leadership stoking the fires for this process. It was led by white wokies in cosplay as black revolutionarios.

Yes, the ideals that drive parents to disrespect teachers and schools should die.

Who exactly are these white stakeholders pushing for more white people at TJ?

These white stakeholders are the pushy PTA moms that badger schools to get their kid into AAP (when they can't hang) and want to brag that their kid goes to the top high school in America. The problem, and reality, they are facing is that TJ only became number one when it became majority Asian, and now they act as they care about the plight of the Black & Brown (they never did before), and they don't want to sacrifice the overscheduling of their child in the gazillion activities they are in to focus on core education so they can compete with international talent.

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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/

The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.

Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?

Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...

Let's point out a important point here. The Black community in Fairfax can mobilize and protest race issues, as they did with the hiring of the Fairfax Police Chief, where black pastors lead the charge. Notice that you did not see ANY Black protests or agitation on this issue. The agitators leading effort for reform where white, even Fairfax NAACP is majority white and serves as their mouthpiece. Their initial proposal was the merit lottery that would make TJ white again. It was only due to resistance from the Coalition that led to the new process the judge threw out. This was a white liberal hit on Asians. They haven't gone anywhere and they will try something else.

There is no truth to this assertion. The groups that were involved in the admissions reform would have been thrilled had the result of the changes been a class that was 70% Asian, 10% white, 10% Black, and 10% Hispanic. Especially if it had come along with the same changes as far as economically disadvantaged students.

The whole "white beneficiaries" thing is a red herring that is designed to elicit sympathy from progressives. It's effective, but it has no basis in reality. C4TJ attempted to put out a study that suggested that the merit lottery proposal (which I hated, btw) would have resulted in a class that was plurality-white at something like 44% - but it presumed that EVERY student eligible in the catchment areas would apply to TJ - something like 9000 applicants. There is NO stakeholder in this process who is interested in more white students at TJ.

Let's call out that lie. Recall Michelle Leete's 'Let Them Die' speech? That was in front of a crowd of the white and woke. Not a black one. There wasn't any black leadership stoking the fires for this process. It was led by white wokies in cosplay as black revolutionarios.

Yes, the ideals that drive parents to disrespect teachers and schools should die.

Who exactly are these white stakeholders pushing for more white people at TJ?

These white stakeholders are the pushy PTA moms that badger schools to get their kid into AAP (when they can't hang) and want to brag that their kid goes to the top high school in America. The problem, and reality, they are facing is that TJ only became number one when it became majority Asian, and now they act as they care about the plight of the Black & Brown (they never did before), and they don't want to sacrifice the overscheduling of their child in the gazillion activities they are in to focus on core education so they can compete with international talent.

Same ones that obtain fraudulent diagnosis and prescriptions to gain more time on tests and HW for their kids in HS, SAT and in college classes saying their kids are ADHD while those same kids make money selling those fraudulently obtained drug. Stop gaming the system. Legacy, athletics, bribery (remember varsity blues) are not enough for these people.

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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/

The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.

Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?

Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...

Let's point out a important point here. The Black community in Fairfax can mobilize and protest race issues, as they did with the hiring of the Fairfax Police Chief, where black pastors lead the charge. Notice that you did not see ANY Black protests or agitation on this issue. The agitators leading effort for reform where white, even Fairfax NAACP is majority white and serves as their mouthpiece. Their initial proposal was the merit lottery that would make TJ white again. It was only due to resistance from the Coalition that led to the new process the judge threw out. This was a white liberal hit on Asians. They haven't gone anywhere and they will try something else.

There is no truth to this assertion. The groups that were involved in the admissions reform would have been thrilled had the result of the changes been a class that was 70% Asian, 10% white, 10% Black, and 10% Hispanic. Especially if it had come along with the same changes as far as economically disadvantaged students.

The whole "white beneficiaries" thing is a red herring that is designed to elicit sympathy from progressives. It's effective, but it has no basis in reality. C4TJ attempted to put out a study that suggested that the merit lottery proposal (which I hated, btw) would have resulted in a class that was plurality-white at something like 44% - but it presumed that EVERY student eligible in the catchment areas would apply to TJ - something like 9000 applicants. There is NO stakeholder in this process who is interested in more white students at TJ.

Let's call out that lie. Recall Michelle Leete's 'Let Them Die' speech? That was in front of a crowd of the white and woke. Not a black one. There wasn't any black leadership stoking the fires for this process. It was led by white wokies in cosplay as black revolutionarios.

Yes, the ideals that drive parents to disrespect teachers and schools should die.

Who exactly are these white stakeholders pushing for more white people at TJ?

These white stakeholders are the pushy PTA moms that badger schools to get their kid into AAP (when they can't hang) and want to brag that their kid goes to the top high school in America. The problem, and reality, they are facing is that TJ only became number one when it became majority Asian, and now they act as they care about the plight of the Black & Brown (they never did before), and they don't want to sacrifice the overscheduling of their child in the gazillion activities they are in to focus on core education so they can compete with international talent.

I highly doubt they care that much.

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I’m puzzled. Do suburban White wine Biden-Youngkin moms support the judge’s decision or not? Or it, ummmmm, “complicated?”

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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/

The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.

Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?

Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...

Let's point out a important point here. The Black community in Fairfax can mobilize and protest race issues, as they did with the hiring of the Fairfax Police Chief, where black pastors lead the charge. Notice that you did not see ANY Black protests or agitation on this issue. The agitators leading effort for reform where white, even Fairfax NAACP is majority white and serves as their mouthpiece. Their initial proposal was the merit lottery that would make TJ white again. It was only due to resistance from the Coalition that led to the new process the judge threw out. This was a white liberal hit on Asians. They haven't gone anywhere and they will try something else.

There is no truth to this assertion. The groups that were involved in the admissions reform would have been thrilled had the result of the changes been a class that was 70% Asian, 10% white, 10% Black, and 10% Hispanic. Especially if it had come along with the same changes as far as economically disadvantaged students.

The whole "white beneficiaries" thing is a red herring that is designed to elicit sympathy from progressives. It's effective, but it has no basis in reality. C4TJ attempted to put out a study that suggested that the merit lottery proposal (which I hated, btw) would have resulted in a class that was plurality-white at something like 44% - but it presumed that EVERY student eligible in the catchment areas would apply to TJ - something like 9000 applicants. There is NO stakeholder in this process who is interested in more white students at TJ.

Let's call out that lie. Recall Michelle Leete's 'Let Them Die' speech? That was in front of a crowd of the white and woke. Not a black one. There wasn't any black leadership stoking the fires for this process. It was led by white wokies in cosplay as black revolutionarios.

Yes, the ideals that drive parents to disrespect teachers and schools should die.

Who exactly are these white stakeholders pushing for more white people at TJ?

These white stakeholders are the pushy PTA moms that badger schools to get their kid into AAP (when they can't hang) and want to brag that their kid goes to the top high school in America. The problem, and reality, they are facing is that TJ only became number one when it became majority Asian, and now they act as they care about the plight of the Black & Brown (they never did before), and they don't want to sacrifice the overscheduling of their child in the gazillion activities they are in to focus on core education so they can compete with international talent.

Same ones that obtain fraudulent diagnosis and prescriptions to gain more time on tests and HW for their kids in HS, SAT and in college classes saying their kids are ADHD while those same kids make money selling those fraudulently obtained drug. Stop gaming the system. Legacy, athletics, bribery (remember varsity blues) are not enough for these people.

Very astute observation.

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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/

The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.

Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?

Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...

Let's point out a important point here. The Black community in Fairfax can mobilize and protest race issues, as they did with the hiring of the Fairfax Police Chief, where black pastors lead the charge. Notice that you did not see ANY Black protests or agitation on this issue. The agitators leading effort for reform where white, even Fairfax NAACP is majority white and serves as their mouthpiece. Their initial proposal was the merit lottery that would make TJ white again. It was only due to resistance from the Coalition that led to the new process the judge threw out. This was a white liberal hit on Asians. They haven't gone anywhere and they will try something else.

There is no truth to this assertion. The groups that were involved in the admissions reform would have been thrilled had the result of the changes been a class that was 70% Asian, 10% white, 10% Black, and 10% Hispanic. Especially if it had come along with the same changes as far as economically disadvantaged students.

The whole "white beneficiaries" thing is a red herring that is designed to elicit sympathy from progressives. It's effective, but it has no basis in reality. C4TJ attempted to put out a study that suggested that the merit lottery proposal (which I hated, btw) would have resulted in a class that was plurality-white at something like 44% - but it presumed that EVERY student eligible in the catchment areas would apply to TJ - something like 9000 applicants. There is NO stakeholder in this process who is interested in more white students at TJ.

Let's call out that lie. Recall Michelle Leete's 'Let Them Die' speech? That was in front of a crowd of the white and woke. Not a black one. There wasn't any black leadership stoking the fires for this process. It was led by white wokies in cosplay as black revolutionarios.

Yes, the ideals that drive parents to disrespect teachers and schools should die.

Who exactly are these white stakeholders pushing for more white people at TJ?

These white stakeholders are the pushy PTA moms that badger schools to get their kid into AAP (when they can't hang) and want to brag that their kid goes to the top high school in America. The problem, and reality, they are facing is that TJ only became number one when it became majority Asian, and now they act as they care about the plight of the Black & Brown (they never did before), and they don't want to sacrifice the overscheduling of their child in the gazillion activities they are in to focus on core education so they can compete with international talent.

I don’t see any of that at all. I do people of all backgrounds concerned about the poor representation of URMs and ED students at TJ.

Should we look at who exactly is pushing their kids to apply?

Let’s say there are 14000 8th graders in FCPS (ignoring other counties).
8th graders: 5200 white & 2730 Asian
Applied to TJ: 726 white & 1535 Asian
14% of white 8th graders applied to TJ
56% of Asian 8th graders applied to TJ

Where are these pushy white PTA moms? They seem to be fabrications.

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Anonymous wrote:"The other big reason why this case might set an important precedent is that it involves a “diversity” or “affirmative action” plan where the principal victims are Asian-Americans. Disproportionate effects on Asian-Americans have come up in other cases, most notably the currently ongoing litigation against Harvard’s affirmative action policies. But none of them involve targeting of Asian-Americans as blatant or as large-scale as in this case. And none involve a situation where it is so clear that the primary beneficiaries of the new policy will be whites, even though officials clearly also want to increase the percentage of African-Americans and Hispanics."

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/tj-high-school-lawsuit-could-set-important-precedents/

The primary beneficiaries won't be white students unless they actually start applying to the school in greater numbers. They had a much smaller uptick in the class of 2025 than Black and Hispanic students did.

Are they not applying because the school is majority Asian and they not comfortable being a minority?

Haven't you heard the saying? In a college course, the rule of thumb is to drop the class if the class has 30% or more Asian students. They don't want to work too hard...

Let's point out a important point here. The Black community in Fairfax can mobilize and protest race issues, as they did with the hiring of the Fairfax Police Chief, where black pastors lead the charge. Notice that you did not see ANY Black protests or agitation on this issue. The agitators leading effort for reform where white, even Fairfax NAACP is majority white and serves as their mouthpiece. Their initial proposal was the merit lottery that would make TJ white again. It was only due to resistance from the Coalition that led to the new process the judge threw out. This was a white liberal hit on Asians. They haven't gone anywhere and they will try something else.

There is no truth to this assertion. The groups that were involved in the admissions reform would have been thrilled had the result of the changes been a class that was 70% Asian, 10% white, 10% Black, and 10% Hispanic. Especially if it had come along with the same changes as far as economically disadvantaged students.

The whole "white beneficiaries" thing is a red herring that is designed to elicit sympathy from progressives. It's effective, but it has no basis in reality. C4TJ attempted to put out a study that suggested that the merit lottery proposal (which I hated, btw) would have resulted in a class that was plurality-white at something like 44% - but it presumed that EVERY student eligible in the catchment areas would apply to TJ - something like 9000 applicants. There is NO stakeholder in this process who is interested in more white students at TJ.

Let's call out that lie. Recall Michelle Leete's 'Let Them Die' speech? That was in front of a crowd of the white and woke. Not a black one. There wasn't any black leadership stoking the fires for this process. It was led by white wokies in cosplay as black revolutionarios.

Yes, the ideals that drive parents to disrespect teachers and schools should die.

Who exactly are these white stakeholders pushing for more white people at TJ?

These white stakeholders are the pushy PTA moms that badger schools to get their kid into AAP (when they can't hang) and want to brag that their kid goes to the top high school in America. The problem, and reality, they are facing is that TJ only became number one when it became majority Asian, and now they act as they care about the plight of the Black & Brown (they never did before), and they don't want to sacrifice the overscheduling of their child in the gazillion activities they are in to focus on core education so they can compete with international talent.

I don’t see any of that at all. I do people of all backgrounds concerned about the poor representation of URMs and ED students at TJ.

Should we look at who exactly is pushing their kids to apply?

Let’s say there are 14000 8th graders in FCPS (ignoring other counties).
8th graders: 5200 white & 2730 Asian
Applied to TJ: 726 white & 1535 Asian
14% of white 8th graders applied to TJ
56% of Asian 8th graders applied to TJ

Where are these pushy white PTA moms? They seem to be fabrications.

Much easier to demonize white people. They can’t get out of their own way, so they’re an easy target.

But the application numbers prove that they simply don’t care about TJ.

Endgame.

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White parents don't think their kids will do well at TJ. They won't put in the work and you don't need TJ for GMU or JMU admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:White parents don't think their kids will do well at TJ. They won't put in the work and you don't need TJ for GMU or JMU admissions.

Hahah. Tell her he truth.

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If white parents don’t care about TJ, why did we need to increase the number of white students at TJ? Because that’s exactly what we did

[Anonymous]

Really, the best solutions are to:

1) Build a second TJ, and

2) Actively guide young URM students so they get interested in STEM and TJ

Of course, that’s difficult and unsexy, so go with the easier solution of dumbing down the admissions policy

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Anonymous wrote:If white parents don’t care about TJ, why did we need to increase the number of white students at TJ? Because that’s exactly what we did

There could be more white students at TJ if more white students were applying. But they aren’t. Only 14% of white 8th graders even applied.

You think the white parents wanted to reduce the # of seats from well-represented middle schools and private schools? How would that benefit them?

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Anonymous wrote:If white parents don’t care about TJ, why did we need to increase the number of white students at TJ? Because that’s exactly what we did

There could be more white students at TJ if more white students were applying. But they aren’t. Only 14% of white 8th graders even applied.

You think the white parents wanted to reduce the # of seats from well-represented middle schools and private schools? How would that benefit them?

The Merit Lottery originally proposed in September 2020 that limits the number of admitted students from schools grouped into Regional pathways, would have given the whites a plurality at TJ. That shows the intent.

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Anonymous wrote:If white parents don’t care about TJ, why did we need to increase the number of white students at TJ? Because that’s exactly what we did

There could be more white students at TJ if more white students were applying. But they aren’t. Only 14% of white 8th graders even applied.

You think the white parents wanted to reduce the # of seats from well-represented middle schools and private schools? How would that benefit them?

The Merit Lottery originally proposed in September 2020 that limits the number of admitted students from schools grouped into Regional pathways, would have given the whites a plurality at TJ. That shows the intent.

White parents are of course interested in getting one of the best HS education for their kids for free but neither the parent nor the kid wants to compete against too many Asian students. So lower the standards and reduce the Asians and now we are talking.