Gaza war and College Campus Protests

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's hard to have any sympathy for Hamas and their supporters after the attack in New Orleans. Islamic extremists like those that support Hamas and ISIS are a danger to all civilization. It's baffling why so many progressives are such supporters of Islamic extremists like Hamas. I hope the FBI investigates every protester spray painting Globalize the Intifada and other violent pro-Palestinian slogans. They are radicalized and dangerous.

But the babies the IDF snipes are not. Most of the victims are innocent and do not deserve to be murdered.

They are collateral damage.

Casualties of war.

A war hamas started.

FAFO.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing is going to change until Hamas is wiped out. That's the the undeniable and certain reality. The IDF will win in the end; Hamas will eventually either formally surrender or become effectively completely impotent, and that will be that. Same end result as in every single other conflict since the IDF came into being 77 years ago.

All the sympathizer outrage here would be better channeled in calling for Hamas' prompt surrender and for the release of the hostages, unless of course you prefer higher body counts. It seems it's easier to decry the IDF's effectiveness and to whine that Israel is illegitimate than it is to criticize Hamas and their supporters, not to mention their Iranian puppet masters.

There was a time when your mischaracterizations of those opposed to Israel’s atrocities and your hasbara boogeyman rhetoric were taken seriously by many others. No longer.

It matters not in the least whether or not you "take it seriously"; facts are facts. The IDF will win as it always has, more civilians will die as Hamas and its supporters wage an utterly futile fight with an infinitely superior and relentlessly determined opponent. Surrender or die is not hyperbole in this case, any more than it has been in the last 77 years.

Ah, I don’t know - pick a lane already.

Most of your fellow Zionist goons shriek that you’re at daily risk of annihilation at the hands of a bunch of desert dwellers.

Infinitely superior and relentlessly determined … but also incapable of fending off men with sticks and stones without the vast advantage of tens of billions in armaments and welfare every year from Uncle Sam?

Sounds like you left something out - naturally soft without being propped up.

Seems like the IDF is doing quite well relative to the opposition.

lol the Mayberry police department for could a better job. The IDF have the best artillery, tanks and air force the US can “buy” for them and Hamas(by the IDF own’s account) Hamas operates openly and controls Gaza.

I suppose all those images of Gaza as a barren wasteland are photoshopped, then? Like rats, the enemy now lives underground, surrounded by hostages, which complicates their eradication, just as the civilian human shields and military use of civilian infrastructure likes schools, mosques, and hospitals make targeting more challenging. But that's only a challenge for the civilized side; Hamas couldn't care less about civilian casualties, they revel in them as good propaganda, swallowed whole by gullible sympathizers whose attention is directed to phony statistics put out by the Gazan Health Ministry to engender more tears from the soft-hearted. Still, in time, the job will be completed and yet another experiment in Palestinian adventurism will be consigned to the trash heap of history like all the others which preceded it.

STOP

Numerous legitimate sources have validated the numbers of lives lost in Gaza. Diminishing these numbers makes you no better than Alex Jones attacking the Sandy Hook families.

No sources for those #s are unbiased or objective or reliable. They are put out there for the gullible, to engender sympathy. They also are notably silent on #s of terrorists eliminated, which should be a clue that the numbers which are released are pure propaganda with no factual underpinning.

Thank you for your denialist propaganda. The published numbers in reality represent a small fraction of those murdered by Israel during this campaign. There are thousands more dead under the rubble, and the numbers killed in direct strikes are a small percentage of those Israel has murdered.

The reason Yoav Gallant is an international fugitive from justice is because he said the quiet parts out loud in this genocide. He demanded that Israel should deny "human animals" (i.e., Palestinian people) the basic necessities of life: electricity, food, water, and fuel. This part of the genocide has been more deadly than the bombings. Palestinian babies are dying of hypothermia. People are starving. Human Rights Watch has concluded that Israel is committing genocide by denying the Palestinians clean water and destroying their water infrastructure. Almost everyone needing regular life-saving medication (including some of the hostages) has died. People needing dialysis and other critical but normally routine interventions have died. Some of the disappeared have been raped or otherwise brutalized to death in Israeli torture camps (such as Sde Teiman).

This genocide will be commemorated through art and literature for decades to come. Israel is an international pariah state, and its reputation will never recover.

Israel has given up trying to get popular with the cool kids at the UN table.
They are going to punch back.
They are going to keep punching until Hamas is destroyed or surrenders.
Nothing that predates 10/7 justifies 10/7.
10/7 is a just cause of war.

This is war
A war hamas started.
And it will not end until Hamas unconditionally surrenders.

FAFO.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing is going to change until Hamas is wiped out. That's the the undeniable and certain reality. The IDF will win in the end; Hamas will eventually either formally surrender or become effectively completely impotent, and that will be that. Same end result as in every single other conflict since the IDF came into being 77 years ago.

All the sympathizer outrage here would be better channeled in calling for Hamas' prompt surrender and for the release of the hostages, unless of course you prefer higher body counts. It seems it's easier to decry the IDF's effectiveness and to whine that Israel is illegitimate than it is to criticize Hamas and their supporters, not to mention their Iranian puppet masters.

There was a time when your mischaracterizations of those opposed to Israel’s atrocities and your hasbara boogeyman rhetoric were taken seriously by many others. No longer.

It matters not in the least whether or not you "take it seriously"; facts are facts. The IDF will win as it always has, more civilians will die as Hamas and its supporters wage an utterly futile fight with an infinitely superior and relentlessly determined opponent. Surrender or die is not hyperbole in this case, any more than it has been in the last 77 years.

Ah, I don’t know - pick a lane already.

Most of your fellow Zionist goons shriek that you’re at daily risk of annihilation at the hands of a bunch of desert dwellers.

Infinitely superior and relentlessly determined … but also incapable of fending off men with sticks and stones without the vast advantage of tens of billions in armaments and welfare every year from Uncle Sam?

Sounds like you left something out - naturally soft without being propped up.

Seems like the IDF is doing quite well relative to the opposition.

lol the Mayberry police department for could a better job. The IDF have the best artillery, tanks and air force the US can “buy” for them and Hamas(by the IDF own’s account) Hamas operates openly and controls Gaza.

I suppose all those images of Gaza as a barren wasteland are photoshopped, then? Like rats, the enemy now lives underground, surrounded by hostages, which complicates their eradication, just as the civilian human shields and military use of civilian infrastructure likes schools, mosques, and hospitals make targeting more challenging. But that's only a challenge for the civilized side; Hamas couldn't care less about civilian casualties, they revel in them as good propaganda, swallowed whole by gullible sympathizers whose attention is directed to phony statistics put out by the Gazan Health Ministry to engender more tears from the soft-hearted. Still, in time, the job will be completed and yet another experiment in Palestinian adventurism will be consigned to the trash heap of history like all the others which preceded it.

STOP

Numerous legitimate sources have validated the numbers of lives lost in Gaza. Diminishing these numbers makes you no better than Alex Jones attacking the Sandy Hook families.

No sources for those #s are unbiased or objective or reliable. They are put out there for the gullible, to engender sympathy. They also are notably silent on #s of terrorists eliminated, which should be a clue that the numbers which are released are pure propaganda with no factual underpinning.

Let’s just say you are correct and put numbers aside. My friend from Lebanon shared with me a book of poems written by children in Gaza that her Palestinian’s friend mother (who was a teacher) sent her from students at her school (which the friend subsequently self published). Heart breaking stories from kids ages 5-12 documenting the loss of their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, friends, and limbs. How they miss school, their homes, freedom to play safely. How they are scared, cold and hungry.

This is definitely not propaganda.

Human children are actively suffering.

My moral code doesn’t allow me to brush this aside. And I am horrified by those who all so easily dehumanize and reflexively point to 10/7 being the excuse for the horrors that Israel - aided by US military aid - is actively promoting.

Over 1000 Israeli civilians were killed or kidnapped on 10/7 and that started a war.

The Japanese killed 2000 service members at pearl harbor, and that started a war.
We proceeded to kill about 2 million Japanese before they unconditionally surrendered.

This is war.
A war hamas started.
It can stop as soon as Hamas unconditionally surrenders.

If you think Israel is a lost cause and hamas is so great why are you asking israel to stop the war iunstead of asking hamas to stop the war?
We know why. Because Hamas is a terrorist organization that cannot be reasoned with. And you want Israel to make peace with them.

This doesn't stop until Hamas is destroyed.
Nobody can stop israel but israel.
And when this is done, nobody will remember this even happened in 20 years when we will all the protesters will go back to throwing tomato soup at artwork and calling everyone racist.

FAFO.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing is going to change until Hamas is wiped out. That's the the undeniable and certain reality. The IDF will win in the end; Hamas will eventually either formally surrender or become effectively completely impotent, and that will be that. Same end result as in every single other conflict since the IDF came into being 77 years ago.

All the sympathizer outrage here would be better channeled in calling for Hamas' prompt surrender and for the release of the hostages, unless of course you prefer higher body counts. It seems it's easier to decry the IDF's effectiveness and to whine that Israel is illegitimate than it is to criticize Hamas and their supporters, not to mention their Iranian puppet masters.

There was a time when your mischaracterizations of those opposed to Israel’s atrocities and your hasbara boogeyman rhetoric were taken seriously by many others. No longer.

It matters not in the least whether or not you "take it seriously"; facts are facts. The IDF will win as it always has, more civilians will die as Hamas and its supporters wage an utterly futile fight with an infinitely superior and relentlessly determined opponent. Surrender or die is not hyperbole in this case, any more than it has been in the last 77 years.

Ah, I don’t know - pick a lane already.

Most of your fellow Zionist goons shriek that you’re at daily risk of annihilation at the hands of a bunch of desert dwellers.

Infinitely superior and relentlessly determined … but also incapable of fending off men with sticks and stones without the vast advantage of tens of billions in armaments and welfare every year from Uncle Sam?

Sounds like you left something out - naturally soft without being propped up.

Seems like the IDF is doing quite well relative to the opposition.

lol the Mayberry police department for could a better job. The IDF have the best artillery, tanks and air force the US can “buy” for them and Hamas(by the IDF own’s account) Hamas operates openly and controls Gaza.

I suppose all those images of Gaza as a barren wasteland are photoshopped, then? Like rats, the enemy now lives underground, surrounded by hostages, which complicates their eradication, just as the civilian human shields and military use of civilian infrastructure likes schools, mosques, and hospitals make targeting more challenging. But that's only a challenge for the civilized side; Hamas couldn't care less about civilian casualties, they revel in them as good propaganda, swallowed whole by gullible sympathizers whose attention is directed to phony statistics put out by the Gazan Health Ministry to engender more tears from the soft-hearted. Still, in time, the job will be completed and yet another experiment in Palestinian adventurism will be consigned to the trash heap of history like all the others which preceded it.

STOP

Numerous legitimate sources have validated the numbers of lives lost in Gaza. Diminishing these numbers makes you no better than Alex Jones attacking the Sandy Hook families.

No sources for those #s are unbiased or objective or reliable. They are put out there for the gullible, to engender sympathy. They also are notably silent on #s of terrorists eliminated, which should be a clue that the numbers which are released are pure propaganda with no factual underpinning.

Let’s just say you are correct and put numbers aside. My friend from Lebanon shared with me a book of poems written by children in Gaza that her Palestinian’s friend mother (who was a teacher) sent her from students at her school (which the friend subsequently self published). Heart breaking stories from kids ages 5-12 documenting the loss of their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, friends, and limbs. How they miss school, their homes, freedom to play safely. How they are scared, cold and hungry.

This is definitely not propaganda.

Human children are actively suffering.

My moral code doesn’t allow me to brush this aside. And I am horrified by those who all so easily dehumanize and reflexively point to 10/7 being the excuse for the horrors that Israel - aided by US military aid - is actively promoting.

All that has to happen is for terror to stop. Every sad thing happening to the Palestinians is self-inflicted, and has been for 77 years. If there were no terrorists, there'd be no repercussions for terrorist actions. It's not possible to rationally condemn Israel for working to eliminate the threats it faces. No threats = no Israeli response, but for 77 years there have only been threats, invasions, and terror, all precipitated by the Arabs and all defeated by the Israelis. Events occurring are simply more of the same - Hamas attacks, Israel responds. No Hamas attack and there would have been no Israeli response. Touching poems by children don't change that, the end of terror can change it.

Cool story, bro!

Now do the West Bank! Tell us all about how your philosophy works there!

You can criticize israel for letting the settlers settle the west bank but we aren't talking about the west bank,.
We are talking about the war Israel is waging on Hamas
A war that Hamas started.

FAFO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's hard to have any sympathy for Hamas and their supporters after the attack in New Orleans. Islamic extremists like those that support Hamas and ISIS are a danger to all civilization. It's baffling why so many progressives are such supporters of Islamic extremists like Hamas. I hope the FBI investigates every protester spray painting Globalize the Intifada and other violent pro-Palestinian slogans. They are radicalized and dangerous.

But the babies the IDF snipes are not. Most of the victims are innocent and do not deserve to be murdered.

They are collateral damage.

Casualties of war.

A war hamas started.

FAFO.

Hamas didn't start the war. No one fighting today started the war.

[Anonymous]

As Kirby stated, Hamas started this, and Hamas can end it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I completely forgot that Zionists protested to have the right of IDF to rape Palestinians so this type of behavior of sexually assaulting Palestinians is no surprise

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6581/Kamal-Adwan-Hospital-attack:-harrowing-testimonies-of-field-executions,-sexual-harassment-by-the-Israeli-army-in-northern-Gaza

They must be making their god so proud. After all...this is the reason they want this land, no? Because their fairytale tells them that some god promised it to them? And they feel so compelled to worship this god that they rape women? Disgusting

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No talk of Austin TX protests?

Texas is very Christian and believes the re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty in the Holy Land is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. When the second Jesus arrives the Jews will witnessing his majestic display of power, acknowledge Messiah Jesus and once again bask in the blessings of God or go to hell.

This is the reason evangelical christian support of Israel and though declining in number they make up make up about 14% of the vote down from 24% a few years ago. They are concentrated in the southern red states. The under 35 EC crowd support for Israel has crashes even in this group. The decline of EC and the lack of support below 35 has Israel concerned.

The “Jews” make up 2% of the population with the largest percentage in New York 9%, New Jersey 6% and Maryland 3%. Safe democratic states even if every person of Jewish identity vote republican in would not make an impact in these states.

Good summary and should be copied and pasted into the religion thread about why atheists won't "leave christianity alone". It's a death cult

[Anonymous]

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Lol at never again

I guess it's ok as long as the chosen people aren't the ones in the graves?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

There are also near-daily protests by Israelis in the streets against Netanyahu's government (before and after 10/7). There are deep divisions in Israeli politics, which we should all understand, because we see it in the US too. When Trump or one of his appointees said something stupid, half the country was rightly horrified. Your example would be like holding up: any Trump rally, any quote from MTG, and the Charlottesville marchers, and then saying the US doesn't have the right to exist, because those people are all terrible.

Not PP but the problem is that these Israeli protesters are not stopping the daily killing, torturing, dismemberment, starvation, hostage taking. I haven’t seen anyone is calling in question Israel’s right to resist but rather the Palestinians right to live.

Really, what is the end game at this point? How can Palestinians hold nothing but hate of Israel in their hearts and souls at this point. I mean if you were in their shoes what would you be thinking and feeling.

No, you don’t understand.

The guy who stole their house, who killed their family in cold blood, and who ran tank treads over their dog, over and over again to torment them, is the same guy who demands that they air their grievances peacefully - or else die.

The world is dealing with pure evil right now. It’s not the Russians. It’s not the Chinese. It’s not Iran or North Korea.

It’s radical extremism, embodied today by the radical, extremist strain of Zionism. This isn’t about the dream for a Jewish homeland. That was the ruse.

Today, Zionism is the threat to humanity that will require the world to sit up and take action. Time will tell whether we do.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:The antisemitism that Jews are being forced to contend with is mind boggling.

Where?

Right here, for one example.

It is NOT antisemitism to speak out against something a jewish person is doing that you don't like. I'm sick of that crap already.

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Lol at never again

I guess it's ok as long as the chosen people aren't the ones in the graves?

The difference is for the Israelis it will never happen again, no matter what it takes, no matter the animal attacks of similarly depraved Palestinians seeking to redress 77-year old grievances. Peace is there for them, but they won't accept it except on their terms, which means Israel out of the picture. Not gonna happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing is going to change until Hamas is wiped out. That's the the undeniable and certain reality. The IDF will win in the end; Hamas will eventually either formally surrender or become effectively completely impotent, and that will be that. Same end result as in every single other conflict since the IDF came into being 77 years ago.

All the sympathizer outrage here would be better channeled in calling for Hamas' prompt surrender and for the release of the hostages, unless of course you prefer higher body counts. It seems it's easier to decry the IDF's effectiveness and to whine that Israel is illegitimate than it is to criticize Hamas and their supporters, not to mention their Iranian puppet masters.

There was a time when your mischaracterizations of those opposed to Israel’s atrocities and your hasbara boogeyman rhetoric were taken seriously by many others. No longer.

It matters not in the least whether or not you "take it seriously"; facts are facts. The IDF will win as it always has, more civilians will die as Hamas and its supporters wage an utterly futile fight with an infinitely superior and relentlessly determined opponent. Surrender or die is not hyperbole in this case, any more than it has been in the last 77 years.

Ah, I don’t know - pick a lane already.

Most of your fellow Zionist goons shriek that you’re at daily risk of annihilation at the hands of a bunch of desert dwellers.

Infinitely superior and relentlessly determined … but also incapable of fending off men with sticks and stones without the vast advantage of tens of billions in armaments and welfare every year from Uncle Sam?

Sounds like you left something out - naturally soft without being propped up.

Seems like the IDF is doing quite well relative to the opposition.

lol the Mayberry police department for could a better job. The IDF have the best artillery, tanks and air force the US can “buy” for them and Hamas(by the IDF own’s account) Hamas operates openly and controls Gaza.

I suppose all those images of Gaza as a barren wasteland are photoshopped, then? Like rats, the enemy now lives underground, surrounded by hostages, which complicates their eradication, just as the civilian human shields and military use of civilian infrastructure likes schools, mosques, and hospitals make targeting more challenging. But that's only a challenge for the civilized side; Hamas couldn't care less about civilian casualties, they revel in them as good propaganda, swallowed whole by gullible sympathizers whose attention is directed to phony statistics put out by the Gazan Health Ministry to engender more tears from the soft-hearted. Still, in time, the job will be completed and yet another experiment in Palestinian adventurism will be consigned to the trash heap of history like all the others which preceded it.

STOP

Numerous legitimate sources have validated the numbers of lives lost in Gaza. Diminishing these numbers makes you no better than Alex Jones attacking the Sandy Hook families.

No sources for those #s are unbiased or objective or reliable. They are put out there for the gullible, to engender sympathy. They also are notably silent on #s of terrorists eliminated, which should be a clue that the numbers which are released are pure propaganda with no factual underpinning.

Let’s just say you are correct and put numbers aside. My friend from Lebanon shared with me a book of poems written by children in Gaza that her Palestinian’s friend mother (who was a teacher) sent her from students at her school (which the friend subsequently self published). Heart breaking stories from kids ages 5-12 documenting the loss of their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, friends, and limbs. How they miss school, their homes, freedom to play safely. How they are scared, cold and hungry.

This is definitely not propaganda.

Human children are actively suffering.

My moral code doesn’t allow me to brush this aside. And I am horrified by those who all so easily dehumanize and reflexively point to 10/7 being the excuse for the horrors that Israel - aided by US military aid - is actively promoting.

Over 1000 Israeli civilians were killed or kidnapped on 10/7 and that started a war.

The Japanese killed 2000 service members at pearl harbor, and that started a war.
We proceeded to kill about 2 million Japanese before they unconditionally surrendered.

This is war.
A war hamas started.
It can stop as soon as Hamas unconditionally surrenders.

If you think Israel is a lost cause and hamas is so great why are you asking israel to stop the war iunstead of asking hamas to stop the war?
We know why. Because Hamas is a terrorist organization that cannot be reasoned with. And you want Israel to make peace with them.

This doesn't stop until Hamas is destroyed.
Nobody can stop israel but israel.
And when this is done, nobody will remember this even happened in 20 years when we will all the protesters will go back to throwing tomato soup at artwork and calling everyone racist.

FAFO.

"It can stop as soon as Hamas unconditionally surrenders." Please show me where Israel has actually offered this and what their plan to restoring / rebuilding from all the damage they caused?

Also, the whole FAFO phrase is despicable. How is this attitude any different from supporting suicide bombers of the 90s? I am sure that was their attitude too.

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And meanwhile, Israel has already broken the ceasefire in Lebanon "Israeli forces set fire to homes in the southern village of Hula".

[Anonymous]

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Lol at never again

I guess it's ok as long as the chosen people aren't the ones in the graves?

The difference is for the Israelis it will never happen again, no matter what it takes, no matter the animal attacks of similarly depraved Palestinians seeking to redress 77-year old grievances. Peace is there for them, but they won't accept it except on their terms, which means Israel out of the picture. Not gonna happen.

Animal attacks? You think Palestinians are animals, expected behavior of a Zionist folks.