MC police pick up ESS 5 year old; harass & assault him

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I would guess this child has learning disabilities and is struggling with classwork, not getting the help he needs, not able to verbally communicate what he needs and instead of doing the work gets frustrated and acts out. Mom's parenting is very inconsistent. She uses threats, spanking, bribes and making the child throw away toys if he doesn't behave.

This is what really upsets me. How would you know this? If you're working for MCPS leaking information about this child, you're in violation of the child's Privacy Laws and need to be charged.

No one on this thread is asking the two most important questions here.

#1 Is there any time where the police has the right to treat a five-year-old this way? (hint the answer is 'no')

#2 How could MCPS "lose" a child? (hint that's a crime folks!)

You clearly didn't watch the video. MCPS didn't lose the child. The child walked out of the school and a school staff walked behind them at a distance and called the police. They aren't allowed to restrain or stop a child. The school handled that part properly.

The police were inappropriate. I wouldn't classify it as abuse but it was really bizarre behavior. They physically put the kid in the car but that's fine. They phyiscally put him a in a chair too.

The video lasted an hour with a very long discussion between Mom and the police. Put it on 1.5 speed. This was all information from Mom. The only thing the school said was we were meeting tomorrow to discuss what to do.

Bizzare is a good way to describe the situation.

[Anonymous]

Saw the officer's bodycam footage. The MCPS staff stood by and said and did nothing when the officer was yelling at the kid? They should have known better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Saw the officer's bodycam footage. The MCPS staff stood by and said and did nothing when the officer was yelling at the kid? They should have known better.

I was a bit surprised by that. I think they were frustrated and didn't know what to do but they should have put an end to the discussion or maybe brought the child out of the room or something. It made me really sad to see the little boy having to sit through all that being told how bad he was and not considering something else may go on. He didn't seem like a bad kid. Not one person took the time to help him calm down and talk to him except to yell.

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She isn't asking for special education services. Listen to the video. She says he's fine and doesn't need all that. The school made comments about a meeting set up for the next day and they were trying to put supports in place. It sounded like mom wasn't agreeing to a special placement. For most families, its a fight but when a child behaves this way, most schools want that child out and will support them moving to another school (now if its the right placement is a different issue).

I wish we didn't all know this, but anyone who has watched the video is aware that this was not the first time the child either eloped or tried to elope, and not the first time he'd been violent/destructive with teachers and peers.

This wasn't the "adjusting to kindergarten blues." It was a child in crisis, who needed a much different placement with teachers who are specially trained and a school facility designed for kids who try to escape.

Other than this poor kid, the person I feel the most sorry for here is the poor kindergarten teacher, who has to try to teach a class of 16 kids including at least one who needs a totally different kind of school placement.

Agree, this isn't kindergarten blues. This kid need more support and a really good evaluation to help figure out what was going on. I also wonder what was going on at the school to make him elope.

[Anonymous]

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I would guess this child has learning disabilities and is struggling with classwork, not getting the help he needs, not able to verbally communicate what he needs and instead of doing the work gets frustrated and acts out. Mom's parenting is very inconsistent. She uses threats, spanking, bribes and making the child throw away toys if he doesn't behave.

This is what really upsets me. How would you know this? If you're working for MCPS leaking information about this child, you're in violation of the child's Privacy Laws and need to be charged.

No one on this thread is asking the two most important questions here.

#1 Is there any time where the police has the right to treat a five-year-old this way? (hint the answer is 'no')

#2 How could MCPS "lose" a child? (hint that's a crime folks!)

1) Absolutely not

2) The police were called before the child even eloped and a staff member followed at a distance. Unless you want untrained staff trying to restrain a child in the middle of a meltdown, that was the correct decision.

3) Everything the PP says is in the video, including details about discipline

It was hard to tell but this kid wasn't a fighter. When the adults took his hand, he went with them. But, MCPS has specific protocols on how to handle this stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is the police officer transporting the child without a proper car seat?

A child hits another with a clipboard.
A child grabs another by the hair and slams their head.
A child hits the teacher.
A child breaks a $1000 computer.
A child leaves school property.
An officer of the law gets in that child’s face and screams at them and taunts them.
An officer of the law tells a child they are bad and encourages mom to whoop that child.
An officer of the law test drives a pair of handcuffs on a five year old.
A mom tells officers and a staff member she can’t beat her child because she’ll lose custody or go to jail but otherwise would.
A mom is suing the MCPD after joking around and smiling at the end of this debacle...

And you are concerned that a five and 1/2 year old is drive 2 blocks without a seatbelt? GMAFB!

This x 1000
Its all bad news. There was much more said than that. Those cops should be fired. That mom should get CPS in home help given the behavior of the child and mandated counseling.

Why is the adult in the room/who ever she is not talking to the child helping him calm down and guide him through the situation? The police scream at the kid but don't engage them and act like fools. The other adult is not helping the child either.

You forgot where mom strips the kid to show officers.
All the inappropriate conversations in front of the kid. Joking and laughing instead of talking to the child appropriately about behavior. They can call the kid bad but can't talk to the child about appropriate behavior. Get down on his level and talk to him calmly.
The name calling by the officers.
Those staff seem horrible. No wonder the kid is running.
Mom has no clue how to parent. She buys him toys then has them throw it away. She spanks and bribes but not work with him on behavior.
The police counseling was inappropriate. They have nothing to offer.
Mother calling kid retarded and other stuff. How she spoke to her child was just as terrible. The all three fed into each other.
No one is teaching this kid deescalation and alternatives to anger and frustration and how to get needs met. No one is listening to him, just yelling.
Mom knows he needs a therapist, didn't get him therapy and saying he doesn't need it.
Mom blaming the school and they are clearly part of the problem but he needs a different school environment.
Mom is just as bad, if not worse as she should have taken her child and left.
Mom is rambling about her and her beliefs.

No one is talking about the child or the child's needs or talking to the child to help figure out what is going on.
This child has SN - he only drinks pedisure and only recently started with chicken nuggets. She should have gotten him evaluated and feeding help as at 5, that's not normal. Pickly is normal, that is not.

Zero reason for Mom to sue as she acted the same way.

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Agreed

I don’t get the feeling the mom is going to put my money gained by a lawsuit towards the kid.

This is a money grab from the mom AND political posturing from Jawando, who wants to be on the national stage.

This poor kid doesn’t have a chance. My heart goes out to him.

Agree. Moms behavior was an equal problem so not sure why she is suing. Kid was not treated well but this is not sue worthy. Plus now this kid is branded on the internet forever.

She. Wants. Money.

Nobody actually seems to care about this little boy. Not even the mom, and definitely NOT Jawando. It feels like they are all using this incident to further their own agendas.

Good. For. Her.

Getting special education services for your child in MCPS
bankrupts families. This little bit deserves the help he needs
and that help is extremely expensive.

The Board of Education hates these families. They should have
to pay.

She doesn’t seem to WANT special Ed services.

If she wanted money to get her child help, then good for her. But that doesn’t seem to be the case. I think she wants money, but it’s unlikely it gets set aside to help the poor child.

Where is the dad?? Does the dad get a say? Or do we just let the mom out this kid on blast so that this story follows him around for the rest of his life?

Again, this poor kid doesn’t have a chance.

In the video she didn't want help and she said it would be a waste of time. She knew to get private therapy and more and decided against it. She could use family therapy to work with her on discipline and consistency and help the child process his feelings and an evaluation. Come 5, the feeding issues are not normal even for a picky kid. Most picky kids will eat at least a dozen things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read through 37 pages of comments but I’ve read a lot of them. Do any of you realize that this is a cultural thing.

Black parents discipline their children differently than whites do in fact you can hear the mother say that. Both officers are black so it’s basically a black cultural discussion. As someone else said if everyone involved had been white you never would have heard of it.

Jawando, who has his own agenda to gain higher office, pushed his friend Chief Jones for a year to release this tape. Joe’s finally did with pressure from the CE. Jawando, who was rejected by MCPD years ago, will do anything to make the police department look bad. It’s as simple as that.

Jawando didn't find out about this until January 2021, like the rest of the world. He has NOT been pushing for anything from Chief Jones.

They also are not friends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read through 37 pages of comments but I’ve read a lot of them. Do any of you realize that this is a cultural thing.

Black parents discipline their children differently than whites do in fact you can hear the mother say that. Both officers are black so it’s basically a black cultural discussion. As someone else said if everyone involved had been white you never would have heard of it.

Jawando, who has his own agenda to gain higher office, pushed his friend Chief Jones for a year to release this tape. Joe’s finally did with pressure from the CE. Jawando, who was rejected by MCPD years ago, will do anything to make the police department look bad. It’s as simple as that.

Jawando didn't find out about this until January 2021, like the rest of the world. He has NOT been pushing for anything from Chief Jones.

They also are not friends.

This is absolutely not true. This happened I think in 2020 or even 2019 and it has been posted before on different social media. So the real question is why is she suing now? And, why just for money and not help for her son. I've seen it before.

[Anonymous]

It was hard to tell but this kid wasn't a fighter. When the adults took his hand, he went with them. But, MCPS has specific protocols on how to handle this stuff.

Again, I really wish we didn't all have this information, but the video of him tearing apart the classroom and terrorizing his classmates is on the bodycam. Now, whether the school should have shown that video to the cops is an open question and I hope MCPS is investigating. I'm not villianizing the kid. He needs help, and I sincerely hope he gets it. But facts do actually matter.

[Anonymous]

You know the cops f’d ip when the FOP releases a statement saying so.

[Anonymous]

The cops here were horrible. So was the mom. I’m not sure sure she’s getting off here...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The cops here were horrible. So was the mom. I’m not sure sure she’s getting off here...

Right. The only folks I feel sorry for here are the child, who desperately needs help that he's not getting, and.....actually, that's it. That's the list. The police ought to lose their jobs. The school administrators need to be disciplined. The mom needs CPS on her doorstep tomorrow, at the minimum to offer help and services.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The cops here were horrible. So was the mom. I’m not sure sure she’s getting off here...

Right. The only folks I feel sorry for here are the child, who desperately needs help that he's not getting, and.....actually, that's it. That's the list. The police ought to lose their jobs. The school administrators need to be disciplined. The mom needs CPS on her doorstep tomorrow, at the minimum to offer help and services.

Mom's not going to change. She knows it all. There isn't anything CPS can do. There are no marks or bruises and he's being physically cared for.

This was over a year ago. Hopefully he's getting support now.

[Anonymous]

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It was hard to tell but this kid wasn't a fighter. When the adults took his hand, he went with them. But, MCPS has specific protocols on how to handle this stuff.

Again, I really wish we didn't all have this information, but the video of him tearing apart the classroom and terrorizing his classmates is on the bodycam. Now, whether the school should have shown that video to the cops is an open question and I hope MCPS is investigating. I'm not villianizing the kid. He needs help, and I sincerely hope he gets it. But facts do actually matter.

Mom demanded the footage and wanted it released. Now this poor child will be on the internet forever. This happened over a year ago and she's just filing suit now? Why now?

[Anonymous]

Tell us more about Jawando applying to the MCPD?!?