Superbowl halftime - scantily dressed women and very covered up men

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Anonymous wrote:I was conflicted.

Both women are beautiful and in amazing shape. They have every right to perform as they see fit, and the performance was undeniably entertaining. I loved Shakira and but thought that J-Lo's performance was not as good. I also felt it was too overtly sexual for my taste. But that's just me. I guess I don't see over the top sexuality as empowerment.

The reaction of my 14 year old son was interesting. He found the show to be "confusing" and "uncomfortable." He said that they talk constantly at school about not objectifying women, but he thought that the performers were objectifying themselves. We had the usual "it is never ok to touch"conversation and I emphasized that dress or dance don't mean that a woman is "slutty." Each woman can present herself as she sees fit. He gets that. But his very sincere question was basically why, if women don't want to be viewed for their body parts, do they choose to put them on display in such an in your face way? He said, in not exactly these words, that it was almost like you couldn't see each as a talented performer because the emphasis was on body parts.

This is what you should say to your son... stop sexualizing women, their dress does not cause that. Dancers... ballarinas, trapeze artists, volley ball players... they wear very little/tight/revealing clothes. Stop making the outfit about sex. That is something that he is choosing to do. Belly Dancers move the same way... if you choose to think about sex when they dance that is on you. His reaction is extremely immature.

They are not in your face, it is his choice to sexualize a woman based on how she is dressed. He can choose better and his actions and reactions are his own, not caused by others.

They did not emphasize body parts HE emphasized body parts, he missed the art/athleticism/talent... that is on him.

Seriously??? You are insane. This is why young men can't figure the world out. No way. They emphasized their body parts, they opted to have bare butts, to use a strip pole. J Lo's entire performance was about sex.

It is completely different from athletes and we have had extensive discussions about this. Context matters. Just as it is appropriate for a woman to use pole dancing, it would not be appropriate for an elementary school teacher to demonstrate her fitness skills for her class.

Seriously? YOU are insane.

My kids do not look at them and think sex ... they think athleticism, amazing dancing, great music, fun, entertaining.

Yes, context matters... this was not a stip club, this was a athletic show. She shows how athletic she is, how amazing she can dance and entertain.

Nobody was thinking sex... except for a bunch of boys with moms who have taught them a woman's body is only for sex.

Humans are sexual beings. I highly doubt your teens will never look at a human with any sexual interest or have any sexual desires. The human race would have died out eons ago if men didn't look at women are sexual beings. People can choose to emphasize or not emphasize the sexual side of themselves in how they present themselves. This can be done through words, outfits, dance moves etc. If someone wants to be sexualized and acts in a very sexualized way, there is nothing wrong with them being sexualized. Tons of people were thinking about sex. That is human nature. You seem completely void of common sense. Thinking about someone's body in a sexual way when they are putting themselves out there in a sexual way doesn't mean that woman's body is only about sex it just means that at that moment that is focus they are presenting.

If you don't get it you will not get it. You were socialized to believe that anytime a curvy woman of color moves her hips and wears less clothes... it is about sex.

It is so deeply ingrained in your subconscious you don't even see that is a learned response you can unlearn if you choose to do so.

This is why women can go topless elsewhere and not be sexualized, because their society did not teach people to sexualize everything.

You just will never get it.

My teens do not equate a 1/2 time show with sex. They know J.Lo and Shakira are at a job and doing a damn amazing job. NO. They did not sexualize them.

My kids can appreciate an amazing looking body without making it about sex. Plus J.Lo is f'ing 50 you think teens are sexualizing moms... gross, what is wrong with you and your kid.

JLo was sexualizing herself. Plain and simple. If you don't see that, you really are naive. Any person (regardless of color) wearing next to nothing and gyrating/dancing provocatively is going to make people think of sex. That's not a socialized thing, it's an instinctual thing. We are animals at our base designed to reproduce. Certain cues are going to signal that, that's human nature. You really are dense if you can't see the association.

No. Not everybody is triggered by dancing women. You have serious issues if you can't see dancers and athletes in less clothes without sexualizing them.

Now I'm convinced you are seriously dense. Did you not see the same show I did? If you seriously think the performers (male and female) weren't dancing provocatively, you are blind or in serious denial. Did you see where the guy was simulating slapping JLo's ass? Or where she slowly bent over or where she was dancing on a pole?

Yes. I saw the same show and I don't feel it was provocative. You chose your reaction, it's funny you think that feeling it was provocative is not something you learned to think about POC when they dance. It's a learned reaction not a natural one.

I have no problem with the halftime show. But if you're seriously here arguing it wasn't provocative, you're not operating in good faith. Of course it was provocative - it was intentionally provocative. Gimme a break.

OMG! Get out a little, no it wasn't ... it was no more "provocative" than circus de soleil.

Lighten up Francis, you are f'ing old as the hills.

Do you want me to admit Elivs swinging his hips was provocative too.

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Anonymous wrote:It's 2020, these are professional, talented, established women. So why do they need to perform in lingerie?

Exactly. Their attire/behavior weren’t necessary.

BECAUSE IT IS FOOTBALL FOR F-S SAKE!

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Anonymous wrote:I was conflicted.

Both women are beautiful and in amazing shape. They have every right to perform as they see fit, and the performance was undeniably entertaining. I loved Shakira and but thought that J-Lo's performance was not as good. I also felt it was too overtly sexual for my taste. But that's just me. I guess I don't see over the top sexuality as empowerment.

The reaction of my 14 year old son was interesting. He found the show to be "confusing" and "uncomfortable." He said that they talk constantly at school about not objectifying women, but he thought that the performers were objectifying themselves. We had the usual "it is never ok to touch"conversation and I emphasized that dress or dance don't mean that a woman is "slutty." Each woman can present herself as she sees fit. He gets that. But his very sincere question was basically why, if women don't want to be viewed for their body parts, do they choose to put them on display in such an in your face way? He said, in not exactly these words, that it was almost like you couldn't see each as a talented performer because the emphasis was on body parts.

This is what you should say to your son... stop sexualizing women, their dress does not cause that. Dancers... ballarinas, trapeze artists, volley ball players... they wear very little/tight/revealing clothes. Stop making the outfit about sex. That is something that he is choosing to do. Belly Dancers move the same way... if you choose to think about sex when they dance that is on you. His reaction is extremely immature.

They are not in your face, it is his choice to sexualize a woman based on how she is dressed. He can choose better and his actions and reactions are his own, not caused by others.

They did not emphasize body parts HE emphasized body parts, he missed the art/athleticism/talent... that is on him.

Seriously??? You are insane. This is why young men can't figure the world out. No way. They emphasized their body parts, they opted to have bare butts, to use a strip pole. J Lo's entire performance was about sex.

It is completely different from athletes and we have had extensive discussions about this. Context matters. Just as it is appropriate for a woman to use pole dancing, it would not be appropriate for an elementary school teacher to demonstrate her fitness skills for her class.

Seriously? YOU are insane.

My kids do not look at them and think sex ... they think athleticism, amazing dancing, great music, fun, entertaining.

Yes, context matters... this was not a stip club, this was a athletic show. She shows how athletic she is, how amazing she can dance and entertain.

Nobody was thinking sex... except for a bunch of boys with moms who have taught them a woman's body is only for sex.

Humans are sexual beings. I highly doubt your teens will never look at a human with any sexual interest or have any sexual desires. The human race would have died out eons ago if men didn't look at women are sexual beings. People can choose to emphasize or not emphasize the sexual side of themselves in how they present themselves. This can be done through words, outfits, dance moves etc. If someone wants to be sexualized and acts in a very sexualized way, there is nothing wrong with them being sexualized. Tons of people were thinking about sex. That is human nature. You seem completely void of common sense. Thinking about someone's body in a sexual way when they are putting themselves out there in a sexual way doesn't mean that woman's body is only about sex it just means that at that moment that is focus they are presenting.

If you don't get it you will not get it. You were socialized to believe that anytime a curvy woman of color moves her hips and wears less clothes... it is about sex.

It is so deeply ingrained in your subconscious you don't even see that is a learned response you can unlearn if you choose to do so.

This is why women can go topless elsewhere and not be sexualized, because their society did not teach people to sexualize everything.

You just will never get it.

My teens do not equate a 1/2 time show with sex. They know J.Lo and Shakira are at a job and doing a damn amazing job. NO. They did not sexualize them.

My kids can appreciate an amazing looking body without making it about sex. Plus J.Lo is f'ing 50 you think teens are sexualizing moms... gross, what is wrong with you and your kid.

JLo was sexualizing herself. Plain and simple. If you don't see that, you really are naive. Any person (regardless of color) wearing next to nothing and gyrating/dancing provocatively is going to make people think of sex. That's not a socialized thing, it's an instinctual thing. We are animals at our base designed to reproduce. Certain cues are going to signal that, that's human nature. You really are dense if you can't see the association.

No. Not everybody is triggered by dancing women. You have serious issues if you can't see dancers and athletes in less clothes without sexualizing them.

Now I'm convinced you are seriously dense. Did you not see the same show I did? If you seriously think the performers (male and female) weren't dancing provocatively, you are blind or in serious denial. Did you see where the guy was simulating slapping JLo's ass? Or where she slowly bent over or where she was dancing on a pole?

Yes. I saw the same show and I don't feel it was provocative. You chose your reaction, it's funny you think that feeling it was provocative is not something you learned to think about POC when they dance. It's a learned reaction not a natural one.

I have no problem with the halftime show. But if you're seriously here arguing it wasn't provocative, you're not operating in good faith. Of course it was provocative - it was intentionally provocative. Gimme a break.

OMG! Get out a little, no it wasn't ... it was no more "provocative" than circus de soleil.

Lighten up Francis, you are f'ing old as the hills.

Do you want me to admit Elivs swinging his hips was provocative too.

I'm fine with the show, but show me any cirque de soleil costume as provocative as J Lo's.

Also, I'm pretty sure the artists would be disappointed to hear that you found the performance devoid of any sexuality or sensuality. Maybe you've been unnaturally conditioned to suppress any emotional response to sensual and at times, overtly sexual movements on the part of two talented artists.

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Hey Karens—-did you notice that there was a statement made about kids in cages on our soil? Or nah.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey Karens—-did you notice that there was a statement made about kids in cages on our soil? Or nah.

Nah, they were too busy being aghast about JLo's crotch. Who cares about the kids when you can have righteous indignation about a woman's body?

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Anonymous wrote:Hey Karens—-did you notice that there was a statement made about kids in cages on our soil? Or nah.

Nah, they were too busy being aghast about JLo's crotch. Who cares about the kids when you can have righteous indignation about a woman's body?

Did JLo’s skimpy outfit help the kids? Or did she perhaps politicize her performance to increase media attention to herself?

Surprised nobody commented that JLo’s daughter was wearing a fuller skirt than the other kids she pimped out in her show. Her daughter’s skirt was longer, not tight and more modest. Hypocrite.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey Karens—-did you notice that there was a statement made about kids in cages on our soil? Or nah.

Nah, they were too busy being aghast about JLo's crotch. Who cares about the kids when you can have righteous indignation about a woman's body?

Did JLo’s skimpy outfit help the kids? Or did she perhaps politicize her performance to increase media attention to herself?

Surprised nobody commented that JLo’s daughter was wearing a fuller skirt than the other kids she pimped out in her show. Her daughter’s skirt was longer, not tight and more modest. Hypocrite.

OMG are you always this insufferable? Don't you have something real to worry about?

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Anonymous wrote:Hey Karens—-did you notice that there was a statement made about kids in cages on our soil? Or nah.

Nah, they were too busy being aghast about JLo's crotch. Who cares about the kids when you can have righteous indignation about a woman's body?

Did JLo’s skimpy outfit help the kids? Or did she perhaps politicize her performance to increase media attention to herself?

Surprised nobody commented that JLo’s daughter was wearing a fuller skirt than the other kids she pimped out in her show. Her daughter’s skirt was longer, not tight and more modest. Hypocrite.

OMG are you always this insufferable? Don't you have something real to worry about?

Literally nothing in the entertainment forum matters. Are you new here?

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Anonymous wrote:Hey Karens—-did you notice that there was a statement made about kids in cages on our soil? Or nah.

Nah, they were too busy being aghast about JLo's crotch. Who cares about the kids when you can have righteous indignation about a woman's body?

Did JLo’s skimpy outfit help the kids? Or did she perhaps politicize her performance to increase media attention to herself?

Surprised nobody commented that JLo’s daughter was wearing a fuller skirt than the other kids she pimped out in her show. Her daughter’s skirt was longer, not tight and more modest. Hypocrite.

In a vacuum no. But it does make a statement which will hopefully get more people talking and act on it

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Anonymous wrote:Loved it! Shakira and J Lo killed it.

Women can wear what they want in this country. We don’t have to be modest if we choose not too.

My boys are 13 and 15. We were at a party with other tween and teen kids, no one got up and left. Why are you all teaching your boys that a women’s body is something to feel embarrassed about appreciating?

They work out hard, they are athletes that train for hours for their dance routines. Simply denigrating them as just “scantily clad women” is incredibly misogynistic.

I completely agree with you PP. I come from a culture where women are shamed if they show their bodies or dare to express their sexuality. While I’m a feminist and hate the objectification of women, I also can appreciate a fun and entertaining show.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey Karens—-did you notice that there was a statement made about kids in cages on our soil? Or nah.

Nah, they were too busy being aghast about JLo's crotch. Who cares about the kids when you can have righteous indignation about a woman's body?

Did JLo’s skimpy outfit help the kids? Or did she perhaps politicize her performance to increase media attention to herself?

Surprised nobody commented that JLo’s daughter was wearing a fuller skirt than the other kids she pimped out in her show. Her daughter’s skirt was longer, not tight and more modest. Hypocrite.

OMG are you always this insufferable? Don't you have something real to worry about?

Literally nothing in the entertainment forum matters. Are you new here?

Apparently it matters a lot. Little Suzy and little Johnny will never have their eyesight back after seeing JLo on a pole. Are you new here?

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Anonymous wrote:Hey Karens—-did you notice that there was a statement made about kids in cages on our soil? Or nah.

Nah, they were too busy being aghast about JLo's crotch. Who cares about the kids when you can have righteous indignation about a woman's body?

Did JLo’s skimpy outfit help the kids? Or did she perhaps politicize her performance to increase media attention to herself?

Surprised nobody commented that JLo’s daughter was wearing a fuller skirt than the other kids she pimped out in her show. Her daughter’s skirt was longer, not tight and more modest. Hypocrite.

+ a million

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As a Latina, and mother of a Latina, we were both ashamed and dissapointed by the show.

Typical anglo stereotypes of us, delivered with very poor taste.

We expected much more of two amazing artists.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey Karens—-did you notice that there was a statement made about kids in cages on our soil? Or nah.

Nah, they were too busy being aghast about JLo's crotch. Who cares about the kids when you can have righteous indignation about a woman's body?

Did JLo’s skimpy outfit help the kids? Or did she perhaps politicize her performance to increase media attention to herself?

Surprised nobody commented that JLo’s daughter was wearing a fuller skirt than the other kids she pimped out in her show. Her daughter’s skirt was longer, not tight and more modest. Hypocrite.

I noticed the girls swiveled their hips and was aghast.