FCPS comprehensive boundary review

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

It doesn't make sense to me either, but if they are really looking to move a whole elementary school out of WSHS, Hunt Valley is the only option. I think there are better ways to alleviate the "crowding" (which I'm not fully convinced of) at WSHS, but nonetheless, if a whole elementary is gonna go, it's gonna be HV.

You really aren't making any sense.

If you were arguing to move HV to South County or Keene Mill to Lewis, you might have credibility.

But arguing that Hunt Valley should be moved past 5 other WSHS zoned elementary schools all the way to Lewis completely destroys any argument you have.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

It doesn't make sense to me either, but if they are really looking to move a whole elementary school out of WSHS, Hunt Valley is the only option. I think there are better ways to alleviate the "crowding" (which I'm not fully convinced of) at WSHS, but nonetheless, if a whole elementary is gonna go, it's gonna be HV.

Move Bren Mar Park out of Twain/Holmes/Edison to Key/Lewis (it probably fits better at Annandale, but I believe they are already at capacity). This frees up space at Edison to account for the new neighborhoods they plan to build where the government center currently is located on Franconia and where the old Top Golf used to be. This doesn’t have to be done immediately since those projects haven’t broken ground yet, but it could easily happen when those projects get started.

Move some of the Hunt Valley neighborhoods south of the parkway to Newington Forest and South County. Put LLIV in at HV and Orange Hunt, and then send all of Sangster neighborhood to Lake Braddock, and the Keene Mill attendance island to White Oaks/Lake Braddock. Sangster would have to stay the AAP center for HV/OH, but with LLIV, fewer kids from outside the pyramid would elect to go there. Some rebalancing might have to occur in the elementaries in West Springfield after all this to balance out the capacities at the schools and make sure no one is too crowded, but they could all stay at WSHS, which is the closest school for the vast majority of West Springfield. And it gets some kids out of WSHS. I’m not buying that WSHS is bursting at the seams right now, but apparently the board is concerned about it.

This suggestion makes perfect sense.

They should fire the consultant and hire you.

[Anonymous]

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I find it interesting that there is one tiny street in Franklin Farm (Ashvale) that is its own school planning area. This is the one street zoned to Crossfield that goes to Franklin & Chantilly, too. What's up with that street?

SPA 3521 ? County has 27 residences on Ashvale. That street is split between Lees Corner and Crossfield! Maybe houses were built at different times?
I don't remember exactly, but I think one section may be part of Franklin Farm and the other is not and was built later. It is just as odd if you drive there as it looks on the map. It looks like one neighborhood.

I have no idea how it happened. Lee's Corner is much closer than Crossfield--but Crossfield is closer to other parts of Franklin Farm. The part of Franklin Farm on the other side of FFXCounty Pkwy goes to Oak Hill Elementary.

Franklin Farm goes to Oak Hill, Lees Corner, Navy, and Crossfield. It's a massive neighborhood. There part that is FARTHEST AWAY from Navy in that neighborhood is the part that goes to Navy. It's so weird.

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Franklin Farm goes to Oak Hill, Lees Corner, Navy, and Crossfield. It's a massive neighborhood. There part that is FARTHEST AWAY from Navy in that neighborhood is the part that goes to Navy. It's so weird.

I think some of this is "history." I'm not sure about the Lee's Corner part--it is possible that that section of Franklin Farm (I am just guessing) is part of Franklin Glen--which is across the parkway. The parkway was built AFTER Franklin Farm and Franklin Glen was built.

As for the Navy part, I think I heard this story a long time ago from an original resident of Franklin Farm. Before Chantilly Highlands was built, Oak Hill Elementary membership was Franklin Farm. (Again, this was before the parkway was built.) After Chantilly Highlands was built, the school was overcrowded. Franklin Farm kids across the parkway were sent to Crossfield. Franklin Farm on Oak Hill side remains at Oak Hill. The section that goes to Navy complained and stayed at Oak Hill. Then, later, they were sent to Navy because Oak Hill was full. I've no idea why they were not sent to Crossfield. Maybe, it was overcrowded at that time. The Oak Hill boundary is almost entirely walkers--some are bused because of Franklin Farm RD.

A good portion of the Navy part of Franklin Farm is adjacent to Thompson Rd which goes by Navy. West Ox by Navy was only two lanes in those days.

And, I may be mistaken on this--remember, these neighborhoods were all built and mushroomed very quickly. There were tons of school aged children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

It doesn't make sense to me either, but if they are really looking to move a whole elementary school out of WSHS, Hunt Valley is the only option. I think there are better ways to alleviate the "crowding" (which I'm not fully convinced of) at WSHS, but nonetheless, if a whole elementary is gonna go, it's gonna be HV.

You really aren't making any sense.

If you were arguing to move HV to South County or Keene Mill to Lewis, you might have credibility.

But arguing that Hunt Valley should be moved past 5 other WSHS zoned elementary schools all the way to Lewis completely destroys any argument you have.

Makes perfect sense. The farthest school from WSHS should move to Lewis . How does that not make sense. We need more kids at Lewis, not South County. Stop with this argument.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

Most of it is actually closer to WSHS than Daventry and a lot of Keene Mill

Nope. They won’t send kids that walk to Irving or the only AAP center (for now).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

It doesn't make sense to me either, but if they are really looking to move a whole elementary school out of WSHS, Hunt Valley is the only option. I think there are better ways to alleviate the "crowding" (which I'm not fully convinced of) at WSHS, but nonetheless, if a whole elementary is gonna go, it's gonna be HV.

Move Bren Mar Park out of Twain/Holmes/Edison to Key/Lewis (it probably fits better at Annandale, but I believe they are already at capacity). This frees up space at Edison to account for the new neighborhoods they plan to build where the government center currently is located on Franconia and where the old Top Golf used to be. This doesn’t have to be done immediately since those projects haven’t broken ground yet, but it could easily happen when those projects get started.

Move some of the Hunt Valley neighborhoods south of the parkway to Newington Forest and South County. Put LLIV in at HV and Orange Hunt, and then send all of Sangster neighborhood to Lake Braddock, and the Keene Mill attendance island to White Oaks/Lake Braddock. Sangster would have to stay the AAP center for HV/OH, but with LLIV, fewer kids from outside the pyramid would elect to go there. Some rebalancing might have to occur in the elementaries in West Springfield after all this to balance out the capacities at the schools and make sure no one is too crowded, but they could all stay at WSHS, which is the closest school for the vast majority of West Springfield. And it gets some kids out of WSHS. I’m not buying that WSHS is bursting at the seams right now, but apparently the board is concerned about it.

This suggestion makes perfect sense.

They should fire the consultant and hire you.

So the answer is to move another poor elementary school to Lewis???

[Anonymous]

The answer is to leave things alone and teach the kids. If they spent half the time they are spending on the boundary study on instruction, things might improve.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

It doesn't make sense to me either, but if they are really looking to move a whole elementary school out of WSHS, Hunt Valley is the only option. I think there are better ways to alleviate the "crowding" (which I'm not fully convinced of) at WSHS, but nonetheless, if a whole elementary is gonna go, it's gonna be HV.

Move Bren Mar Park out of Twain/Holmes/Edison to Key/Lewis (it probably fits better at Annandale, but I believe they are already at capacity). This frees up space at Edison to account for the new neighborhoods they plan to build where the government center currently is located on Franconia and where the old Top Golf used to be. This doesn’t have to be done immediately since those projects haven’t broken ground yet, but it could easily happen when those projects get started.

Move some of the Hunt Valley neighborhoods south of the parkway to Newington Forest and South County. Put LLIV in at HV and Orange Hunt, and then send all of Sangster neighborhood to Lake Braddock, and the Keene Mill attendance island to White Oaks/Lake Braddock. Sangster would have to stay the AAP center for HV/OH, but with LLIV, fewer kids from outside the pyramid would elect to go there. Some rebalancing might have to occur in the elementaries in West Springfield after all this to balance out the capacities at the schools and make sure no one is too crowded, but they could all stay at WSHS, which is the closest school for the vast majority of West Springfield. And it gets some kids out of WSHS. I’m not buying that WSHS is bursting at the seams right now, but apparently the board is concerned about it.

This suggestion makes perfect sense.

They should fire the consultant and hire you.

So the answer is to move another poor elementary school to Lewis???

Of course. They always want to consolidate the poors into a few schools. That is exactly how we got here now though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

It doesn't make sense to me either, but if they are really looking to move a whole elementary school out of WSHS, Hunt Valley is the only option. I think there are better ways to alleviate the "crowding" (which I'm not fully convinced of) at WSHS, but nonetheless, if a whole elementary is gonna go, it's gonna be HV.

Move Bren Mar Park out of Twain/Holmes/Edison to Key/Lewis (it probably fits better at Annandale, but I believe they are already at capacity). This frees up space at Edison to account for the new neighborhoods they plan to build where the government center currently is located on Franconia and where the old Top Golf used to be. This doesn’t have to be done immediately since those projects haven’t broken ground yet, but it could easily happen when those projects get started.

Move some of the Hunt Valley neighborhoods south of the parkway to Newington Forest and South County. Put LLIV in at HV and Orange Hunt, and then send all of Sangster neighborhood to Lake Braddock, and the Keene Mill attendance island to White Oaks/Lake Braddock. Sangster would have to stay the AAP center for HV/OH, but with LLIV, fewer kids from outside the pyramid would elect to go there. Some rebalancing might have to occur in the elementaries in West Springfield after all this to balance out the capacities at the schools and make sure no one is too crowded, but they could all stay at WSHS, which is the closest school for the vast majority of West Springfield. And it gets some kids out of WSHS. I’m not buying that WSHS is bursting at the seams right now, but apparently the board is concerned about it.

This suggestion makes perfect sense.

They should fire the consultant and hire you.

So the answer is to move another poor elementary school to Lewis???

Of course. They always want to consolidate the poors into a few schools. That is exactly how we got here now though.

No. That is not how we got here. We got here because of changes in the communities. This happens over time. And, then communities can come back--without taking kids from other communities. "Start by making the school more attractive. Spending time and money on renaming was not helpful. Adding a social justice academy is not helpful. What would be helpful? Preparing the kids for the future by making them employable in good jobs. That comes from teaching them basic skills for starters and then encouraging them to reach higher.

[Anonymous]

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Franklin Farm goes to Oak Hill, Lees Corner, Navy, and Crossfield. It's a massive neighborhood. There part that is FARTHEST AWAY from Navy in that neighborhood is the part that goes to Navy. It's so weird.

I think some of this is "history." I'm not sure about the Lee's Corner part--it is possible that that section of Franklin Farm (I am just guessing) is part of Franklin Glen--which is across the parkway. The parkway was built AFTER Franklin Farm and Franklin Glen was built.

As for the Navy part, I think I heard this story a long time ago from an original resident of Franklin Farm. Before Chantilly Highlands was built, Oak Hill Elementary membership was Franklin Farm. (Again, this was before the parkway was built.) After Chantilly Highlands was built, the school was overcrowded. Franklin Farm kids across the parkway were sent to Crossfield. Franklin Farm on Oak Hill side remains at Oak Hill. The section that goes to Navy complained and stayed at Oak Hill. Then, later, they were sent to Navy because Oak Hill was full. I've no idea why they were not sent to Crossfield. Maybe, it was overcrowded at that time. The Oak Hill boundary is almost entirely walkers--some are bused because of Franklin Farm RD.

A good portion of the Navy part of Franklin Farm is adjacent to Thompson Rd which goes by Navy. West Ox by Navy was only two lanes in those days.

And, I may be mistaken on this--remember, these neighborhoods were all built and mushroomed very quickly. There were tons of school aged children.

There is a lot of misinformation in this response.

1. There are parts of Chantilly Highlands that were built in the late 1970s. Franklin Farm was built in 1982-1985. Therefore, your statement about Franklin Farm being the population of Oak Hill until Chantilly Highlands was built doesn't make sense. Chantilly Highlands was finished after Franklin Farm, but it existed quite a while ago!

2. The Navy section of Franklin Farm is not at all adjacent to Thompson Road. The Navy section of Franklin Farm is off Nestlewood. The part of Franklin Farm that is adjacent to Thompson Road is off Tuckaway, and those kids go to Crossfield.

3. The statement about staying at Oak Hill vs going to Crossfield is bizarre. I went to Crossfield the year it opened (1988), and I had friends who lived off Tuckaway, Dower House, and Willow Glen. We all went to Crossfield and then Franklin and then Oakton.

4. Oak Hill has lots of buses, and their boundaries are not mostly walkers! For example, the kids who live in Emerald Chase and Bradley Farms are certainly not going to walk to Oak Hill.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

It doesn't make sense to me either, but if they are really looking to move a whole elementary school out of WSHS, Hunt Valley is the only option. I think there are better ways to alleviate the "crowding" (which I'm not fully convinced of) at WSHS, but nonetheless, if a whole elementary is gonna go, it's gonna be HV.

Move Bren Mar Park out of Twain/Holmes/Edison to Key/Lewis (it probably fits better at Annandale, but I believe they are already at capacity). This frees up space at Edison to account for the new neighborhoods they plan to build where the government center currently is located on Franconia and where the old Top Golf used to be. This doesn’t have to be done immediately since those projects haven’t broken ground yet, but it could easily happen when those projects get started.

Move some of the Hunt Valley neighborhoods south of the parkway to Newington Forest and South County. Put LLIV in at HV and Orange Hunt, and then send all of Sangster neighborhood to Lake Braddock, and the Keene Mill attendance island to White Oaks/Lake Braddock. Sangster would have to stay the AAP center for HV/OH, but with LLIV, fewer kids from outside the pyramid would elect to go there. Some rebalancing might have to occur in the elementaries in West Springfield after all this to balance out the capacities at the schools and make sure no one is too crowded, but they could all stay at WSHS, which is the closest school for the vast majority of West Springfield. And it gets some kids out of WSHS. I’m not buying that WSHS is bursting at the seams right now, but apparently the board is concerned about it.

This suggestion makes perfect sense.

They should fire the consultant and hire you.

So the answer is to move another poor elementary school to Lewis???

Of course. They always want to consolidate the poors into a few schools. That is exactly how we got here now though.

No. That is not how we got here. We got here because of changes in the communities. This happens over time. And, then communities can come back--without taking kids from other communities. "Start by making the school more attractive. Spending time and money on renaming was not helpful. Adding a social justice academy is not helpful. What would be helpful? Preparing the kids for the future by making them employable in good jobs. That comes from teaching them basic skills for starters and then encouraging them to reach higher.

Well, you forgot uncontrolled immigration. And the fact that the last couple of times they moved students out of Lee/Lewis they took wealthier neighborhoods and moved them to other schools, particularly West Springfield.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

It doesn't make sense to me either, but if they are really looking to move a whole elementary school out of WSHS, Hunt Valley is the only option. I think there are better ways to alleviate the "crowding" (which I'm not fully convinced of) at WSHS, but nonetheless, if a whole elementary is gonna go, it's gonna be HV.

Move Bren Mar Park out of Twain/Holmes/Edison to Key/Lewis (it probably fits better at Annandale, but I believe they are already at capacity). This frees up space at Edison to account for the new neighborhoods they plan to build where the government center currently is located on Franconia and where the old Top Golf used to be. This doesn’t have to be done immediately since those projects haven’t broken ground yet, but it could easily happen when those projects get started.

Move some of the Hunt Valley neighborhoods south of the parkway to Newington Forest and South County. Put LLIV in at HV and Orange Hunt, and then send all of Sangster neighborhood to Lake Braddock, and the Keene Mill attendance island to White Oaks/Lake Braddock. Sangster would have to stay the AAP center for HV/OH, but with LLIV, fewer kids from outside the pyramid would elect to go there. Some rebalancing might have to occur in the elementaries in West Springfield after all this to balance out the capacities at the schools and make sure no one is too crowded, but they could all stay at WSHS, which is the closest school for the vast majority of West Springfield. And it gets some kids out of WSHS. I’m not buying that WSHS is bursting at the seams right now, but apparently the board is concerned about it.

This suggestion makes perfect sense.

They should fire the consultant and hire you.

So the answer is to move another poor elementary school to Lewis???

Of course. They always want to consolidate the poors into a few schools. That is exactly how we got here now though.

No. That is not how we got here. We got here because of changes in the communities. This happens over time. And, then communities can come back--without taking kids from other communities. "Start by making the school more attractive. Spending time and money on renaming was not helpful. Adding a social justice academy is not helpful. What would be helpful? Preparing the kids for the future by making them employable in good jobs. That comes from teaching them basic skills for starters and then encouraging them to reach higher.

There was nothing wrong with renaming schools that were named after Confederate generals who fought to keep Black people enslaved. It simply wasn't a cure-all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The answer is to leave things alone and teach the kids. If they spent half the time they are spending on the boundary study on instruction, things might improve.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The “leaked” map creates even more high school attendance islands. Moving Waples Mill severs Oakton’s boundaries to Crossfield/Navy and Oakview to Robinson cuts off Woodson from Fairfax Villa. Also, why move Fairhill from newly expanded Falls Church HS (which also would be an attendance island to Fairfax HS?)

They’d need to drastically shift elementary school boundaries for any of this to make sense.

Hunt Valley is the farthest WSHS school from Lewis.

This leaked map just does not make sense.

It's also the farthest from WSHS.....

It doesn't make sense to me either, but if they are really looking to move a whole elementary school out of WSHS, Hunt Valley is the only option. I think there are better ways to alleviate the "crowding" (which I'm not fully convinced of) at WSHS, but nonetheless, if a whole elementary is gonna go, it's gonna be HV.

You really aren't making any sense.

If you were arguing to move HV to South County or Keene Mill to Lewis, you might have credibility.

But arguing that Hunt Valley should be moved past 5 other WSHS zoned elementary schools all the way to Lewis completely destroys any argument you have.

Makes perfect sense. The farthest school from WSHS should move to Lewis . How does that not make sense. We need more kids at Lewis, not South County. Stop with this argument.

Complete BS. South County is under capacity by essentially the same percentage as Lewis, and since SCHS has a higher capacity, that is more seats. WSHS is supposedly overcrowded, so move HVES to next closest under capacity school, which is SCHS. Why in the world are you so obsessed with moving HV kids to a school that is further away?!