9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To add to the above (I'm the PP), this is an article about an electrician seeing a single loose wire, which he thought unusual:

“We were just trouble shooting,” Charlotin said. “One wire didn’t attach to a light. . . . I was expecting a light.”

Charlotin’s find led police to the device, plastered into a bedroom closet and wired to explode when a light switch was flipped in the single-family home. A bomb squad safely disarmed the device, which authorities described as a plastic jug filled with accelerant

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/03/25/electrician-helped-lead-authorities-incendiary-device-milton-home/KBBYLwDBprb4Tn0gfshZHO/story.html

Remember that the Columbine shooters worked in tandem. It's not only lone individuals that police have to worry about. The family was well-known in the area due to the father's activist behavior, which is why one of the officers reportedly said something to the effect that he wasn't surprised it at who he was called to interview.

That is an extraordinarily interesting case that has pretty much nothing to do with this situation.

It seems your point in posting the above, PP, is to say that "wires can be suspicious because you can hook them up to things to make them explode."

In the story above, an electrician was investigating the wiring of a house, and noticed one wire that did not lead to a light. Instead, it lead to a deeply hidden plastic jub filled with some accelerant."

So -- it was a wire connecting a source of electricty to something that would burn or explode. YES -- you got it, that is how wires can be very dangerous!

But a wire that goes from a battery to a LED display? With NO accelerant? This is called a "clock". Or if you prefer, a "non explosive clock".

Other examples of non -explosive electical wires found in a school are:

1) clocks (they hang them on the wall, and have scary wire thingies inside them... did you ever look?)
2) computers
3) calculators
4) smart boards
5) DVD players
6)TVs
7) Ipods
8_ Ipads
9) laptop computers

the list of non explody things with wires that are NOT connected to accellerants in schools is actually pretty large! So frankly, ANYONE could be working "in tandem" with a terrorist kid to hook up a timer to an exlody thingy.

You are missing one key point. RIGHT NOW, the wires are connected to an LED display. Wires can be disconnected and reconnected. It's really not that hard. In fact, it often makes sense to NOT connect something to an "explodey thing" right away as you call it, because...well....ask Bill Ayers.... This is why officers and military types see these things and get concerned - and want to investigate them.

The items you describe above were not taken out of their original cases and put into a pencil case. They are in their original form.

[Anonymous]

There's an analog clock hanging on the wall of my classroom at school. You can take the back of it off with a simple screwdriver, and find a battery with some VERY suspicious looking wires. That could be attached to explosives! No one needs to sneak in some batteries and wires and by the way SHOW HIS TEACHER what he has (really bad at being sneaky BTW)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's an analog clock hanging on the wall of my classroom at school. You can take the back of it off with a simple screwdriver, and find a battery with some VERY suspicious looking wires. That could be attached to explosives! No one needs to sneak in some batteries and wires and by the way SHOW HIS TEACHER what he has (really bad at being sneaky BTW)

You won't notice some kid taking a clock off your wall? Might I suggest you get better control over your classroom?

[Anonymous]

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You are missing one key point. RIGHT NOW, the wires are connected to an LED display. Wires can be disconnected and reconnected. It's really not that hard. In fact, it often makes sense to NOT connect something to an "explodey thing" right away as you call it, because...well....ask Bill Ayers.... This is why officers and military types see these things and get concerned - and want to investigate them.

The items you describe above were not taken out of their original cases and put into a pencil case. They are in their original form.

Do you know what an IED without an explosive charge and a detonator looks like? A cell phone. By your logic, every cell phone in America is a potential "explodey thing" not yet connected up.

This is so stupid I can't even get my head around it. The boy had a clock. He told everyone it is a clock. Furthermore, it IS IN FACT A CLOCK! And your imagination about what it could eventually become based on your knowledge obtained from an extensive DVD collection and/or fear of Muslims does not actually change that.

[Anonymous]

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You are missing one key point. RIGHT NOW, the wires are connected to an LED display. Wires can be disconnected and reconnected. It's really not that hard. In fact, it often makes sense to NOT connect something to an "explodey thing" right away as you call it, because...well....ask Bill Ayers.... This is why officers and military types see these things and get concerned - and want to investigate them.

The items you describe above were not taken out of their original cases and put into a pencil case. They are in their original form.

Do you know what an IED without an explosive charge and a detonator looks like? A cell phone. By your logic, every cell phone in America is a potential "explodey thing" not yet connected up.

This is so stupid I can't even get my head around it. The boy had a clock. He told everyone it is a clock. Furthermore, it IS IN FACT A CLOCK! And your imagination about what it could eventually become based on your knowledge obtained from an extensive DVD collection and/or fear of Muslims does not actually change that.

You keep yelling "CLOCK CLOCK CLOCK". Would YOU seriously be able to tell the difference between a homemade clock and a homemade bomb in the heat of the moment? And if you did suspect it was a homemade clock would you play it safe and call the police or deal with the errant clock yourself. If you were a police officer who had a teenage muslin boy accused of bomb making in your custody would you take him at his word or wait for expert opinion?

Btw I already know how you will answer

[Anonymous]

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You are missing one key point. RIGHT NOW, the wires are connected to an LED display. Wires can be disconnected and reconnected. It's really not that hard. In fact, it often makes sense to NOT connect something to an "explodey thing" right away as you call it, because...well....ask Bill Ayers.... This is why officers and military types see these things and get concerned - and want to investigate them.

The items you describe above were not taken out of their original cases and put into a pencil case. They are in their original form.

Do you know what an IED without an explosive charge and a detonator looks like? A cell phone. By your logic, every cell phone in America is a potential "explodey thing" not yet connected up.

This is so stupid I can't even get my head around it. The boy had a clock. He told everyone it is a clock. Furthermore, it IS IN FACT A CLOCK! And your imagination about what it could eventually become based on your knowledge obtained from an extensive DVD collection and/or fear of Muslims does not actually change that.

You keep yelling "CLOCK CLOCK CLOCK". Would YOU seriously be able to tell the difference between a homemade clock and a homemade bomb in the heat of the moment? And if you did suspect it was a homemade clock would you play it safe and call the police or deal with the errant clock yourself. If you were a police officer who had a teenage muslin boy accused of bomb making in your custody would you take him at his word or wait for expert opinion?

Btw I already know how you will answer

Yes, I absolutely could tell it was a clock from the moment I laid eyes on it. I expect that his engineering teacher and the cops were able to do the exact same thing. It's a freaking clock. I know this is hard for you because obviously you don't know a thing about electronics, but it is a clock.

[Anonymous]

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You are missing one key point. RIGHT NOW, the wires are connected to an LED display. Wires can be disconnected and reconnected. It's really not that hard. In fact, it often makes sense to NOT connect something to an "explodey thing" right away as you call it, because...well....ask Bill Ayers.... This is why officers and military types see these things and get concerned - and want to investigate them.

The items you describe above were not taken out of their original cases and put into a pencil case. They are in their original form.

Do you know what an IED without an explosive charge and a detonator looks like? A cell phone. By your logic, every cell phone in America is a potential "explodey thing" not yet connected up.

This is so stupid I can't even get my head around it. The boy had a clock. He told everyone it is a clock. Furthermore, it IS IN FACT A CLOCK! And your imagination about what it could eventually become based on your knowledge obtained from an extensive DVD collection and/or fear of Muslims does not actually change that.

You keep yelling "CLOCK CLOCK CLOCK". Would YOU seriously be able to tell the difference between a homemade clock and a homemade bomb in the heat of the moment? And if you did suspect it was a homemade clock would you play it safe and call the police or deal with the errant clock yourself. If you were a police officer who had a teenage muslin boy accused of bomb making in your custody would you take him at his word or wait for expert opinion?

Btw I already know how you will answer

Yes, I absolutely could tell it was a clock from the moment I laid eyes on it. I expect that his engineering teacher and the cops were able to do the exact same thing. It's a freaking clock. I know this is hard for you because obviously you don't know a thing about electronics, but it is a clock.

I have never seen the clock in question, except for a grainy photo of what looks like a briefcase bomb.

[Anonymous]

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You are missing one key point. RIGHT NOW, the wires are connected to an LED display. Wires can be disconnected and reconnected. It's really not that hard. In fact, it often makes sense to NOT connect something to an "explodey thing" right away as you call it, because...well....ask Bill Ayers.... This is why officers and military types see these things and get concerned - and want to investigate them.

The items you describe above were not taken out of their original cases and put into a pencil case. They are in their original form.

Do you know what an IED without an explosive charge and a detonator looks like? A cell phone. By your logic, every cell phone in America is a potential "explodey thing" not yet connected up.

This is so stupid I can't even get my head around it. The boy had a clock. He told everyone it is a clock. Furthermore, it IS IN FACT A CLOCK! And your imagination about what it could eventually become based on your knowledge obtained from an extensive DVD collection and/or fear of Muslims does not actually change that.

You keep yelling "CLOCK CLOCK CLOCK". Would YOU seriously be able to tell the difference between a homemade clock and a homemade bomb in the heat of the moment? And if you did suspect it was a homemade clock would you play it safe and call the police or deal with the errant clock yourself. If you were a police officer who had a teenage muslin boy accused of bomb making in your custody would you take him at his word or wait for expert opinion?

Btw I already know how you will answer

Yes, I absolutely could tell it was a clock from the moment I laid eyes on it. I expect that his engineering teacher and the cops were able to do the exact same thing. It's a freaking clock. I know this is hard for you because obviously you don't know a thing about electronics, but it is a clock.

I have never seen the clock in question, except for a grainy photo of what looks like a briefcase bomb.

I see an LED, a circuit board, another circuit board with a connector for a 9v battery, and a transformer. All of those parts are in your computer, except the 9 volt battery connector. It would be a coin-style battery connector. Sorry if this stuff is confusing to you. You must get really freaked out going through Best Buy, not knowing for sure what is about to explode.

[Anonymous]

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You are missing one key point. RIGHT NOW, the wires are connected to an LED display. Wires can be disconnected and reconnected. It's really not that hard. In fact, it often makes sense to NOT connect something to an "explodey thing" right away as you call it, because...well....ask Bill Ayers.... This is why officers and military types see these things and get concerned - and want to investigate them.

The items you describe above were not taken out of their original cases and put into a pencil case. They are in their original form.

Do you know what an IED without an explosive charge and a detonator looks like? A cell phone. By your logic, every cell phone in America is a potential "explodey thing" not yet connected up.

This is so stupid I can't even get my head around it. The boy had a clock. He told everyone it is a clock. Furthermore, it IS IN FACT A CLOCK! And your imagination about what it could eventually become based on your knowledge obtained from an extensive DVD collection and/or fear of Muslims does not actually change that.

You keep yelling "CLOCK CLOCK CLOCK". Would YOU seriously be able to tell the difference between a homemade clock and a homemade bomb in the heat of the moment? And if you did suspect it was a homemade clock would you play it safe and call the police or deal with the errant clock yourself. If you were a police officer who had a teenage muslin boy accused of bomb making in your custody would you take him at his word or wait for expert opinion?

Btw I already know how you will answer

Yes, I absolutely could tell it was a clock from the moment I laid eyes on it. I expect that his engineering teacher and the cops were able to do the exact same thing. It's a freaking clock. I know this is hard for you because obviously you don't know a thing about electronics, but it is a clock.

I have never seen the clock in question, except for a grainy photo of what looks like a briefcase bomb.

I see an LED, a circuit board, another circuit board with a connector for a 9v battery, and a transformer. All of those parts are in your computer, except the 9 volt battery connector. It would be a coin-style battery connector. Sorry if this stuff is confusing to you. You must get really freaked out going through Best Buy, not knowing for sure what is about to explode.

Are you really this thick or are you just a troll?

I am the one who can recognize ordinary electronics components. You are not. I assume the engineering teacher is at least as knowledgeable as I am. I'm sure that even in the "heat of the moment" he could explain it.

Does this scare you? Which part do you think scares you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm late to the party but has anyone actually considered that being Muslim had nothing to do with it?

My history teacher's (white) son was arrested for making a "bomb" as a senior prank. I think Steve Wozniak (co founder of Apple) was too.

They were never invited to the white house, asked for interviews etc.

Well Steve Wozniak got some giant-ass batteries that looked like dynamite and strapped it to a metronome. Then he rigged it so it would tick faster after someone opened the locker it was sitting in.

In other words, Wozniak ACTUALLY AND INTENTIONALLY BUILT A FAKE BOMB. So of course he got arrested.

Do you have a point or not

Yes. My point is that Wozniak made a fake explosive charge and strapped it to a timer. do you not see how that materially affects the decision to arrest the kid?

Why? Cuz the cops said, hey, Wozniak made a fake bomb so let's arrest this kid? Because of course the police carefully study the history of any famous person who plays a prank.

You are confusing posters. I was saying "do you not see how that materially affects the decision to arrest the kid (Wozniak)"

He faked an explosive charge. Of course he got arrested. In contrast, this kid built a clock, called it a clock, and never displayed anything that appeared to contain explosive.

Have you ever ask yourself why a person would take a clock apart and put it is a case so you couldn't tell it was a clock or use it unless you opened the case?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm late to the party but has anyone actually considered that being Muslim had nothing to do with it?

My history teacher's (white) son was arrested for making a "bomb" as a senior prank. I think Steve Wozniak (co founder of Apple) was too.

They were never invited to the white house, asked for interviews etc.

Surprisingly, in the previous 36 pages of discussion, nobody thought of that. Also, Ahmed didn't make a bomb and nobody involved thought it was a bomb.

Really? You have information the rest of us don't have? We haven't heard from the teacher involved that Ahmed said thought the clock would harm her.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

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Muslima wrote:OMG. It is not relevant whether the kid bought a clock, stole a clock, reassembled a clock, made a clock from spare parts, or built the clock from scratch, most educated people are in agreement of one thing: It wasn't a bomb, it wasn't a hoax bomb. Give it up already!

It is relevant that it looked like a bomb. White kids have been suspended for having gun shaped objects in school. Sorry you can't make this a Muslim thing. You and the media want it to be about islamaphobia, but it's not. The difference is if a white kid had done it, he wouldn't have been invited to the White House.

Do you support or oppose the white kid being suspended?

The problem is that schools have zero tolerance policies that force teachers to follow rules and not use their common sense.

[Anonymous]

The fact that some geeked up anonymous poster knows what it is (probably after spending thirty minutes researching it to make sure he is using the term LED correctly) and can blather on about STEM does not have much value in determining what was or was not reasonable in the circumstances.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing. 36 pages of people arguing the same crap over and over. LMAO

It's because the morons who can't tell the difference between a circuit board and a bomb. Or, a marshmallow cannon and an AK-47. It's because of the morons who still don't realize there's something wrong with the fact that nobody from the school or police ever treated the kid's clock like as though it were actually a bomb. It's because of the morons who can't ever bring themselves to admit they were wrong and who instead just double down on stupid.

Are you as stupid as you sound. If someone puts a clock inside a case, people are supposed to know there is a clock inside?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm late to the party but has anyone actually considered that being Muslim had nothing to do with it?

My history teacher's (white) son was arrested for making a "bomb" as a senior prank. I think Steve Wozniak (co founder of Apple) was too.

They were never invited to the white house, asked for interviews etc.

Surprisingly, in the previous 36 pages of discussion, nobody thought of that. Also, Ahmed didn't make a bomb and nobody involved thought it was a bomb.

Exactly, everyone immediately thought it was Islamophobia.