9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project

[Anonymous]

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You are missing one key point. RIGHT NOW, the wires are connected to an LED display. Wires can be disconnected and reconnected. It's really not that hard. In fact, it often makes sense to NOT connect something to an "explodey thing" right away as you call it, because...well....ask Bill Ayers.... This is why officers and military types see these things and get concerned - and want to investigate them.

The items you describe above were not taken out of their original cases and put into a pencil case. They are in their original form.

Do you know what an IED without an explosive charge and a detonator looks like? A cell phone. By your logic, every cell phone in America is a potential "explodey thing" not yet connected up.

This is so stupid I can't even get my head around it. The boy had a clock. He told everyone it is a clock. Furthermore, it IS IN FACT A CLOCK! And your imagination about what it could eventually become based on your knowledge obtained from an extensive DVD collection and/or fear of Muslims does not actually change that.

Yes, I absolutely do. That's why I know it's pretty damn critical to have things checked out and not believe what said by the individual carrying a suspicious device. Add to that, the current goings-on in Irving, TX and you have a police force and school system that's a bit more on edge.

The components were in a plastic casing - a clock housing. The kid removed that and arranged the components in a pencil box, then told his teachers he made a clock. At the very least, we know he didn't make the clock. He simply rearranged the bits in another casing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are missing one key point. RIGHT NOW, the wires are connected to an LED display. Wires can be disconnected and reconnected. It's really not that hard. In fact, it often makes sense to NOT connect something to an "explodey thing" right away as you call it, because...well....ask Bill Ayers.... This is why officers and military types see these things and get concerned - and want to investigate them.

The items you describe above were not taken out of their original cases and put into a pencil case. They are in their original form.

Do you know what an IED without an explosive charge and a detonator looks like? A cell phone. By your logic, every cell phone in America is a potential "explodey thing" not yet connected up.

This is so stupid I can't even get my head around it. The boy had a clock. He told everyone it is a clock. Furthermore, it IS IN FACT A CLOCK! And your imagination about what it could eventually become based on your knowledge obtained from an extensive DVD collection and/or fear of Muslims does not actually change that.

You keep yelling "CLOCK CLOCK CLOCK". Would YOU seriously be able to tell the difference between a homemade clock and a homemade bomb in the heat of the moment? And if you did suspect it was a homemade clock would you play it safe and call the police or deal with the errant clock yourself. If you were a police officer who had a teenage muslin boy accused of bomb making in your custody would you take him at his word or wait for expert opinion?

Btw I already know how you will answer

Yes, I absolutely could tell it was a clock from the moment I laid eyes on it. I expect that his engineering teacher and the cops were able to do the exact same thing. It's a freaking clock. I know this is hard for you because obviously you don't know a thing about electronics, but it is a clock.

Same engineering teacher told him it looked like a bomb and not to show anyone else. So clearly, there was an issue. What staff and police were trying to determine was motivation, i.e. hoax or not. He's 14, not 7. And given his father is an activist, he clearly has been schooled about 'racist' Americans. In fact, he put a cable tie on the box, rather than a lock, so it wouldn't look 'suspicious'. So the fact it might was clearly on his mind. At what point does a 14 year old 'boy genius' say to himself, 'hey, this might not be a great thing to bring to school'. And at what point does his father say "what the HELL were you thinking?". If I was a non-polygamist Mormon and my kid was handing out pamphlets on polygamy at school, that's EXACTLY what I'd say. Instead, the father said the school 'tortured' his son. Tortured. Strong word, eh? To what end.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are missing one key point. RIGHT NOW, the wires are connected to an LED display. Wires can be disconnected and reconnected. It's really not that hard. In fact, it often makes sense to NOT connect something to an "explodey thing" right away as you call it, because...well....ask Bill Ayers.... This is why officers and military types see these things and get concerned - and want to investigate them.

The items you describe above were not taken out of their original cases and put into a pencil case. They are in their original form.

Do you know what an IED without an explosive charge and a detonator looks like? A cell phone. By your logic, every cell phone in America is a potential "explodey thing" not yet connected up.

This is so stupid I can't even get my head around it. The boy had a clock. He told everyone it is a clock. Furthermore, it IS IN FACT A CLOCK! And your imagination about what it could eventually become based on your knowledge obtained from an extensive DVD collection and/or fear of Muslims does not actually change that.

You keep yelling "CLOCK CLOCK CLOCK". Would YOU seriously be able to tell the difference between a homemade clock and a homemade bomb in the heat of the moment? And if you did suspect it was a homemade clock would you play it safe and call the police or deal with the errant clock yourself. If you were a police officer who had a teenage muslin boy accused of bomb making in your custody would you take him at his word or wait for expert opinion?

Btw I already know how you will answer

Yes, I absolutely could tell it was a clock from the moment I laid eyes on it. I expect that his engineering teacher and the cops were able to do the exact same thing. It's a freaking clock. I know this is hard for you because obviously you don't know a thing about electronics, but it is a clock.

I have never seen the clock in question, except for a grainy photo of what looks like a briefcase bomb.

I see an LED, a circuit board, another circuit board with a connector for a 9v battery, and a transformer. All of those parts are in your computer, except the 9 volt battery connector. It would be a coin-style battery connector. Sorry if this stuff is confusing to you. You must get really freaked out going through Best Buy, not knowing for sure what is about to explode.

I also see a power cord in the photo. If there was the SAME device Mohamed made sitting randomly in a Best Buy store beeping, that wasn't part of a Best Buy display, you damn well bet someone would investigate it. And police would probably be brought in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are missing one key point. RIGHT NOW, the wires are connected to an LED display. Wires can be disconnected and reconnected. It's really not that hard. In fact, it often makes sense to NOT connect something to an "explodey thing" right away as you call it, because...well....ask Bill Ayers.... This is why officers and military types see these things and get concerned - and want to investigate them.

The items you describe above were not taken out of their original cases and put into a pencil case. They are in their original form.

Do you know what an IED without an explosive charge and a detonator looks like? A cell phone. By your logic, every cell phone in America is a potential "explodey thing" not yet connected up.

This is so stupid I can't even get my head around it. The boy had a clock. He told everyone it is a clock. Furthermore, it IS IN FACT A CLOCK! And your imagination about what it could eventually become based on your knowledge obtained from an extensive DVD collection and/or fear of Muslims does not actually change that.

You keep yelling "CLOCK CLOCK CLOCK". Would YOU seriously be able to tell the difference between a homemade clock and a homemade bomb in the heat of the moment? And if you did suspect it was a homemade clock would you play it safe and call the police or deal with the errant clock yourself. If you were a police officer who had a teenage muslin boy accused of bomb making in your custody would you take him at his word or wait for expert opinion?

Btw I already know how you will answer

Yes, I absolutely could tell it was a clock from the moment I laid eyes on it. I expect that his engineering teacher and the cops were able to do the exact same thing. It's a freaking clock. I know this is hard for you because obviously you don't know a thing about electronics, but it is a clock.

I have never seen the clock in question, except for a grainy photo of what looks like a briefcase bomb.

I see an LED, a circuit board, another circuit board with a connector for a 9v battery, and a transformer. All of those parts are in your computer, except the 9 volt battery connector. It would be a coin-style battery connector. Sorry if this stuff is confusing to you. You must get really freaked out going through Best Buy, not knowing for sure what is about to explode.

Are you really this thick or are you just a troll?

I am the one who can recognize ordinary electronics components. You are not. I assume the engineering teacher is at least as knowledgeable as I am. I'm sure that even in the "heat of the moment" he could explain it.

Does this scare you? Which part do you think scares you?

Is that what Mohamed's device looked like? Wow, all those photos in the newspapers were so, SO wrong

[Anonymous]

Was this part of a required class project?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was this part of a required class project?

No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was this part of a required class project?

No.

That's suspicious right there. No normal, red-blooded American high schooler does something outside of assigned schoolwork, and brings it in for "show and tell". They know better!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are missing one key point. RIGHT NOW, the wires are connected to an LED display. Wires can be disconnected and reconnected. It's really not that hard. In fact, it often makes sense to NOT connect something to an "explodey thing" right away as you call it, because...well....ask Bill Ayers.... This is why officers and military types see these things and get concerned - and want to investigate them.

The items you describe above were not taken out of their original cases and put into a pencil case. They are in their original form.

Do you know what an IED without an explosive charge and a detonator looks like? A cell phone. By your logic, every cell phone in America is a potential "explodey thing" not yet connected up.

This is so stupid I can't even get my head around it. The boy had a clock. He told everyone it is a clock. Furthermore, it IS IN FACT A CLOCK! And your imagination about what it could eventually become based on your knowledge obtained from an extensive DVD collection and/or fear of Muslims does not actually change that.

You keep yelling "CLOCK CLOCK CLOCK". Would YOU seriously be able to tell the difference between a homemade clock and a homemade bomb in the heat of the moment? And if you did suspect it was a homemade clock would you play it safe and call the police or deal with the errant clock yourself. If you were a police officer who had a teenage muslin boy accused of bomb making in your custody would you take him at his word or wait for expert opinion?

Btw I already know how you will answer

Yes, I absolutely could tell it was a clock from the moment I laid eyes on it. I expect that his engineering teacher and the cops were able to do the exact same thing. It's a freaking clock. I know this is hard for you because obviously you don't know a thing about electronics, but it is a clock.

I have never seen the clock in question, except for a grainy photo of what looks like a briefcase bomb.

I see an LED, a circuit board, another circuit board with a connector for a 9v battery, and a transformer. All of those parts are in your computer, except the 9 volt battery connector. It would be a coin-style battery connector. Sorry if this stuff is confusing to you. You must get really freaked out going through Best Buy, not knowing for sure what is about to explode.

Are you really this thick or are you just a troll?

I am the one who can recognize ordinary electronics components. You are not. I assume the engineering teacher is at least as knowledgeable as I am. I'm sure that even in the "heat of the moment" he could explain it.

Does this scare you? Which part do you think scares you?

Is that what Mohamed's device looked like? Wow, all those photos in the newspapers were so, SO wrong

To an engineer, the difference is one circuit board instead of two, a 5v input instead of 110, and a different onboard battery.

[Anonymous]

This is what a fake bomb looks like. Note the nearly identical circuit board to the one above, the one you felt was harmless. The key difference is the sticks of fake dynamite.




Lesson:

Circuit board displaying the time = clock.

Explosive charge = bomb

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are missing one key point. RIGHT NOW, the wires are connected to an LED display. Wires can be disconnected and reconnected. It's really not that hard. In fact, it often makes sense to NOT connect something to an "explodey thing" right away as you call it, because...well....ask Bill Ayers.... This is why officers and military types see these things and get concerned - and want to investigate them.

The items you describe above were not taken out of their original cases and put into a pencil case. They are in their original form.

Do you know what an IED without an explosive charge and a detonator looks like? A cell phone. By your logic, every cell phone in America is a potential "explodey thing" not yet connected up.

This is so stupid I can't even get my head around it. The boy had a clock. He told everyone it is a clock. Furthermore, it IS IN FACT A CLOCK! And your imagination about what it could eventually become based on your knowledge obtained from an extensive DVD collection and/or fear of Muslims does not actually change that.

You keep yelling "CLOCK CLOCK CLOCK". Would YOU seriously be able to tell the difference between a homemade clock and a homemade bomb in the heat of the moment? And if you did suspect it was a homemade clock would you play it safe and call the police or deal with the errant clock yourself. If you were a police officer who had a teenage muslin boy accused of bomb making in your custody would you take him at his word or wait for expert opinion?

Btw I already know how you will answer

Yes, I absolutely could tell it was a clock from the moment I laid eyes on it. I expect that his engineering teacher and the cops were able to do the exact same thing. It's a freaking clock. I know this is hard for you because obviously you don't know a thing about electronics, but it is a clock.

I have never seen the clock in question, except for a grainy photo of what looks like a briefcase bomb.

I see an LED, a circuit board, another circuit board with a connector for a 9v battery, and a transformer. All of those parts are in your computer, except the 9 volt battery connector. It would be a coin-style battery connector. Sorry if this stuff is confusing to you. You must get really freaked out going through Best Buy, not knowing for sure what is about to explode.

I also see a power cord in the photo. If there was the SAME device Mohamed made sitting randomly in a Best Buy store beeping, that wasn't part of a Best Buy display, you damn well bet someone would investigate it. And police would probably be brought in.

Good luck finding someone at Best Buy. But seriously, even your average Best Buy employee would be able to determine clock circuitry in a pencil box doesn't pose a danger to anyone. That however is moving the goalpost quite a bit. Ahmed didn't leave his not-a-bomb-clock sitting randomly somewhere. He didn't leave it in his locker to beep away. He carried it around with him because he was excited about his DIY project do he could share it with others and explain what it was. It's pathetic that he is being shit on because it wasn't quite "homemade" enough for the Islamophobe crowd.

[Anonymous]

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I also see a power cord in the photo. If there was the SAME device Mohamed made sitting randomly in a Best Buy store beeping, that wasn't part of a Best Buy display, you damn well bet someone would investigate it. And police would probably be brought in.

If it was being carried by an employee showing his co-workers what he built as a project, I seriously doubt it.

[Anonymous]

You people are such suckers!! This was all a setup and the facts bear it out...this was a planned situation by the family / boy to get a reaction and it worked 100%!!!! He didn't make it. He took apart an old clock and put it in the pencil case knowing that it looked suspicious...he didn't do it for a school project or for class...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was this part of a required class project?

No.

That's suspicious right there. No normal, red-blooded American high schooler does something outside of assigned schoolwork, and brings it in for "show and tell". They know better!

Well, it would be weird. Doesn't show and tell end in kindergarten (at the latest)?

[Anonymous]

Because ... Bosn-skinned Muslim.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was this part of a required class project?

No.

That's suspicious right there. No normal, red-blooded American high schooler does something outside of assigned schoolwork, and brings it in for "show and tell". They know better!

Well, it would be weird. Doesn't show and tell end in kindergarten (at the latest)?

Kids bring things in to show their teachers all the time. This is normal.