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Anonymous wrote:The Wootten community finds itself defending certain actions and attitudes that to much of the county appear indefensible. Sometimes we are unsure just how to frame our response in terms of reason. We are not arguing against the Gaithersburg community as persons, but for the preservation of the neighborhood school and the geographic integrity of our communities, which are the only sure safeguards of our academic and neighborhood heritage.

That last sentence negates your argument. You want a bubble around your community to preserve the heritage. Again displaying the underlying classist attitudes coming from Wootton pkwy.

And Silver Spring and Damascus and Olney and go ahead and name all the communities in Montgomery County that are exactly the same.

Public school policy and governance are not based on the feelings of one supreme leader. They are based on laws, policies and procedures. If you don't understand that then MCPS really failed you in your education.

The nature of public school means no boundaries are forever and nothing is guaranteed. You want certainties then go private.

Duh. That's why there are laws and policies in place for how to make these changes. You want a king? Go live at the White House.

Process has been followed. Sorry you don't like the outcome.

Not even close. Sorry you can’t read.

DP- I've read this whole thread and there are a lot of assertions of improper process and violations of COMAR, etc. But not one person has identified a single process step that is required that has not been met, or a COMAR language that has been violated.

COMAR is probably not the place to find an issue; it defers a lot to the local school board. They'd have to assert that there was a breach in MCPS not following its own policies.

That said, there's two different arguments at play: whether the process followed the legal requirements vs. whether the process was done in a way that felt like a good, transparent process.

Even as a Pro-H person, the process has felt immensely chaotic. We looked over the initial 4 options, which were wildly different, because they were emphasizing different parts of the Policy FAA criteria. After freaking out about some of the options (option 3 was sheer lunacy), options A-D were presented which looked mostly fine in October.

Then the superintendent threw a bomb into the whole process by suggesting Crown as a holding school. Then Option H was included among the other options of Crown being a holding school, making Wootton the holding school and moving Wootton to Crown in December.

So, we started this process in July and the entire premise was upended more than half way through. Never mind that concurrently, they're also pushing through the biggest changes to the criteria programs in generations at the same time and arguing that the regional programs and boundary study are interlinked.

The process has generally been bad at setting expectations and getting community buy-in. We still have a lot of unanswered questions about the criteria program, but the Wootton issue is sucking so much oxygen that it's getting left behind.

For the Wootton move, I don't think a delay would make a huge difference; there's been plenty of vocal feedback and I'm not sure what new information can be surfaced with holding more hearings. The situation is the situation, MCPS has the data that they have, and the decision needs to be made soon so that the school is ready to open on-time.

I think the end result given the situation as it stands makes the most sense. Enrollment is declining, Wootton's current building is in bad shape, Wootton is close to the Crown building and its school boundaries are adjacent to the new building. It sucks that it's come to this point, because they neglected the Wootton building enough that it's in such poor shape and they stuck to poor projections that showed a new high school was needed. It's not great, but MCPS needs to think county and system wide.

there you go being reasonable and sensible. DCUM is not the place for reason! teach reasoning to your kids, not adults arguing on an anonymous platform

But my property values! Didn’t MCPS consider the cost of my kitchen renovations and how I have no ROI now. That lack of consideration much have violated COMAR somehow

I am the tiny townhome PP. i thought i was paying for a W but now it will be crown. have some mercy please.

Crown will also be a wealthy school and those crown homes are worth far more than yours. Why overpay for a crummy townhome? What is small? 4000 square feet? Just move and you can still have your kids at a W school.

The single family homes in Crown sell for over $1.6million and some of the town houses sell for close to that. Crown is generally an affluent neighborhood.

+1. Crown *will* be a W school (though DCUM will need to come up with a name to replace "W"). It will be current Wootton plus some additional more expensive homes plus some additional less expensive homes. Yes, the FARMs rate will go up a bit, but not that much. And that doesn't actually matter for what you're looking for. Technically, the school's average SAT score may go down (irrelevant), but the whole current Wootton population will be there, so it will have just as many APs, just as many serious students. The reality of any school is that for most classes (and pretty much all after sophomore year) the strong students are generally separated academically from the weaker students by virtue of class choice.

I feel for current-walkers who will now be bus riders. But otherwise, this is a really positive outcome for the community as a whole.

You fundamentally don't understand what a W school is. It's not a positive outcome for anyone who sought out Wootton for it's culture and academic rigor. That will be gone now. You can't sustain it when the community is not on board. The tests results will reflect that, which you've already acknowledged and dismissed as "irrelevant".

People with means who don't like the result will leave, and now there's a new forcing function for high achievers to leave MCPS. For Taylor and some here, that is a positive outcome for the community as a whole.

I can always tell when an Asian parent is posting. Give it a rest. Wootton was actually great even before it rose to 36% Asian. I know that’s so hard for you to believe.

Glad this has been brought up. I have wondered… the talk of Wootton’s legacy. It was a thriving, academically successful school before it became heavily Asian. So what’s the argument then when it remains successful with less Asians? The Asian Excellence of it all seems like a reach to make a relocation seem like it’s disproportionately affecting a group. And give me a break on the language nonsense. With the plethora of translation tools out there on browsers and such, lack of language access is a lame argument.

Seems gross to use Asians as pawn to fight the relocation.

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Anonymous wrote:The Wootten community finds itself defending certain actions and attitudes that to much of the county appear indefensible. Sometimes we are unsure just how to frame our response in terms of reason. We are not arguing against the Gaithersburg community as persons, but for the preservation of the neighborhood school and the geographic integrity of our communities, which are the only sure safeguards of our academic and neighborhood heritage.

That last sentence negates your argument. You want a bubble around your community to preserve the heritage. Again displaying the underlying classist attitudes coming from Wootton pkwy.

And Silver Spring and Damascus and Olney and go ahead and name all the communities in Montgomery County that are exactly the same.

Public school policy and governance are not based on the feelings of one supreme leader. They are based on laws, policies and procedures. If you don't understand that then MCPS really failed you in your education.

The nature of public school means no boundaries are forever and nothing is guaranteed. You want certainties then go private.

Duh. That's why there are laws and policies in place for how to make these changes. You want a king? Go live at the White House.

Process has been followed. Sorry you don't like the outcome.

Not even close. Sorry you can’t read.

DP- I've read this whole thread and there are a lot of assertions of improper process and violations of COMAR, etc. But not one person has identified a single process step that is required that has not been met, or a COMAR language that has been violated.

COMAR is probably not the place to find an issue; it defers a lot to the local school board. They'd have to assert that there was a breach in MCPS not following its own policies.

That said, there's two different arguments at play: whether the process followed the legal requirements vs. whether the process was done in a way that felt like a good, transparent process.

Even as a Pro-H person, the process has felt immensely chaotic. We looked over the initial 4 options, which were wildly different, because they were emphasizing different parts of the Policy FAA criteria. After freaking out about some of the options (option 3 was sheer lunacy), options A-D were presented which looked mostly fine in October.

Then the superintendent threw a bomb into the whole process by suggesting Crown as a holding school. Then Option H was included among the other options of Crown being a holding school, making Wootton the holding school and moving Wootton to Crown in December.

So, we started this process in July and the entire premise was upended more than half way through. Never mind that concurrently, they're also pushing through the biggest changes to the criteria programs in generations at the same time and arguing that the regional programs and boundary study are interlinked.

The process has generally been bad at setting expectations and getting community buy-in. We still have a lot of unanswered questions about the criteria program, but the Wootton issue is sucking so much oxygen that it's getting left behind.

For the Wootton move, I don't think a delay would make a huge difference; there's been plenty of vocal feedback and I'm not sure what new information can be surfaced with holding more hearings. The situation is the situation, MCPS has the data that they have, and the decision needs to be made soon so that the school is ready to open on-time.

I think the end result given the situation as it stands makes the most sense. Enrollment is declining, Wootton's current building is in bad shape, Wootton is close to the Crown building and its school boundaries are adjacent to the new building. It sucks that it's come to this point, because they neglected the Wootton building enough that it's in such poor shape and they stuck to poor projections that showed a new high school was needed. It's not great, but MCPS needs to think county and system wide.

there you go being reasonable and sensible. DCUM is not the place for reason! teach reasoning to your kids, not adults arguing on an anonymous platform

But my property values! Didn’t MCPS consider the cost of my kitchen renovations and how I have no ROI now. That lack of consideration much have violated COMAR somehow

I am the tiny townhome PP. i thought i was paying for a W but now it will be crown. have some mercy please.

Crown will also be a wealthy school and those crown homes are worth far more than yours. Why overpay for a crummy townhome? What is small? 4000 square feet? Just move and you can still have your kids at a W school.

The single family homes in Crown sell for over $1.6million and some of the town houses sell for close to that. Crown is generally an affluent neighborhood.

+1. Crown *will* be a W school (though DCUM will need to come up with a name to replace "W"). It will be current Wootton plus some additional more expensive homes plus some additional less expensive homes. Yes, the FARMs rate will go up a bit, but not that much. And that doesn't actually matter for what you're looking for. Technically, the school's average SAT score may go down (irrelevant), but the whole current Wootton population will be there, so it will have just as many APs, just as many serious students. The reality of any school is that for most classes (and pretty much all after sophomore year) the strong students are generally separated academically from the weaker students by virtue of class choice.

I feel for current-walkers who will now be bus riders. But otherwise, this is a really positive outcome for the community as a whole.

You fundamentally don't understand what a W school is. It's not a positive outcome for anyone who sought out Wootton for it's culture and academic rigor. That will be gone now. You can't sustain it when the community is not on board. The tests results will reflect that, which you've already acknowledged and dismissed as "irrelevant".

People with means who don't like the result will leave, and now there's a new forcing function for high achievers to leave MCPS. For Taylor and some here, that is a positive outcome for the community as a whole.

Wow what an assumption that the academic rigor and test results will suffer because they get a new building?!?

You know what happens when you assume?

They cannot come up with any real justifications so they are stretching. With a new building and new science labs and tech they could offer more.

The research is there. Go read it. Again, why isn’t Magruder getting Crown first? Don’t you want a majority minority school to get it?

Confused. I thought Wootton was a majority minority school but you are saying only Magruder is?

It's a moot point - there is no world where Magruder goes to Crown in 2027. Even if Crown were to open as a holding school, Magruder still isn't on the CIP. It's a misleading bait and switch to suggest the choices are the Wootton goes to Crown or Magruder does. There is no choice where Magruder goes to Crown. To be clear, this sucks for Magruder and I think pretty much everyone agrees they are not being treated equitably - but it's also not a good cudgel for anti-H as there are no choices on the table that address Magruder's needs. Wootton walkers centering them because they think it makes their argument more palatable is gross.

I thought Wootton was being “wronged” because they are a majority minority school? Isn’t that what those opposed to the move think or am I wrong?

Are Asians a minority or not?

At Wootton, no.

Can’t even tell if this is a troll comment or not. That’s how crazy and confusing this is

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Anonymous wrote:The Wootten community finds itself defending certain actions and attitudes that to much of the county appear indefensible. Sometimes we are unsure just how to frame our response in terms of reason. We are not arguing against the Gaithersburg community as persons, but for the preservation of the neighborhood school and the geographic integrity of our communities, which are the only sure safeguards of our academic and neighborhood heritage.

That last sentence negates your argument. You want a bubble around your community to preserve the heritage. Again displaying the underlying classist attitudes coming from Wootton pkwy.

And Silver Spring and Damascus and Olney and go ahead and name all the communities in Montgomery County that are exactly the same.

Public school policy and governance are not based on the feelings of one supreme leader. They are based on laws, policies and procedures. If you don't understand that then MCPS really failed you in your education.

The nature of public school means no boundaries are forever and nothing is guaranteed. You want certainties then go private.

Duh. That's why there are laws and policies in place for how to make these changes. You want a king? Go live at the White House.

Process has been followed. Sorry you don't like the outcome.

Not even close. Sorry you can’t read.

DP- I've read this whole thread and there are a lot of assertions of improper process and violations of COMAR, etc. But not one person has identified a single process step that is required that has not been met, or a COMAR language that has been violated.

COMAR is probably not the place to find an issue; it defers a lot to the local school board. They'd have to assert that there was a breach in MCPS not following its own policies.

That said, there's two different arguments at play: whether the process followed the legal requirements vs. whether the process was done in a way that felt like a good, transparent process.

Even as a Pro-H person, the process has felt immensely chaotic. We looked over the initial 4 options, which were wildly different, because they were emphasizing different parts of the Policy FAA criteria. After freaking out about some of the options (option 3 was sheer lunacy), options A-D were presented which looked mostly fine in October.

Then the superintendent threw a bomb into the whole process by suggesting Crown as a holding school. Then Option H was included among the other options of Crown being a holding school, making Wootton the holding school and moving Wootton to Crown in December.

So, we started this process in July and the entire premise was upended more than half way through. Never mind that concurrently, they're also pushing through the biggest changes to the criteria programs in generations at the same time and arguing that the regional programs and boundary study are interlinked.

The process has generally been bad at setting expectations and getting community buy-in. We still have a lot of unanswered questions about the criteria program, but the Wootton issue is sucking so much oxygen that it's getting left behind.

For the Wootton move, I don't think a delay would make a huge difference; there's been plenty of vocal feedback and I'm not sure what new information can be surfaced with holding more hearings. The situation is the situation, MCPS has the data that they have, and the decision needs to be made soon so that the school is ready to open on-time.

I think the end result given the situation as it stands makes the most sense. Enrollment is declining, Wootton's current building is in bad shape, Wootton is close to the Crown building and its school boundaries are adjacent to the new building. It sucks that it's come to this point, because they neglected the Wootton building enough that it's in such poor shape and they stuck to poor projections that showed a new high school was needed. It's not great, but MCPS needs to think county and system wide.

there you go being reasonable and sensible. DCUM is not the place for reason! teach reasoning to your kids, not adults arguing on an anonymous platform

But my property values! Didn’t MCPS consider the cost of my kitchen renovations and how I have no ROI now. That lack of consideration much have violated COMAR somehow

I am the tiny townhome PP. i thought i was paying for a W but now it will be crown. have some mercy please.

Crown will also be a wealthy school and those crown homes are worth far more than yours. Why overpay for a crummy townhome? What is small? 4000 square feet? Just move and you can still have your kids at a W school.

The single family homes in Crown sell for over $1.6million and some of the town houses sell for close to that. Crown is generally an affluent neighborhood.

+1. Crown *will* be a W school (though DCUM will need to come up with a name to replace "W"). It will be current Wootton plus some additional more expensive homes plus some additional less expensive homes. Yes, the FARMs rate will go up a bit, but not that much. And that doesn't actually matter for what you're looking for. Technically, the school's average SAT score may go down (irrelevant), but the whole current Wootton population will be there, so it will have just as many APs, just as many serious students. The reality of any school is that for most classes (and pretty much all after sophomore year) the strong students are generally separated academically from the weaker students by virtue of class choice.

I feel for current-walkers who will now be bus riders. But otherwise, this is a really positive outcome for the community as a whole.

You fundamentally don't understand what a W school is. It's not a positive outcome for anyone who sought out Wootton for it's culture and academic rigor. That will be gone now. You can't sustain it when the community is not on board. The tests results will reflect that, which you've already acknowledged and dismissed as "irrelevant".

People with means who don't like the result will leave, and now there's a new forcing function for high achievers to leave MCPS. For Taylor and some here, that is a positive outcome for the community as a whole.

Wow what an assumption that the academic rigor and test results will suffer because they get a new building?!?

You know what happens when you assume?

They cannot come up with any real justifications so they are stretching. With a new building and new science labs and tech they could offer more.

The research is there. Go read it. Again, why isn’t Magruder getting Crown first? Don’t you want a majority minority school to get it?

Confused. I thought Wootton was a majority minority school but you are saying only Magruder is?

It's a moot point - there is no world where Magruder goes to Crown in 2027. Even if Crown were to open as a holding school, Magruder still isn't on the CIP. It's a misleading bait and switch to suggest the choices are the Wootton goes to Crown or Magruder does. There is no choice where Magruder goes to Crown. To be clear, this sucks for Magruder and I think pretty much everyone agrees they are not being treated equitably - but it's also not a good cudgel for anti-H as there are no choices on the table that address Magruder's needs. Wootton walkers centering them because they think it makes their argument more palatable is gross.

I thought Wootton was being “wronged” because they are a majority minority school? Isn’t that what those opposed to the move think or am I wrong?

Are Asians a minority or not?

At Wootton, no.

The school composition is like OAR, right? Three white, one Asian, one multiracial guy?

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Anonymous wrote:I know Wootton graduates from the heyday of Wootton in the late 90s and early aughts. Lots of them aren’t super successful. Lots of them are super successful. I know wooton dropouts from the heyday. I know those that overdosed and died after graduating. I know some of had babies in their teens. All this to say - going to “super academic rigor” high schools doesn’t equal success for your kids. I know more successful people from Gaithersburg, Watkins mill, BALTIMORE CITY. Your kids will be OKAY. Just love them and support them. That’s the most important thing for your kids.

What is Wootton’s graduation rate compared to all other MoCo high schools? That alone demonstrates academic rigor and discipline. Graduation from high school is a key indicator of success (but obviously not a guaranty).

Can you guaranty that Crown will have the same graduation and quality of college acceptance rate as Wootton does?

Not PP but this is an absurd question. Even Wootton itself can't make that guarantee year over year.

And even if the answer is no, it still doesn't change the assessment of Option H when looking at the totality fo the factors and taking into account the best interests of all MCPS students.

Not the PP, but it would appear the Pp was responding to the claim that Crown will have an increase in performance. Seems like a valid question to ask if that’s a guaranty, and if not, this may explain some of the Wootton concerns. They bought into A 55-year old, high performing school. To say surprise, you’re moving and have less than 2 months for input into what appears to have been a done deal much earlier than that, would be a concern to anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:The Wootten community finds itself defending certain actions and attitudes that to much of the county appear indefensible. Sometimes we are unsure just how to frame our response in terms of reason. We are not arguing against the Gaithersburg community as persons, but for the preservation of the neighborhood school and the geographic integrity of our communities, which are the only sure safeguards of our academic and neighborhood heritage.

That last sentence negates your argument. You want a bubble around your community to preserve the heritage. Again displaying the underlying classist attitudes coming from Wootton pkwy.

And Silver Spring and Damascus and Olney and go ahead and name all the communities in Montgomery County that are exactly the same.

Public school policy and governance are not based on the feelings of one supreme leader. They are based on laws, policies and procedures. If you don't understand that then MCPS really failed you in your education.

The nature of public school means no boundaries are forever and nothing is guaranteed. You want certainties then go private.

Duh. That's why there are laws and policies in place for how to make these changes. You want a king? Go live at the White House.

Process has been followed. Sorry you don't like the outcome.

Not even close. Sorry you can’t read.

DP- I've read this whole thread and there are a lot of assertions of improper process and violations of COMAR, etc. But not one person has identified a single process step that is required that has not been met, or a COMAR language that has been violated.

COMAR is probably not the place to find an issue; it defers a lot to the local school board. They'd have to assert that there was a breach in MCPS not following its own policies.

That said, there's two different arguments at play: whether the process followed the legal requirements vs. whether the process was done in a way that felt like a good, transparent process.

Even as a Pro-H person, the process has felt immensely chaotic. We looked over the initial 4 options, which were wildly different, because they were emphasizing different parts of the Policy FAA criteria. After freaking out about some of the options (option 3 was sheer lunacy), options A-D were presented which looked mostly fine in October.

Then the superintendent threw a bomb into the whole process by suggesting Crown as a holding school. Then Option H was included among the other options of Crown being a holding school, making Wootton the holding school and moving Wootton to Crown in December.

So, we started this process in July and the entire premise was upended more than half way through. Never mind that concurrently, they're also pushing through the biggest changes to the criteria programs in generations at the same time and arguing that the regional programs and boundary study are interlinked.

The process has generally been bad at setting expectations and getting community buy-in. We still have a lot of unanswered questions about the criteria program, but the Wootton issue is sucking so much oxygen that it's getting left behind.

For the Wootton move, I don't think a delay would make a huge difference; there's been plenty of vocal feedback and I'm not sure what new information can be surfaced with holding more hearings. The situation is the situation, MCPS has the data that they have, and the decision needs to be made soon so that the school is ready to open on-time.

I think the end result given the situation as it stands makes the most sense. Enrollment is declining, Wootton's current building is in bad shape, Wootton is close to the Crown building and its school boundaries are adjacent to the new building. It sucks that it's come to this point, because they neglected the Wootton building enough that it's in such poor shape and they stuck to poor projections that showed a new high school was needed. It's not great, but MCPS needs to think county and system wide.

there you go being reasonable and sensible. DCUM is not the place for reason! teach reasoning to your kids, not adults arguing on an anonymous platform

But my property values! Didn’t MCPS consider the cost of my kitchen renovations and how I have no ROI now. That lack of consideration much have violated COMAR somehow

I am the tiny townhome PP. i thought i was paying for a W but now it will be crown. have some mercy please.

Crown will also be a wealthy school and those crown homes are worth far more than yours. Why overpay for a crummy townhome? What is small? 4000 square feet? Just move and you can still have your kids at a W school.

The single family homes in Crown sell for over $1.6million and some of the town houses sell for close to that. Crown is generally an affluent neighborhood.

+1. Crown *will* be a W school (though DCUM will need to come up with a name to replace "W"). It will be current Wootton plus some additional more expensive homes plus some additional less expensive homes. Yes, the FARMs rate will go up a bit, but not that much. And that doesn't actually matter for what you're looking for. Technically, the school's average SAT score may go down (irrelevant), but the whole current Wootton population will be there, so it will have just as many APs, just as many serious students. The reality of any school is that for most classes (and pretty much all after sophomore year) the strong students are generally separated academically from the weaker students by virtue of class choice.

I feel for current-walkers who will now be bus riders. But otherwise, this is a really positive outcome for the community as a whole.

You fundamentally don't understand what a W school is. It's not a positive outcome for anyone who sought out Wootton for it's culture and academic rigor. That will be gone now. You can't sustain it when the community is not on board. The tests results will reflect that, which you've already acknowledged and dismissed as "irrelevant".

People with means who don't like the result will leave, and now there's a new forcing function for high achievers to leave MCPS. For Taylor and some here, that is a positive outcome for the community as a whole.

Wow what an assumption that the academic rigor and test results will suffer because they get a new building?!?

You know what happens when you assume?

They cannot come up with any real justifications so they are stretching. With a new building and new science labs and tech they could offer more.

The research is there. Go read it. Again, why isn’t Magruder getting Crown first? Don’t you want a majority minority school to get it?

Confused. I thought Wootton was a majority minority school but you are saying only Magruder is?

It's a moot point - there is no world where Magruder goes to Crown in 2027. Even if Crown were to open as a holding school, Magruder still isn't on the CIP. It's a misleading bait and switch to suggest the choices are the Wootton goes to Crown or Magruder does. There is no choice where Magruder goes to Crown. To be clear, this sucks for Magruder and I think pretty much everyone agrees they are not being treated equitably - but it's also not a good cudgel for anti-H as there are no choices on the table that address Magruder's needs. Wootton walkers centering them because they think it makes their argument more palatable is gross.

I thought Wootton was being “wronged” because they are a majority minority school? Isn’t that what those opposed to the move think or am I wrong?

Are Asians a minority or not?

At Wootton, no.

Can’t even tell if this is a troll comment or not. That’s how crazy and confusing this is

Right? But one of the arguments for Magruder going to Crown before Wootton is they are a majority minority school. Isn’t Wootton also?

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Anonymous wrote:I know Wootton graduates from the heyday of Wootton in the late 90s and early aughts. Lots of them aren’t super successful. Lots of them are super successful. I know wooton dropouts from the heyday. I know those that overdosed and died after graduating. I know some of had babies in their teens. All this to say - going to “super academic rigor” high schools doesn’t equal success for your kids. I know more successful people from Gaithersburg, Watkins mill, BALTIMORE CITY. Your kids will be OKAY. Just love them and support them. That’s the most important thing for your kids.

What is Wootton’s graduation rate compared to all other MoCo high schools? That alone demonstrates academic rigor and discipline. Graduation from high school is a key indicator of success (but obviously not a guaranty).

Can you guaranty that Crown will have the same graduation and quality of college acceptance rate as Wootton does?

Not PP but this is an absurd question. Even Wootton itself can't make that guarantee year over year.

And even if the answer is no, it still doesn't change the assessment of Option H when looking at the totality fo the factors and taking into account the best interests of all MCPS students.

Not the PP, but it would appear the Pp was responding to the claim that Crown will have an increase in performance. Seems like a valid question to ask if that’s a guaranty, and if not, this may explain some of the Wootton concerns. They bought into A 55-year old, high performing school. To say surprise, you’re moving and have less than 2 months for input into what appears to have been a done deal much earlier than that, would be a concern to anyone.

can no one spell guarantee? maybe that's a bad indicator

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Anonymous wrote:The Wootten community finds itself defending certain actions and attitudes that to much of the county appear indefensible. Sometimes we are unsure just how to frame our response in terms of reason. We are not arguing against the Gaithersburg community as persons, but for the preservation of the neighborhood school and the geographic integrity of our communities, which are the only sure safeguards of our academic and neighborhood heritage.

That last sentence negates your argument. You want a bubble around your community to preserve the heritage. Again displaying the underlying classist attitudes coming from Wootton pkwy.

And Silver Spring and Damascus and Olney and go ahead and name all the communities in Montgomery County that are exactly the same.

Public school policy and governance are not based on the feelings of one supreme leader. They are based on laws, policies and procedures. If you don't understand that then MCPS really failed you in your education.

The nature of public school means no boundaries are forever and nothing is guaranteed. You want certainties then go private.

Duh. That's why there are laws and policies in place for how to make these changes. You want a king? Go live at the White House.

Process has been followed. Sorry you don't like the outcome.

Not even close. Sorry you can’t read.

DP- I've read this whole thread and there are a lot of assertions of improper process and violations of COMAR, etc. But not one person has identified a single process step that is required that has not been met, or a COMAR language that has been violated.

COMAR is probably not the place to find an issue; it defers a lot to the local school board. They'd have to assert that there was a breach in MCPS not following its own policies.

That said, there's two different arguments at play: whether the process followed the legal requirements vs. whether the process was done in a way that felt like a good, transparent process.

Even as a Pro-H person, the process has felt immensely chaotic. We looked over the initial 4 options, which were wildly different, because they were emphasizing different parts of the Policy FAA criteria. After freaking out about some of the options (option 3 was sheer lunacy), options A-D were presented which looked mostly fine in October.

Then the superintendent threw a bomb into the whole process by suggesting Crown as a holding school. Then Option H was included among the other options of Crown being a holding school, making Wootton the holding school and moving Wootton to Crown in December.

So, we started this process in July and the entire premise was upended more than half way through. Never mind that concurrently, they're also pushing through the biggest changes to the criteria programs in generations at the same time and arguing that the regional programs and boundary study are interlinked.

The process has generally been bad at setting expectations and getting community buy-in. We still have a lot of unanswered questions about the criteria program, but the Wootton issue is sucking so much oxygen that it's getting left behind.

For the Wootton move, I don't think a delay would make a huge difference; there's been plenty of vocal feedback and I'm not sure what new information can be surfaced with holding more hearings. The situation is the situation, MCPS has the data that they have, and the decision needs to be made soon so that the school is ready to open on-time.

I think the end result given the situation as it stands makes the most sense. Enrollment is declining, Wootton's current building is in bad shape, Wootton is close to the Crown building and its school boundaries are adjacent to the new building. It sucks that it's come to this point, because they neglected the Wootton building enough that it's in such poor shape and they stuck to poor projections that showed a new high school was needed. It's not great, but MCPS needs to think county and system wide.

there you go being reasonable and sensible. DCUM is not the place for reason! teach reasoning to your kids, not adults arguing on an anonymous platform

But my property values! Didn’t MCPS consider the cost of my kitchen renovations and how I have no ROI now. That lack of consideration much have violated COMAR somehow

I am the tiny townhome PP. i thought i was paying for a W but now it will be crown. have some mercy please.

Crown will also be a wealthy school and those crown homes are worth far more than yours. Why overpay for a crummy townhome? What is small? 4000 square feet? Just move and you can still have your kids at a W school.

The single family homes in Crown sell for over $1.6million and some of the town houses sell for close to that. Crown is generally an affluent neighborhood.

+1. Crown *will* be a W school (though DCUM will need to come up with a name to replace "W"). It will be current Wootton plus some additional more expensive homes plus some additional less expensive homes. Yes, the FARMs rate will go up a bit, but not that much. And that doesn't actually matter for what you're looking for. Technically, the school's average SAT score may go down (irrelevant), but the whole current Wootton population will be there, so it will have just as many APs, just as many serious students. The reality of any school is that for most classes (and pretty much all after sophomore year) the strong students are generally separated academically from the weaker students by virtue of class choice.

I feel for current-walkers who will now be bus riders. But otherwise, this is a really positive outcome for the community as a whole.

You fundamentally don't understand what a W school is. It's not a positive outcome for anyone who sought out Wootton for it's culture and academic rigor. That will be gone now. You can't sustain it when the community is not on board. The tests results will reflect that, which you've already acknowledged and dismissed as "irrelevant".

People with means who don't like the result will leave, and now there's a new forcing function for high achievers to leave MCPS. For Taylor and some here, that is a positive outcome for the community as a whole.

I can always tell when an Asian parent is posting. Give it a rest. Wootton was actually great even before it rose to 36% Asian. I know that’s so hard for you to believe.

Glad this has been brought up. I have wondered… the talk of Wootton’s legacy. It was a thriving, academically successful school before it became heavily Asian. So what’s the argument then when it remains successful with less Asians? The Asian Excellence of it all seems like a reach to make a relocation seem like it’s disproportionately affecting a group. And give me a break on the language nonsense. With the plethora of translation tools out there on browsers and such, lack of language access is a lame argument.

Seems gross to use Asians as pawn to fight the relocation.

Right!

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If you want an Asian only school, start a private or charter.

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Anonymous wrote:I know Wootton graduates from the heyday of Wootton in the late 90s and early aughts. Lots of them aren’t super successful. Lots of them are super successful. I know wooton dropouts from the heyday. I know those that overdosed and died after graduating. I know some of had babies in their teens. All this to say - going to “super academic rigor” high schools doesn’t equal success for your kids. I know more successful people from Gaithersburg, Watkins mill, BALTIMORE CITY. Your kids will be OKAY. Just love them and support them. That’s the most important thing for your kids.

What is Wootton’s graduation rate compared to all other MoCo high schools? That alone demonstrates academic rigor and discipline. Graduation from high school is a key indicator of success (but obviously not a guaranty).

Can you guaranty that Crown will have the same graduation and quality of college acceptance rate as Wootton does?

Not PP but this is an absurd question. Even Wootton itself can't make that guarantee year over year.

And even if the answer is no, it still doesn't change the assessment of Option H when looking at the totality fo the factors and taking into account the best interests of all MCPS students.

Not the PP, but it would appear the Pp was responding to the claim that Crown will have an increase in performance. Seems like a valid question to ask if that’s a guaranty, and if not, this may explain some of the Wootton concerns. They bought into A 55-year old, high performing school. To say surprise, you’re moving and have less than 2 months for input into what appears to have been a done deal much earlier than that, would be a concern to anyone.

can no one spell guarantee? maybe that's a bad indicator

Don’t forget the poor math in this fight to Save Wootton here on DCUM. What percent of the school remains legacy feeders vs. new schools feeding in? Also affect and effect. A few indicators that the excellence is already declining. Although I have more hope for the kids who are actually excited for the move. The parents are the ones lacking civility and basic reading / writing / ‘rithmetic it seems.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want an Asian only school, start a private or charter.

So how does this work? I have friends who have kids that are multiracial - they go half time? Or they get in because they are 50% Asian? But what about the quarters? Also some vetting perhaps because there are some Asians who aren’t tiger parenting well. I have seen some supporting H so obviously their judgement is off. Their kids can’t be let in.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want an Asian only school, start a private or charter.

So how does this work? I have friends who have kids that are multiracial - they go half time? Or they get in because they are 50% Asian? But what about the quarters? Also some vetting perhaps because there are some Asians who aren’t tiger parenting well. I have seen some supporting H so obviously their judgement is off. Their kids can’t be let in.

and what about middle eastern people - I feel like much of the Middle East is technically in Asia - or Russians.. Are they Asian?

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Anonymous wrote:If you want an Asian only school, start a private or charter.

Back on the ballot?! They can rent out the vacant Wootton building when everyone moves to Crown.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want an Asian only school, start a private or charter.

So how does this work? I have friends who have kids that are multiracial - they go half time? Or they get in because they are 50% Asian? But what about the quarters? Also some vetting perhaps because there are some Asians who aren’t tiger parenting well. I have seen some supporting H so obviously their judgement is off. Their kids can’t be let in.

You'd have to ask the parents trying to self-segregate and don't want the undesirables at their school. I'm surprised they don't lobby to remove any student with an under a 3.5 GPA from the school.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want an Asian only school, start a private or charter.

Back on the ballot?! They can rent out the vacant Wootton building when everyone moves to Crown.

Perfect.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want an Asian only school, start a private or charter.

This. Or stay in Asia - always a surefire way to get an all Asian school. Imagine immigrating to a country and being mad the whole school doesn’t look like you. This is insane.

You’re getting this wrong. It’s not that the whole school needs to be Asian. The 40% is cool. It’s more about the grades and SAT scores. If you can hang with keeping them up, no problem because you keep the academic excellence up and therefore property values up. There’s hierarchy within the Asian groups anyway. Some are better than others. They aren’t all welcomed.

So, simple solution. Expel any student who gets below a 3.5 and 1400.