Freeloading swim team parents suck

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Anonymous wrote:Never ceases to amaze me how adults continue to find ways to ruin kids activities in the pursuit of “success”. Congratulations on taking the fun out of literally everything.

Do tell what job is ruining summer swim.

Because the adults (yes that includes the league) have created this bureaucracy around what should be a pretty simple and fun competition and made it such that the only kids who can be involved in it are those kids and families who are willing to sacrifice everything at the altar of the swim team. As previous posters have said, this isn’t the olympics. This isn’t just sports, I’m hard pressed to come up with a single kids activity that parents haven’t organized the joy out of.

Which jobs can you do away with an run a valid meet?

Multiple posters have pointed it out but you all keep coming back with “it’s not valid” - they are 10 years old - nothing they do is valid. You must have 3 timers because how will Larlo make all stars if there’s a glitch with the timing on summer swim and if he doesn’t make all stars then he won’t get into Stanford and he’ll be a sign spinner on Rockville Pike. You’d be amazed at how much fun kids have when the adults get out of the way. Summer swim should be the fun swim. You are not alone in this. Check out a pinewood derby with the Scouts one time to also see how grown ups ruin kids stuff. It doesn’t HAVE to be the way it is. You all choose to make it this way either because you are overly invested in your kids, have no other way to make friends or really think you can create someone great through sheer force of will. Grey athletes are born not built.

NVsL has a full book on rules. The rules are based on USA swimming rules and the board’s rules. They can’t just change them. These meets are USA sanctioned meets. Again, this is soooo simple. If you don’t like it, don’t do it.

[Anonymous]

Great not grey ^

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Never ceases to amaze me how adults continue to find ways to ruin kids activities in the pursuit of “success”. Congratulations on taking the fun out of literally everything.

Do tell what job is ruining summer swim.

Because the adults (yes that includes the league) have created this bureaucracy around what should be a pretty simple and fun competition and made it such that the only kids who can be involved in it are those kids and families who are willing to sacrifice everything at the altar of the swim team. As previous posters have said, this isn’t the olympics. This isn’t just sports, I’m hard pressed to come up with a single kids activity that parents haven’t organized the joy out of.

Which jobs can you do away with an run a valid meet?

Multiple posters have pointed it out but you all keep coming back with “it’s not valid” - they are 10 years old - nothing they do is valid. You must have 3 timers because how will Larlo make all stars if there’s a glitch with the timing on summer swim and if he doesn’t make all stars then he won’t get into Stanford and he’ll be a sign spinner on Rockville Pike. You’d be amazed at how much fun kids have when the adults get out of the way. Summer swim should be the fun swim. You are not alone in this. Check out a pinewood derby with the Scouts one time to also see how grown ups ruin kids stuff. It doesn’t HAVE to be the way it is. You all choose to make it this way either because you are overly invested in your kids, have no other way to make friends or really think you can create someone great through sheer force of will. Grey athletes are born not built.

NVsL has a full book on rules. The rules are based on USA swimming rules and the board’s rules. They can’t just change them. These meets are USA sanctioned meets. Again, this is soooo simple. If you don’t like it, don’t do it.

The problem is that all you yahoos have bought into this and there is nowhere for a fun swim team or soccer team or baseball.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never ceases to amaze me how adults continue to find ways to ruin kids activities in the pursuit of “success”. Congratulations on taking the fun out of literally everything.

Do tell what job is ruining summer swim.

Because the adults (yes that includes the league) have created this bureaucracy around what should be a pretty simple and fun competition and made it such that the only kids who can be involved in it are those kids and families who are willing to sacrifice everything at the altar of the swim team. As previous posters have said, this isn’t the olympics. This isn’t just sports, I’m hard pressed to come up with a single kids activity that parents haven’t organized the joy out of.

Which jobs can you do away with an run a valid meet?

Multiple posters have pointed it out but you all keep coming back with “it’s not valid” - they are 10 years old - nothing they do is valid. You must have 3 timers because how will Larlo make all stars if there’s a glitch with the timing on summer swim and if he doesn’t make all stars then he won’t get into Stanford and he’ll be a sign spinner on Rockville Pike. You’d be amazed at how much fun kids have when the adults get out of the way. Summer swim should be the fun swim. You are not alone in this. Check out a pinewood derby with the Scouts one time to also see how grown ups ruin kids stuff. It doesn’t HAVE to be the way it is. You all choose to make it this way either because you are overly invested in your kids, have no other way to make friends or really think you can create someone great through sheer force of will. Grey athletes are born not built.

NVsL has a full book on rules. The rules are based on USA swimming rules and the board’s rules. They can’t just change them. These meets are USA sanctioned meets. Again, this is soooo simple. If you don’t like it, don’t do it.

The problem is that all you yahoos have bought into this and there is nowhere for a fun swim team or soccer team or baseball.

If it’s not for you that’s fine, plenty of kids and families enjoy the traditions that you consider pointless. You are free to form your own league where kids show up swim and leave- no one is going to stop you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Something is fundamentally wrong with the structure of this activity when there's this much division and b*tching.

It’s DC parents. They’re all about complaining and martyrdom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Something is fundamentally wrong with the structure of this activity when there's this much division and b*tching.

It’s DC parents. They’re all about complaining and martyrdom.

Outside of this board, I haven’t heard any of it. All of the parents that I know like summer swim and most kids seem to love it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is fundamentally wrong with the structure of this activity when there's this much division and b*tching.

It’s DC parents. They’re all about complaining and martyrdom.

Outside of this board, I haven’t heard any of it. All of the parents that I know like summer swim and most kids seem to love it

This whole thing is enlightening for me.

I wonder how much of this over organizing and crazy adherence to rules has to do with the DC area’s private pools’ shameful history of racism and segregation.

You always need rules to keep out the “wrong” type of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never ceases to amaze me how adults continue to find ways to ruin kids activities in the pursuit of “success”. Congratulations on taking the fun out of literally everything.

Do tell what job is ruining summer swim.

Because the adults (yes that includes the league) have created this bureaucracy around what should be a pretty simple and fun competition and made it such that the only kids who can be involved in it are those kids and families who are willing to sacrifice everything at the altar of the swim team. As previous posters have said, this isn’t the olympics. This isn’t just sports, I’m hard pressed to come up with a single kids activity that parents haven’t organized the joy out of.

Which jobs can you do away with an run a valid meet?

Multiple posters have pointed it out but you all keep coming back with “it’s not valid” - they are 10 years old - nothing they do is valid. You must have 3 timers because how will Larlo make all stars if there’s a glitch with the timing on summer swim and if he doesn’t make all stars then he won’t get into Stanford and he’ll be a sign spinner on Rockville Pike. You’d be amazed at how much fun kids have when the adults get out of the way. Summer swim should be the fun swim. You are not alone in this. Check out a pinewood derby with the Scouts one time to also see how grown ups ruin kids stuff. It doesn’t HAVE to be the way it is. You all choose to make it this way either because you are overly invested in your kids, have no other way to make friends or really think you can create someone great through sheer force of will. Grey athletes are born not built.

I’m following now for fun and what I’ve learned is that concessions aren’t necessary but a fundraiser. So I’ll say that can go. Do what every other rec league does. Up the fee to participate or make kids individually fund raise and parents can opt out of that by paying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never ceases to amaze me how adults continue to find ways to ruin kids activities in the pursuit of “success”. Congratulations on taking the fun out of literally everything.

Do tell what job is ruining summer swim.

Because the adults (yes that includes the league) have created this bureaucracy around what should be a pretty simple and fun competition and made it such that the only kids who can be involved in it are those kids and families who are willing to sacrifice everything at the altar of the swim team. As previous posters have said, this isn’t the olympics. This isn’t just sports, I’m hard pressed to come up with a single kids activity that parents haven’t organized the joy out of.

Which jobs can you do away with an run a valid meet?

Multiple posters have pointed it out but you all keep coming back with “it’s not valid” - they are 10 years old - nothing they do is valid. You must have 3 timers because how will Larlo make all stars if there’s a glitch with the timing on summer swim and if he doesn’t make all stars then he won’t get into Stanford and he’ll be a sign spinner on Rockville Pike. You’d be amazed at how much fun kids have when the adults get out of the way. Summer swim should be the fun swim. You are not alone in this. Check out a pinewood derby with the Scouts one time to also see how grown ups ruin kids stuff. It doesn’t HAVE to be the way it is. You all choose to make it this way either because you are overly invested in your kids, have no other way to make friends or really think you can create someone great through sheer force of will. Grey athletes are born not built.

I’m following now for fun and what I’ve learned is that concessions aren’t necessary but a fundraiser. So I’ll say that can go. Do what every other rec league does. Up the fee to participate or make kids individually fund raise and parents can opt out of that by paying.

It can't go as most teams need the money and the point of summer swim is to make it affordable and accessible to all kids. And, if you are at a meet 4-5 hours its nice to have a snack or even buy things like water.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never ceases to amaze me how adults continue to find ways to ruin kids activities in the pursuit of “success”. Congratulations on taking the fun out of literally everything.

Do tell what job is ruining summer swim.

Because the adults (yes that includes the league) have created this bureaucracy around what should be a pretty simple and fun competition and made it such that the only kids who can be involved in it are those kids and families who are willing to sacrifice everything at the altar of the swim team. As previous posters have said, this isn’t the olympics. This isn’t just sports, I’m hard pressed to come up with a single kids activity that parents haven’t organized the joy out of.

Which jobs can you do away with an run a valid meet?

Multiple posters have pointed it out but you all keep coming back with “it’s not valid” - they are 10 years old - nothing they do is valid. You must have 3 timers because how will Larlo make all stars if there’s a glitch with the timing on summer swim and if he doesn’t make all stars then he won’t get into Stanford and he’ll be a sign spinner on Rockville Pike. You’d be amazed at how much fun kids have when the adults get out of the way. Summer swim should be the fun swim. You are not alone in this. Check out a pinewood derby with the Scouts one time to also see how grown ups ruin kids stuff. It doesn’t HAVE to be the way it is. You all choose to make it this way either because you are overly invested in your kids, have no other way to make friends or really think you can create someone great through sheer force of will. Grey athletes are born not built.

I’m following now for fun and what I’ve learned is that concessions aren’t necessary but a fundraiser. So I’ll say that can go. Do what every other rec league does. Up the fee to participate or make kids individually fund raise and parents can opt out of that by paying.

It can't go as most teams need the money and the point of summer swim is to make it affordable and accessible to all kids. And, if you are at a meet 4-5 hours its nice to have a snack or even buy things like water.

Except that there are parents here saying they would rather pay a fee and opt out of volunteering, and people saying that couldn’t work because all the jobs are needed. Seems like a team could set their opt out fee to cover the lost earnings from concessions.

Similarly that money could go to touch pads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is fundamentally wrong with the structure of this activity when there's this much division and b*tching.

It’s DC parents. They’re all about complaining and martyrdom.

Outside of this board, I haven’t heard any of it. All of the parents that I know like summer swim and most kids seem to love it

This whole thing is enlightening for me.

I wonder how much of this over organizing and crazy adherence to rules has to do with the DC area’s private pools’ shameful history of racism and segregation.

You always need rules to keep out the “wrong” type of people.

As mentioned before, a meets are USA Swimming sanctioned meets. USA swimming rules require this people at every meet:

4 Minimum Number of Officials Required for Dual Meets 1 Referee, who may also act as a stroke and turn judge
1 Starter
1 Other Stroke and Turn Judge (may be the Starter)
1 Announcer
3 Timers per lane (one minimum if automatic timing equipment with touchpads is used) 1 Administrative Official
1 Place Judge
Relay Take-off Judges (if applicable)
Marshal(s) (number determined by the LSC)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is fundamentally wrong with the structure of this activity when there's this much division and b*tching.

It’s DC parents. They’re all about complaining and martyrdom.

Outside of this board, I haven’t heard any of it. All of the parents that I know like summer swim and most kids seem to love it

This whole thing is enlightening for me.

I wonder how much of this over organizing and crazy adherence to rules has to do with the DC area’s private pools’ shameful history of racism and segregation.

You always need rules to keep out the “wrong” type of people.

As mentioned before, a meets are USA Swimming sanctioned meets. USA swimming rules require this people at every meet:

4 Minimum Number of Officials Required for Dual Meets 1 Referee, who may also act as a stroke and turn judge
1 Starter
1 Other Stroke and Turn Judge (may be the Starter)
1 Announcer
3 Timers per lane (one minimum if automatic timing equipment with touchpads is used) 1 Administrative Official
1 Place Judge
Relay Take-off Judges (if applicable)
Marshal(s) (number determined by the LSC)

You forgot the most important rule:

No black people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something is fundamentally wrong with the structure of this activity when there's this much division and b*tching.

It’s DC parents. They’re all about complaining and martyrdom.

Outside of this board, I haven’t heard any of it. All of the parents that I know like summer swim and most kids seem to love it

This whole thing is enlightening for me.

I wonder how much of this over organizing and crazy adherence to rules has to do with the DC area’s private pools’ shameful history of racism and segregation.

You always need rules to keep out the “wrong” type of people.

As mentioned before, a meets are USA Swimming sanctioned meets. USA swimming rules require this people at every meet:

4 Minimum Number of Officials Required for Dual Meets 1 Referee, who may also act as a stroke and turn judge
1 Starter
1 Other Stroke and Turn Judge (may be the Starter)
1 Announcer
3 Timers per lane (one minimum if automatic timing equipment with touchpads is used) 1 Administrative Official
1 Place Judge
Relay Take-off Judges (if applicable)
Marshal(s) (number determined by the LSC)

You forgot the most important rule:

No black people.

You again??

There are many teams with black kids. Pools do not discriminate against who can join. It’s no longer 1950. Things have moved forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never ceases to amaze me how adults continue to find ways to ruin kids activities in the pursuit of “success”. Congratulations on taking the fun out of literally everything.

Do tell what job is ruining summer swim.

Because the adults (yes that includes the league) have created this bureaucracy around what should be a pretty simple and fun competition and made it such that the only kids who can be involved in it are those kids and families who are willing to sacrifice everything at the altar of the swim team. As previous posters have said, this isn’t the olympics. This isn’t just sports, I’m hard pressed to come up with a single kids activity that parents haven’t organized the joy out of.

Which jobs can you do away with an run a valid meet?

Multiple posters have pointed it out but you all keep coming back with “it’s not valid” - they are 10 years old - nothing they do is valid. You must have 3 timers because how will Larlo make all stars if there’s a glitch with the timing on summer swim and if he doesn’t make all stars then he won’t get into Stanford and he’ll be a sign spinner on Rockville Pike. You’d be amazed at how much fun kids have when the adults get out of the way. Summer swim should be the fun swim. You are not alone in this. Check out a pinewood derby with the Scouts one time to also see how grown ups ruin kids stuff. It doesn’t HAVE to be the way it is. You all choose to make it this way either because you are overly invested in your kids, have no other way to make friends or really think you can create someone great through sheer force of will. Grey athletes are born not built.

I’m following now for fun and what I’ve learned is that concessions aren’t necessary but a fundraiser. So I’ll say that can go. Do what every other rec league does. Up the fee to participate or make kids individually fund raise and parents can opt out of that by paying.

It can't go as most teams need the money and the point of summer swim is to make it affordable and accessible to all kids. And, if you are at a meet 4-5 hours its nice to have a snack or even buy things like water.

Does anyone really care about it being affordable? Every pool around us has wait list years long then you have to put down a lot of money plus the annual fee. I’m sure they would give you an extra $100 to not volunteer for concessions. I would rather skip the volunteering and have something delivered if I’m hungry and there for 4-5 hours.

[Anonymous]

I’m a team rep. I also swam in the NVSL. My impression is that meets are run just about identically to they way they were back in the day.

Yes, it’s a lot of people involved. But it’s like a six-week season of meets. That is it.

Swim team is the single best activity IMO, with kids of all ages from the neighborhood supporting each other and competing in a sport where you can see individual improvement weekly. There is just nothing like it. I’ve met so many people through swim team who I never would have known. It is simply the best.