HS Party with Alcohol... Death

[Anonymous]

The lynch mob wants everyone else to list the names, report the people, make sure everyone pays, etc. How about just parenting your OWN kids first? Try that. Talk to them and find out what it going on. It's what I do and it works.

What's that you say... you're kids won't tell you or will lie to you? Perhaps you should do less internet finger wagging and more talking to your kids, listening to them, treating them like autonomous human beings, giving them opportunities to make decisions in the first place. How about that?

[Anonymous]

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For what, they will pay the fine for having an underage drinking party... That is not a jailable offense.

Hello, Rich people don't care about fines. The killings will continue until guilty parents get jail time for allowing underaged drinking parties in their homes. Plain and Simple. Who's kid will be next?

Then you need to work to change the law. As the PP says, furnishing alcohol and allowing possession or consumption of alcohol are not jailable offenses.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/social-host-liability-for-underage-drinking-statutes.aspx

Don't be so sure. Laws vary by state but a quick Google search pulled up this case.

In Pennsylvania, a parent received a prison sentence for involuntary manslaughter after several teenagers died in a drunk-driving accident following a party hosted by the parent. Although the parent didn’t supply the alcohol, the parent knowingly allowed the teenagers to drink alcohol at the party. Source: http://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/parents-responsibility-for-underage-drinking.html

Exactly.

Parents will continue providing the alcohol and allowing the underaged drinking parties UNTIL they risk getting put in jail. Even the fear of 24 hours in jail would be enough for most of them to stop their illegal behavior.

Thoughts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

For what, they will pay the fine for having an underage drinking party... That is not a jailable offense.

Hello, Rich people don't care about fines. The killings will continue until guilty parents get jail time for allowing underaged drinking parties in their homes. Plain and Simple. Who's kid will be next?

Then you need to work to change the law. As the PP says, furnishing alcohol and allowing possession or consumption of alcohol are not jailable offenses.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/social-host-liability-for-underage-drinking-statutes.aspx

Don't be so sure. Laws vary by state but a quick Google search pulled up this case.

In Pennsylvania, a parent received a prison sentence for involuntary manslaughter after several teenagers died in a drunk-driving accident following a party hosted by the parent. Although the parent didn’t supply the alcohol, the parent knowingly allowed the teenagers to drink alcohol at the party. Source: http://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/parents-responsibility-for-underage-drinking.html

A link for Montgomery County law would be pertinent here.
What are the penalties for:

1. Providing alcohol to an underaged drinker?

2. Allowing underaged drinkers to party in your home?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

A link for Montgomery County law would be pertinent here.
What are the penalties for:

1. Providing alcohol to an underaged drinker?

2. Allowing underaged drinkers to party in your home?

It's Maryland law, not Montgomery County law.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/social-host-liability-for-underage-drinking-statutes.aspx

Md. Criminal Law Code Ann. §10-117
(a) Furnishing alcohol. -- Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, a person may not furnish an alcoholic beverage to an individual if: (1) the person furnishing the alcoholic beverage knows that the individual is under the age of 21 years; and (2) the alcoholic beverage is furnished for the purpose of consumption by the individual under the age of 21 years.

(b) Allowing possession or consumption of alcohol. -- Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, an adult may not knowingly and willfully allow an individual under the age of 21 years actually to possess or consume an alcoholic beverage at a residence, or within the curtilage of a residence that the adult owns or leases and in which the adult resides.

(c) Exceptions. -- (1) The prohibition set forth in subsection (a) of this section does not apply if the person furnishing the alcoholic beverage and the individual to whom the alcoholic beverage is furnished: (i) are members of the same immediate family, and the alcoholic beverage is furnished and consumed in a private residence or within the curtilage of the residence; or (ii) are participants in a religious ceremony.
(2) The prohibition set forth in subsection (b) of this section does not apply if the adult allowing the possession or consumption of the alcoholic beverage and the individual under the age of 21 years who possesses or consumes the alcoholic beverage: (i) are members of the same immediate family, and the alcoholic beverage is possessed and consumed in a private residence, or within the curtilage of the residence, of the adult; or (ii) are participants in a religious ceremony.

Md. Criminal Law Code §10-121
(b) Penalties. -- An adult who violates §10-116 or §10-117 of this subtitle is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to: (1) a fine not exceeding $ 2,500 for a first offense; or (2) a fine not exceeding $ 5,000 for a second or subsequent offense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

For what, they will pay the fine for having an underage drinking party... That is not a jailable offense.

Hello, Rich people don't care about fines. The killings will continue until guilty parents get jail time for allowing underaged drinking parties in their homes. Plain and Simple. Who's kid will be next?

Then you need to work to change the law. As the PP says, furnishing alcohol and allowing possession or consumption of alcohol are not jailable offenses.
http://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/social-host-liability-for-underage-drinking-statutes.aspx

Don't be so sure. Laws vary by state but a quick Google search pulled up this case.

In Pennsylvania, a parent received a prison sentence for involuntary manslaughter after several teenagers died in a drunk-driving accident following a party hosted by the parent. Although the parent didn’t supply the alcohol, the parent knowingly allowed the teenagers to drink alcohol at the party. Source: http://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/parents-responsibility-for-underage-drinking.html

Exactly.

Parents will continue providing the alcohol and allowing the underaged drinking parties UNTIL they risk getting put in jail. Even the fear of 24 hours in jail would be enough for most of them to stop their illegal behavior.

So dead teenagers isn't enough to change parents' behavior, but the risk of a night in jail as a result of dead teenagers would be enough? That seems hard to believe.

[Anonymous]

Don't you think most parents believe that the party car crash will be some other family's bad luck?

After all, *my* kid is a "good" kid, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A link for Montgomery County law would be pertinent here.
What are the penalties for:

1. Providing alcohol to an underaged drinker?

2. Allowing underaged drinkers to party in your home?

It's Maryland law, not Montgomery County law.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/social-host-liability-for-underage-drinking-statutes.aspx

Md. Criminal Law Code Ann. §10-117
(a) Furnishing alcohol. -- Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, a person may not furnish an alcoholic beverage to an individual if: (1) the person furnishing the alcoholic beverage knows that the individual is under the age of 21 years; and (2) the alcoholic beverage is furnished for the purpose of consumption by the individual under the age of 21 years.

(b) Allowing possession or consumption of alcohol. -- Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, an adult may not knowingly and willfully allow an individual under the age of 21 years actually to possess or consume an alcoholic beverage at a residence, or within the curtilage of a residence that the adult owns or leases and in which the adult resides.

(c) Exceptions. -- (1) The prohibition set forth in subsection (a) of this section does not apply if the person furnishing the alcoholic beverage and the individual to whom the alcoholic beverage is furnished: (i) are members of the same immediate family, and the alcoholic beverage is furnished and consumed in a private residence or within the curtilage of the residence; or (ii) are participants in a religious ceremony.
(2) The prohibition set forth in subsection (b) of this section does not apply if the adult allowing the possession or consumption of the alcoholic beverage and the individual under the age of 21 years who possesses or consumes the alcoholic beverage: (i) are members of the same immediate family, and the alcoholic beverage is possessed and consumed in a private residence, or within the curtilage of the residence, of the adult; or (ii) are participants in a religious ceremony.

Md. Criminal Law Code §10-121
(b) Penalties. -- An adult who violates §10-116 or §10-117 of this subtitle is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to: (1) a fine not exceeding $ 2,500 for a first offense; or (2) a fine not exceeding $ 5,000 for a second or subsequent offense.

Thank you. Would love to see the list of individuals who actually received a penalty in the last 12 months.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was zero, especially for Potomac area parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't you think most parents believe that the party car crash will be some other family's bad luck?

After all, *my* kid is a "good" kid, right?

Do I think that most parents don't care if their kid's friend dies in a drunk-driving car wreck? No, I don't think that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Thank you. Would love to see the list of individuals who actually received a penalty in the last 12 months.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was zero, especially for Potomac area parents.

If you want this information, you can get it. And you'd be doing something more useful with your time than obsessing about parents in Potomac/North Potomac on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A link for Montgomery County law would be pertinent here.
What are the penalties for:

1. Providing alcohol to an underaged drinker?

2. Allowing underaged drinkers to party in your home?

It's Maryland law, not Montgomery County law.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/social-host-liability-for-underage-drinking-statutes.aspx

Md. Criminal Law Code Ann. §10-117
(a) Furnishing alcohol. -- Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, a person may not furnish an alcoholic beverage to an individual if: (1) the person furnishing the alcoholic beverage knows that the individual is under the age of 21 years; and (2) the alcoholic beverage is furnished for the purpose of consumption by the individual under the age of 21 years.

(b) Allowing possession or consumption of alcohol. -- Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, an adult may not knowingly and willfully allow an individual under the age of 21 years actually to possess or consume an alcoholic beverage at a residence, or within the curtilage of a residence that the adult owns or leases and in which the adult resides.

(c) Exceptions. -- (1) The prohibition set forth in subsection (a) of this section does not apply if the person furnishing the alcoholic beverage and the individual to whom the alcoholic beverage is furnished: (i) are members of the same immediate family, and the alcoholic beverage is furnished and consumed in a private residence or within the curtilage of the residence; or (ii) are participants in a religious ceremony.
(2) The prohibition set forth in subsection (b) of this section does not apply if the adult allowing the possession or consumption of the alcoholic beverage and the individual under the age of 21 years who possesses or consumes the alcoholic beverage: (i) are members of the same immediate family, and the alcoholic beverage is possessed and consumed in a private residence, or within the curtilage of the residence, of the adult; or (ii) are participants in a religious ceremony.

Md. Criminal Law Code §10-121
(b) Penalties. -- An adult who violates §10-116 or §10-117 of this subtitle is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to: (1) a fine not exceeding $ 2,500 for a first offense; or (2) a fine not exceeding $ 5,000 for a second or subsequent offense.

Thank you. Would love to see the list of individuals who actually received a penalty in the last 12 months.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was zero, especially for Potomac area parents.

I want to know too. I'm one of the prior posters who has repeatedly stated that I want to know and they should be prosecuted. But please stop with the Potomac stuff. The families involved were in a different town. Potomac and N Potomac are not the same. Regardless, I live in Potomac where we are in probably the cheapest house for miles and we're solidly middle class. I think the focus on Potomac is a distraction from the real issue. Parents shouldn't let kids drink. It's time the legal system took this seriously. I haven't seen or heard of parents being prosecuted in other parts of Montgomery County, DC, PG County or Fairfax either. I want to see a list. Sex offenders have to register. Let these homeowners be mandated to register too. The shame (not the money) might do the trick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A link for Montgomery County law would be pertinent here.
What are the penalties for:

1. Providing alcohol to an underaged drinker?

2. Allowing underaged drinkers to party in your home?

It's Maryland law, not Montgomery County law.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/social-host-liability-for-underage-drinking-statutes.aspx

Md. Criminal Law Code Ann. §10-117
(a) Furnishing alcohol. -- Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, a person may not furnish an alcoholic beverage to an individual if: (1) the person furnishing the alcoholic beverage knows that the individual is under the age of 21 years; and (2) the alcoholic beverage is furnished for the purpose of consumption by the individual under the age of 21 years.

(b) Allowing possession or consumption of alcohol. -- Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, an adult may not knowingly and willfully allow an individual under the age of 21 years actually to possess or consume an alcoholic beverage at a residence, or within the curtilage of a residence that the adult owns or leases and in which the adult resides.

(c) Exceptions. -- (1) The prohibition set forth in subsection (a) of this section does not apply if the person furnishing the alcoholic beverage and the individual to whom the alcoholic beverage is furnished: (i) are members of the same immediate family, and the alcoholic beverage is furnished and consumed in a private residence or within the curtilage of the residence; or (ii) are participants in a religious ceremony.
(2) The prohibition set forth in subsection (b) of this section does not apply if the adult allowing the possession or consumption of the alcoholic beverage and the individual under the age of 21 years who possesses or consumes the alcoholic beverage: (i) are members of the same immediate family, and the alcoholic beverage is possessed and consumed in a private residence, or within the curtilage of the residence, of the adult; or (ii) are participants in a religious ceremony.

Md. Criminal Law Code §10-121
(b) Penalties. -- An adult who violates §10-116 or §10-117 of this subtitle is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to: (1) a fine not exceeding $ 2,500 for a first offense; or (2) a fine not exceeding $ 5,000 for a second or subsequent offense.

Thank you. Would love to see the list of individuals who actually received a penalty in the last 12 months.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was zero, especially for Potomac area parents.

Call Captain Tom Didone, ask him who is in charge of the alcohol unit. They will have the answer, let us know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A link for Montgomery County law would be pertinent here.
What are the penalties for:

1. Providing alcohol to an underaged drinker?

2. Allowing underaged drinkers to party in your home?

It's Maryland law, not Montgomery County law.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/social-host-liability-for-underage-drinking-statutes.aspx

Md. Criminal Law Code Ann. §10-117
(a) Furnishing alcohol. -- Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, a person may not furnish an alcoholic beverage to an individual if: (1) the person furnishing the alcoholic beverage knows that the individual is under the age of 21 years; and (2) the alcoholic beverage is furnished for the purpose of consumption by the individual under the age of 21 years.

(b) Allowing possession or consumption of alcohol. -- Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, an adult may not knowingly and willfully allow an individual under the age of 21 years actually to possess or consume an alcoholic beverage at a residence, or within the curtilage of a residence that the adult owns or leases and in which the adult resides.

(c) Exceptions. -- (1) The prohibition set forth in subsection (a) of this section does not apply if the person furnishing the alcoholic beverage and the individual to whom the alcoholic beverage is furnished: (i) are members of the same immediate family, and the alcoholic beverage is furnished and consumed in a private residence or within the curtilage of the residence; or (ii) are participants in a religious ceremony.
(2) The prohibition set forth in subsection (b) of this section does not apply if the adult allowing the possession or consumption of the alcoholic beverage and the individual under the age of 21 years who possesses or consumes the alcoholic beverage: (i) are members of the same immediate family, and the alcoholic beverage is possessed and consumed in a private residence, or within the curtilage of the residence, of the adult; or (ii) are participants in a religious ceremony.

Md. Criminal Law Code §10-121
(b) Penalties. -- An adult who violates §10-116 or §10-117 of this subtitle is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to: (1) a fine not exceeding $ 2,500 for a first offense; or (2) a fine not exceeding $ 5,000 for a second or subsequent offense.

This law just applies to hosting parties. When attendees die as a direct result, other laws may apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The lynch mob wants everyone else to list the names, report the people, make sure everyone pays, etc. How about just parenting your OWN kids first? Try that. Talk to them and find out what it going on. It's what I do and it works.

What's that you say... you're kids won't tell you or will lie to you? Perhaps you should do less internet finger wagging and more talking to your kids, listening to them, treating them like autonomous human beings, giving them opportunities to make decisions in the first place. How about that?

It's not a lynch mob mentality. We want to keep our kids safe (and other people's kids!). Why do you feel like it's ok to deflect the blame? The whole point is they broke the law. People died.

[Anonymous]

It is called Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor (but 18 is not a minor... so there is that)

But as you can see, most likely MoCO is not going to charge this, maybe, but most likely not.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/03/AR2007070302331.html

The idea of putting people in jail for non-violent offenses (like giving alcohol to a minor, or selling drugs) is not the way the tide is turning... see http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/13/obama-inmates-freed_n_7786126.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

A link for Montgomery County law would be pertinent here.
What are the penalties for:

1. Providing alcohol to an underaged drinker?

2. Allowing underaged drinkers to party in your home?

It's Maryland law, not Montgomery County law.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/social-host-liability-for-underage-drinking-statutes.aspx

Md. Criminal Law Code Ann. §10-117
(a) Furnishing alcohol. -- Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, a person may not furnish an alcoholic beverage to an individual if: (1) the person furnishing the alcoholic beverage knows that the individual is under the age of 21 years; and (2) the alcoholic beverage is furnished for the purpose of consumption by the individual under the age of 21 years.

(b) Allowing possession or consumption of alcohol. -- Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section, an adult may not knowingly and willfully allow an individual under the age of 21 years actually to possess or consume an alcoholic beverage at a residence, or within the curtilage of a residence that the adult owns or leases and in which the adult resides.

(c) Exceptions. -- (1) The prohibition set forth in subsection (a) of this section does not apply if the person furnishing the alcoholic beverage and the individual to whom the alcoholic beverage is furnished: (i) are members of the same immediate family, and the alcoholic beverage is furnished and consumed in a private residence or within the curtilage of the residence; or (ii) are participants in a religious ceremony.
(2) The prohibition set forth in subsection (b) of this section does not apply if the adult allowing the possession or consumption of the alcoholic beverage and the individual under the age of 21 years who possesses or consumes the alcoholic beverage: (i) are members of the same immediate family, and the alcoholic beverage is possessed and consumed in a private residence, or within the curtilage of the residence, of the adult; or (ii) are participants in a religious ceremony.

Md. Criminal Law Code §10-121
(b) Penalties. -- An adult who violates §10-116 or §10-117 of this subtitle is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to: (1) a fine not exceeding $ 2,500 for a first offense; or (2) a fine not exceeding $ 5,000 for a second or subsequent offense.

Thank you. Would love to see the list of individuals who actually received a penalty in the last 12 months.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was zero, especially for Potomac area parents.

Actually, from what I've heard from police, Potomac and Bethesda keep them busy.