I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

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Texas must be far bluer* than we imagined for the GOP to be cheating like this.

* https://www.newsweek.com/texas-ag-says-trump-wouldve-lost-state-if-it-hadnt-blocked-mail-ballots-applications-being-1597909

Maybe, just maybe.... the ballots were rejected for good reason.

Please, do tell! What reason?

They were likely for Democrats. Can’t have that in the People’s Republic of Texas.

The reason....

"Based on what we have heard from county election officials, the vast majority of mail-in ballot rejections were due to voters who did not provide any ID information on their carrier envelope," Sam Taylor, assistant secretary of state for communications, said in a statement.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/16/1086908593/texas-mail-ballot-rejection-final-rates-harris-williamson-counties

So you have to put the ID information on the ballot AND on the envelope. Why? And it has to be the same identifying information you used to register to vote, perhaps decades ago. Do any of you remember whether you registered using your driver’s license number or using your social security number? I don’t. Both are fine but it has to be the one you used.

“Under Texas' new voting law, known as Senate Bill 1, voters have to provide a partial Social Security number or driver's license number on their mail ballot application — as well as on the return envelope. And the ID number they provide has to match what's on their voter registration record, which could be from decades ago.

Davis said this new requirement tripped up an unprecedented number of voters. He and his staff helped many of them fix their ballots, but some voters did not fix their ballot in time to be counted.”

Hmmm no one can answer these questions.

They don’t care. It’s vote rigging. They’re fascists.

[Anonymous]

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Texas must be far bluer* than we imagined for the GOP to be cheating like this.

* https://www.newsweek.com/texas-ag-says-trump-wouldve-lost-state-if-it-hadnt-blocked-mail-ballots-applications-being-1597909

Maybe, just maybe.... the ballots were rejected for good reason.

Please, do tell! What reason?

They were likely for Democrats. Can’t have that in the People’s Republic of Texas.

The reason....

"Based on what we have heard from county election officials, the vast majority of mail-in ballot rejections were due to voters who did not provide any ID information on their carrier envelope," Sam Taylor, assistant secretary of state for communications, said in a statement.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/16/1086908593/texas-mail-ballot-rejection-final-rates-harris-williamson-counties

So you have to put the ID information on the ballot AND on the envelope. Why? And it has to be the same identifying information you used to register to vote, perhaps decades ago. Do any of you remember whether you registered using your driver’s license number or using your social security number? I don’t. Both are fine but it has to be the one you used.
“Under Texas' new voting law, known as Senate Bill 1, voters have to provide a partial Social Security number or driver's license number on their mail ballot application — as well as on the return envelope. And the ID number they provide has to match what's on their voter registration record, which could be from decades ago.

Davis said this new requirement tripped up an unprecedented number of voters. He and his staff helped many of them fix their ballots, but some voters did not fix their ballot in time to be counted.”

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I spoke to an official in TX who said it was so confusing. You have to put one type of id in one place and another in another place. People, mostly older, didn't understand what to do. How does this make the voting process safer? It doesn't!

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Texas must be far bluer* than we imagined for the GOP to be cheating like this.

* https://www.newsweek.com/texas-ag-says-trump-wouldve-lost-state-if-it-hadnt-blocked-mail-ballots-applications-being-1597909

Maybe, just maybe.... the ballots were rejected for good reason.

Please, do tell! What reason?

They were likely for Democrats. Can’t have that in the People’s Republic of Texas.

The reason....

"Based on what we have heard from county election officials, the vast majority of mail-in ballot rejections were due to voters who did not provide any ID information on their carrier envelope," Sam Taylor, assistant secretary of state for communications, said in a statement.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/16/1086908593/texas-mail-ballot-rejection-final-rates-harris-williamson-counties

So you have to put the ID information on the ballot AND on the envelope. Why? And it has to be the same identifying information you used to register to vote, perhaps decades ago. Do any of you remember whether you registered using your driver’s license number or using your social security number? I don’t. Both are fine but it has to be the one you used.
“Under Texas' new voting law, known as Senate Bill 1, voters have to provide a partial Social Security number or driver's license number on their mail ballot application — as well as on the return envelope. And the ID number they provide has to match what's on their voter registration record, which could be from decades ago.

Davis said this new requirement tripped up an unprecedented number of voters. He and his staff helped many of them fix their ballots, but some voters did not fix their ballot in time to be counted.”

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I spoke to an official in TX who said it was so confusing. You have to put one type of id in one place and another in another place. People, mostly older, didn't understand what to do. How does this make the voting process safer? It doesn't!

It’s not supposed to make voting safer. I bet it’s disproportionately Democratic voters who were unable to vote, because I would bet it’s disproportionately Democrats whose ballots were flagged while Republican ballots went unchecked.

[Anonymous]

Big win in Florida.

Saying that “Florida has a grotesque history of racial discrimination,” a federal district judge struck down most of a controversial election law passed in the state last year, and said the state can’t make any major changes to election regulations for the next 10 years unless a judge clears them first.
U.S. District Judge Mark Walker agreed with voters who sued the state that the bill “runs roughshod over the right to vote, unnecessarily making voting harder for all eligible Floridians, unduly burdening disabled voters, and intentionally targeting minority voters — all to improve the electoral prospects of the party in power.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/31/judge-strikes-down-florida-election-law-changes/

[Anonymous]

I would love to see data that show if there is a correlation between more restrictive laws being enacted and voter turnout.

(It is difficult to define “more restrictive” because, as many PPs have pointed out, some of the new restrictions in R states have been in place in D states. Maybe one way to break it down would be by specific restrictions: is there evidence that in states/counties with longer early voting we see higher voter turnout? If the intent of the laws is voter suppression, to what extent is it working?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would love to see data that show if there is a correlation between more restrictive laws being enacted and voter turnout.

(It is difficult to define “more restrictive” because, as many PPs have pointed out, some of the new restrictions in R states have been in place in D states. Maybe one way to break it down would be by specific restrictions: is there evidence that in states/counties with longer early voting we see higher voter turnout? If the intent of the laws is voter suppression, to what extent is it working?

I’m PP and decided to google some of this. I’m not claiming my 4 am googling is a comprehensive study, but:

Absentee/mail in voting doesn’t raise turnout: https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/vote-mail-had-surprisingly-little-effect-turnout-2020-new-study-shows

Early voting associated with lower turnout: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/09/23/study-early-voting-associated-with-lower-turnout/

[Anonymous]

Some good news, for once.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some good news, for once.

I’m surprised that Republicans aren’t on here in a huff about this.

Meanwhile, Mark Meadows was simultaneously registered to vote in three states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have no VRA anymore.

OP, does that answer your question.

Yep, this will be the last vestige. Welcome back, Jim Crow...

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Anonymous wrote:

Texas must be far bluer* than we imagined for the GOP to be cheating like this.

* https://www.newsweek.com/texas-ag-says-trump-wouldve-lost-state-if-it-hadnt-blocked-mail-ballots-applications-being-1597909

Maybe, just maybe.... the ballots were rejected for good reason.

Please, do tell! What reason?

They were likely for Democrats. Can’t have that in the People’s Republic of Texas.

The reason....

"Based on what we have heard from county election officials, the vast majority of mail-in ballot rejections were due to voters who did not provide any ID information on their carrier envelope," Sam Taylor, assistant secretary of state for communications, said in a statement.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/16/1086908593/texas-mail-ballot-rejection-final-rates-harris-williamson-counties

So you have to put the ID information on the ballot AND on the envelope. Why? And it has to be the same identifying information you used to register to vote, perhaps decades ago. Do any of you remember whether you registered using your driver’s license number or using your social security number? I don’t. Both are fine but it has to be the one you used.
“Under Texas' new voting law, known as Senate Bill 1, voters have to provide a partial Social Security number or driver's license number on their mail ballot application — as well as on the return envelope. And the ID number they provide has to match what's on their voter registration record, which could be from decades ago.

Davis said this new requirement tripped up an unprecedented number of voters. He and his staff helped many of them fix their ballots, but some voters did not fix their ballot in time to be counted.”

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I spoke to an official in TX who said it was so confusing. You have to put one type of id in one place and another in another place. People, mostly older, didn't understand what to do. How does this make the voting process safer? It doesn't!

It’s not supposed to make voting safer. I bet it’s disproportionately Democratic voters who were unable to vote, because I would bet it’s disproportionately Democrats whose ballots were flagged while Republican ballots went unchecked.

If you're going to vote, you need to prove who you are and not just show up and impersonate people OR we can stop doing firearms background checks b/c everyone is "honest".

Pick one and stick with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Texas must be far bluer* than we imagined for the GOP to be cheating like this.

* https://www.newsweek.com/texas-ag-says-trump-wouldve-lost-state-if-it-hadnt-blocked-mail-ballots-applications-being-1597909

Maybe, just maybe.... the ballots were rejected for good reason.

Please, do tell! What reason?

They were likely for Democrats. Can’t have that in the People’s Republic of Texas.

The reason....

"Based on what we have heard from county election officials, the vast majority of mail-in ballot rejections were due to voters who did not provide any ID information on their carrier envelope," Sam Taylor, assistant secretary of state for communications, said in a statement.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/16/1086908593/texas-mail-ballot-rejection-final-rates-harris-williamson-counties

So you have to put the ID information on the ballot AND on the envelope. Why? And it has to be the same identifying information you used to register to vote, perhaps decades ago. Do any of you remember whether you registered using your driver’s license number or using your social security number? I don’t. Both are fine but it has to be the one you used.
“Under Texas' new voting law, known as Senate Bill 1, voters have to provide a partial Social Security number or driver's license number on their mail ballot application — as well as on the return envelope. And the ID number they provide has to match what's on their voter registration record, which could be from decades ago.

Davis said this new requirement tripped up an unprecedented number of voters. He and his staff helped many of them fix their ballots, but some voters did not fix their ballot in time to be counted.”

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I spoke to an official in TX who said it was so confusing. You have to put one type of id in one place and another in another place. People, mostly older, didn't understand what to do. How does this make the voting process safer? It doesn't!

It’s not supposed to make voting safer. I bet it’s disproportionately Democratic voters who were unable to vote, because I would bet it’s disproportionately Democrats whose ballots were flagged while Republican ballots went unchecked.

If you're going to vote, you need to prove who you are and not just show up and impersonate people OR we can stop doing firearms background checks b/c everyone is "honest".

Pick one and stick with it.

You didn’t respond to what the pp said. The pp said it was probably disproportionately applied to Democratic voters and Republican voters. Which has nothing to do with your irrelevant right wing tirade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Texas must be far bluer* than we imagined for the GOP to be cheating like this.

* https://www.newsweek.com/texas-ag-says-trump-wouldve-lost-state-if-it-hadnt-blocked-mail-ballots-applications-being-1597909

Maybe, just maybe.... the ballots were rejected for good reason.

Please, do tell! What reason?

They were likely for Democrats. Can’t have that in the People’s Republic of Texas.

The reason....

"Based on what we have heard from county election officials, the vast majority of mail-in ballot rejections were due to voters who did not provide any ID information on their carrier envelope," Sam Taylor, assistant secretary of state for communications, said in a statement.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/16/1086908593/texas-mail-ballot-rejection-final-rates-harris-williamson-counties

So you have to put the ID information on the ballot AND on the envelope. Why? And it has to be the same identifying information you used to register to vote, perhaps decades ago. Do any of you remember whether you registered using your driver’s license number or using your social security number? I don’t. Both are fine but it has to be the one you used.
“Under Texas' new voting law, known as Senate Bill 1, voters have to provide a partial Social Security number or driver's license number on their mail ballot application — as well as on the return envelope. And the ID number they provide has to match what's on their voter registration record, which could be from decades ago.

Davis said this new requirement tripped up an unprecedented number of voters. He and his staff helped many of them fix their ballots, but some voters did not fix their ballot in time to be counted.”

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I spoke to an official in TX who said it was so confusing. You have to put one type of id in one place and another in another place. People, mostly older, didn't understand what to do. How does this make the voting process safer? It doesn't!

It’s not supposed to make voting safer. I bet it’s disproportionately Democratic voters who were unable to vote, because I would bet it’s disproportionately Democrats whose ballots were flagged while Republican ballots went unchecked.

If you're going to vote, you need to prove who you are and not just show up and impersonate people OR we can stop doing firearms background checks b/c everyone is "honest".

Pick one and stick with it.

Yup...the only case of voter fraud that have been documented have been on the right. It is almost like they are projecting their own crimes.

[Anonymous]

Simple process to have fair elections:

Registration closes 90 days prior to election.
Mail in voting starts 5 weeks before election and all ballots must be lost marked 2 weeks before election to allow for validation and counting of votes.
Mail in ballots are validated for completeness and a death match run as part of validation. Incomplete absentee ballots or those postmarked after death of voter are tossed.
Election Day polling hours 6AM to 9PM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would love to see data that show if there is a correlation between more restrictive laws being enacted and voter turnout.

(It is difficult to define “more restrictive” because, as many PPs have pointed out, some of the new restrictions in R states have been in place in D states. Maybe one way to break it down would be by specific restrictions: is there evidence that in states/counties with longer early voting we see higher voter turnout? If the intent of the laws is voter suppression, to what extent is it working?

I’m PP and decided to google some of this. I’m not claiming my 4 am googling is a comprehensive study, but:

Absentee/mail in voting doesn’t raise turnout: https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/vote-mail-had-surprisingly-little-effect-turnout-2020-new-study-shows

Early voting associated with lower turnout: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/09/23/study-early-voting-associated-with-lower-turnout/

The data I've seen seems to suggest that restrictions on voting increases voter participation. When Georgia introduced voting restrictions, it led to record turnout, especially among POCs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Simple process to have fair elections:

Registration closes 90 days prior to election.
Mail in voting starts 5 weeks before election and all ballots must be lost marked 2 weeks before election to allow for validation and counting of votes.
Mail in ballots are validated for completeness and a death match run as part of validation. Incomplete absentee ballots or those postmarked after death of voter are tossed.
Election Day polling hours 6AM to 9PM.

Add:

Election Day is a federal holiday
Voting locations are easily accessible and no more than X miles from home (i.e. MORE of them)
No unauthorized people within 500 yards of voting stations