Taylor's Feb Rec for Crown Boundary Study

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

There is research, cited multiple times on this thread, that contradicts your "common sense."

Feel free to share the research. I’d like to read it.

There is a LOT of great research on this, but here’s one of my favorite summaries. It breaks down the positive benefits both for kids from lower-income backgrounds and those from the higher-resourced communities:

https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students/

So DEI, got it. Did you ever stop to consider that Wootton is quite diverse already? And that there are low income students attending Wootton already?

Yes! That’s part of why we’re saying that it’s not common sense that “there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown).” The rigorous research contradicts that and, as you’ve cleverly highlighted, the less rigorous but still valid case study of the 14% of kids receiving FARMs contradicts that as well.

Thanks for admitting this closure is based on DEI. Also, the academic research is clear that low performing kids, particularly disruptive ones, will cause a decline in the learning environment and overall school performance.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

There is research, cited multiple times on this thread, that contradicts your "common sense."

Feel free to share the research. I’d like to read it.

There is a LOT of great research on this, but here’s one of my favorite summaries. It breaks down the positive benefits both for kids from lower-income backgrounds and those from the higher-resourced communities:

https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students/

So DEI, got it. Did you ever stop to consider that Wootton is quite diverse already? And that there are low income students attending Wootton already?

Yes! That’s part of why we’re saying that it’s not common sense that “there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown).” The rigorous research contradicts that and, as you’ve cleverly highlighted, the less rigorous but still valid case study of the 14% of kids receiving FARMs contradicts that as well.

Thanks for admitting this closure is based on DEI. Also, the academic research is clear that low performing kids, particularly disruptive ones, will cause a decline in the learning environment and overall school performance.

You’re welcome? MCPS’s mandate is to provide equitable opportunities for all kids that they serve - not to protect and segregate the Wootton kids who already come in with so much more than so many of their peers. If you’re coming to the table with an unshakable belief that DEI is an evil rather than a mechanism to improve outcomes for all kids, then you are starting in a place where there isn’t any credible research that is going to help you. But the research I shared shows that it might just help make sure your kid isn’t back on this board 20 years from now carrying on your legacy of yelling about DEI.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

There is research, cited multiple times on this thread, that contradicts your "common sense."

Feel free to share the research. I’d like to read it.

There is a LOT of great research on this, but here’s one of my favorite summaries. It breaks down the positive benefits both for kids from lower-income backgrounds and those from the higher-resourced communities:

https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students/

So DEI, got it. Did you ever stop to consider that Wootton is quite diverse already? And that there are low income students attending Wootton already?

Yes! That’s part of why we’re saying that it’s not common sense that “there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown).” The rigorous research contradicts that and, as you’ve cleverly highlighted, the less rigorous but still valid case study of the 14% of kids receiving FARMs contradicts that as well.

Thanks for admitting this closure is based on DEI. Also, the academic research is clear that low performing kids, particularly disruptive ones, will cause a decline in the learning environment and overall school performance.

You’re welcome? MCPS’s mandate is to provide equitable opportunities for all kids that they serve - not to protect and segregate the Wootton kids who already come in with so much more than so many of their peers. If you’re coming to the table with an unshakable belief that DEI is an evil rather than a mechanism to improve outcomes for all kids, then you are starting in a place where there isn’t any credible research that is going to help you. But the research I shared shows that it might just help make sure your kid isn’t back on this board 20 years from now carrying on your legacy of yelling about DEI.

DEI has caused more harm than good. This is why businesses abandoned it once it became safe to do so. Unfortunately, school systems are the last to recognize its massive shortcomings.

[Anonymous]

“DEI”, “Kamala Harris”, “destroying a W School”, “Closing not moving,” “Electric vehicle buses”, “Taylor will stay bought”.

I’m willing to bet the person posting all these separate topics is the same individual who lives in an echo chamber where these empty signifiers have acquired an irrational and subjective meaning that must be violently fought against at all times...like Quijote before the windmills. Thankfully the county is larger than just their mind…

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

There is research, cited multiple times on this thread, that contradicts your "common sense."

Feel free to share the research. I’d like to read it.

There is a LOT of great research on this, but here’s one of my favorite summaries. It breaks down the positive benefits both for kids from lower-income backgrounds and those from the higher-resourced communities:

https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students/

So DEI, got it. Did you ever stop to consider that Wootton is quite diverse already? And that there are low income students attending Wootton already?

Yes! That’s part of why we’re saying that it’s not common sense that “there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown).” The rigorous research contradicts that and, as you’ve cleverly highlighted, the less rigorous but still valid case study of the 14% of kids receiving FARMs contradicts that as well.

Thanks for admitting this closure is based on DEI. Also, the academic research is clear that low performing kids, particularly disruptive ones, will cause a decline in the learning environment and overall school performance.

Wootton is being moved due to parent and staff concerns about the condition of the building. Your post is offensive.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

There is research, cited multiple times on this thread, that contradicts your "common sense."

Feel free to share the research. I’d like to read it.

There is a LOT of great research on this, but here’s one of my favorite summaries. It breaks down the positive benefits both for kids from lower-income backgrounds and those from the higher-resourced communities:

https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students/

So DEI, got it. Did you ever stop to consider that Wootton is quite diverse already? And that there are low income students attending Wootton already?

Yes! That’s part of why we’re saying that it’s not common sense that “there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown).” The rigorous research contradicts that and, as you’ve cleverly highlighted, the less rigorous but still valid case study of the 14% of kids receiving FARMs contradicts that as well.

Thanks for admitting this closure is based on DEI. Also, the academic research is clear that low performing kids, particularly disruptive ones, will cause a decline in the learning environment and overall school performance.

You’re welcome? MCPS’s mandate is to provide equitable opportunities for all kids that they serve - not to protect and segregate the Wootton kids who already come in with so much more than so many of their peers. If you’re coming to the table with an unshakable belief that DEI is an evil rather than a mechanism to improve outcomes for all kids, then you are starting in a place where there isn’t any credible research that is going to help you. But the research I shared shows that it might just help make sure your kid isn’t back on this board 20 years from now carrying on your legacy of yelling about DEI.

MCPS is in no way equitable or other schools would have the same courses, clubs, and activities Wootton has. They are being moved to a new school due to parent concerns over the condition of the building. Parents had a fit, MCPS listened.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

There is research, cited multiple times on this thread, that contradicts your "common sense."

Feel free to share the research. I’d like to read it.

There is a LOT of great research on this, but here’s one of my favorite summaries. It breaks down the positive benefits both for kids from lower-income backgrounds and those from the higher-resourced communities:

https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students/

So DEI, got it. Did you ever stop to consider that Wootton is quite diverse already? And that there are low income students attending Wootton already?

Yes! That’s part of why we’re saying that it’s not common sense that “there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown).” The rigorous research contradicts that and, as you’ve cleverly highlighted, the less rigorous but still valid case study of the 14% of kids receiving FARMs contradicts that as well.

Thanks for admitting this closure is based on DEI. Also, the academic research is clear that low performing kids, particularly disruptive ones, will cause a decline in the learning environment and overall school performance.

So, by your logic, any child not in advanced classes and under a 3.0 GPA should not be allowed to attend Wootton. And, no kids of low-income parents as they don't meet the profile, even if they are high performing, and special needs, forget it, just ban them, even if they have high GPA's.

[Anonymous]

The same Wootton poster (maybe 2?) keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper. It’s giving predictable and boring.

Wootton babe - get some new PR. The stench is coming from the inside AND you still won’t be able to stay on the parkway.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

There is research, cited multiple times on this thread, that contradicts your "common sense."

Feel free to share the research. I’d like to read it.

There is a LOT of great research on this, but here’s one of my favorite summaries. It breaks down the positive benefits both for kids from lower-income backgrounds and those from the higher-resourced communities:

https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students/

So DEI, got it. Did you ever stop to consider that Wootton is quite diverse already? And that there are low income students attending Wootton already?

Yes! That’s part of why we’re saying that it’s not common sense that “there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown).” The rigorous research contradicts that and, as you’ve cleverly highlighted, the less rigorous but still valid case study of the 14% of kids receiving FARMs contradicts that as well.

Thanks for admitting this closure is based on DEI. Also, the academic research is clear that low performing kids, particularly disruptive ones, will cause a decline in the learning environment and overall school performance.

You’re welcome? MCPS’s mandate is to provide equitable opportunities for all kids that they serve - not to protect and segregate the Wootton kids who already come in with so much more than so many of their peers. If you’re coming to the table with an unshakable belief that DEI is an evil rather than a mechanism to improve outcomes for all kids, then you are starting in a place where there isn’t any credible research that is going to help you. But the research I shared shows that it might just help make sure your kid isn’t back on this board 20 years from now carrying on your legacy of yelling about DEI.

MCPS is in no way equitable or other schools would have the same courses, clubs, and activities Wootton has. They are being moved to a new school due to parent concerns over the condition of the building. Parents had a fit, MCPS listened.

Incorrect. Taylor is closing Wootton to fill a school building that should have never been built. MCPS built Crown using wildly inaccurate pre-Covid enrollment projections to avoid losing land that had been set aside in 2006 on the condition MCPS build a school there within 20 years. Wootton was taken off the CIP 3 separate times over the years. If MCPS really cared about what Wootton parents thought, it wouldn’t have done so.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

There is research, cited multiple times on this thread, that contradicts your "common sense."

Feel free to share the research. I’d like to read it.

There is a LOT of great research on this, but here’s one of my favorite summaries. It breaks down the positive benefits both for kids from lower-income backgrounds and those from the higher-resourced communities:

https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students/

So DEI, got it. Did you ever stop to consider that Wootton is quite diverse already? And that there are low income students attending Wootton already?

Yes! That’s part of why we’re saying that it’s not common sense that “there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown).” The rigorous research contradicts that and, as you’ve cleverly highlighted, the less rigorous but still valid case study of the 14% of kids receiving FARMs contradicts that as well.

Thanks for admitting this closure is based on DEI. Also, the academic research is clear that low performing kids, particularly disruptive ones, will cause a decline in the learning environment and overall school performance.

You’re welcome? MCPS’s mandate is to provide equitable opportunities for all kids that they serve - not to protect and segregate the Wootton kids who already come in with so much more than so many of their peers. If you’re coming to the table with an unshakable belief that DEI is an evil rather than a mechanism to improve outcomes for all kids, then you are starting in a place where there isn’t any credible research that is going to help you. But the research I shared shows that it might just help make sure your kid isn’t back on this board 20 years from now carrying on your legacy of yelling about DEI.

MCPS is in no way equitable or other schools would have the same courses, clubs, and activities Wootton has. They are being moved to a new school due to parent concerns over the condition of the building. Parents had a fit, MCPS listened.

Incorrect. Taylor is closing Wootton to fill a school building that should have never been built. MCPS built Crown using wildly inaccurate pre-Covid enrollment projections to avoid losing land that had been set aside in 2006 on the condition MCPS build a school there within 20 years. Wootton was taken off the CIP 3 separate times over the years. If MCPS really cared about what Wootton parents thought, it wouldn’t have done so.

Both things can be true. Accepting that Wootton should not have been built and that Wootton should have been on the CIP and improved years ago, we are where we are. And that is with overall under-enrollment, a brand new building, and an old building in dire need of repair/replacement. And therefore the choice that meets the needs of most students in the most fiscally sound manner is to move Wootton to Crown.

[Anonymous]

It is a certain level of out of touch that allows Wootton families to turn up their noses at a brand new building. Saying you'd rather stay in the disgusting conditions of your current school than move 3 miles away and/or share with other people, is really telling.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

There is research, cited multiple times on this thread, that contradicts your "common sense."

Feel free to share the research. I’d like to read it.

There is a LOT of great research on this, but here’s one of my favorite summaries. It breaks down the positive benefits both for kids from lower-income backgrounds and those from the higher-resourced communities:

https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students/

So DEI, got it. Did you ever stop to consider that Wootton is quite diverse already? And that there are low income students attending Wootton already?

Yes! That’s part of why we’re saying that it’s not common sense that “there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown).” The rigorous research contradicts that and, as you’ve cleverly highlighted, the less rigorous but still valid case study of the 14% of kids receiving FARMs contradicts that as well.

Thanks for admitting this closure is based on DEI. Also, the academic research is clear that low performing kids, particularly disruptive ones, will cause a decline in the learning environment and overall school performance.

You’re welcome? MCPS’s mandate is to provide equitable opportunities for all kids that they serve - not to protect and segregate the Wootton kids who already come in with so much more than so many of their peers. If you’re coming to the table with an unshakable belief that DEI is an evil rather than a mechanism to improve outcomes for all kids, then you are starting in a place where there isn’t any credible research that is going to help you. But the research I shared shows that it might just help make sure your kid isn’t back on this board 20 years from now carrying on your legacy of yelling about DEI.

MCPS is in no way equitable or other schools would have the same courses, clubs, and activities Wootton has. They are being moved to a new school due to parent concerns over the condition of the building. Parents had a fit, MCPS listened.

Incorrect. Taylor is closing Wootton to fill a school building that should have never been built. MCPS built Crown using wildly inaccurate pre-Covid enrollment projections to avoid losing land that had been set aside in 2006 on the condition MCPS build a school there within 20 years. Wootton was taken off the CIP 3 separate times over the years. If MCPS really cared about what Wootton parents thought, it wouldn’t have done so.

Both things can be true. Accepting that Wootton should not have been built and that Wootton should have been on the CIP and improved years ago, we are where we are. And that is with overall under-enrollment, a brand new building, and an old building in dire need of repair/replacement. And therefore the choice that meets the needs of most students in the most fiscally sound manner is to move Wootton to Crown.

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Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

Their property values will not change over school boundaries. It may change because of what is going on in the country right now.

Not only will the property values change, but a huge draw for the county will be gone. High income earners that are looking to put down roots are looking at the ratio of home price to academic cluster success. Wootton clears that hurdle for many, and the resulting Crown will not. Taylor has no skin in the game and will not feel the effects, but the County will.

1. There is no (research-backed) reason to believe that Wootton at Crown will be meaningfully less "successful" than the current location.
2. The county will not lose high income earners because of this move. There are plenty of other locations within the county with the same "ratio" that you describe.

Of course there isn’t any Crown specific research. It’s not open yet. But it’s common sense that there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown). Wootton at Crown may recover in 5-10 years, but the damage will be done.

Yes, the county will lose high income earners, likely to Virginia, as there will be one less “W” school.

There is research, cited multiple times on this thread, that contradicts your "common sense."

Feel free to share the research. I’d like to read it.

There is a LOT of great research on this, but here’s one of my favorite summaries. It breaks down the positive benefits both for kids from lower-income backgrounds and those from the higher-resourced communities:

https://tcf.org/content/report/how-racially-diverse-schools-and-classrooms-can-benefit-all-students/

So DEI, got it. Did you ever stop to consider that Wootton is quite diverse already? And that there are low income students attending Wootton already?

Yes! That’s part of why we’re saying that it’s not common sense that “there will be a dip (potentially significant, depending on the past performance of the non-Wootton kids who get to go to Crown).” The rigorous research contradicts that and, as you’ve cleverly highlighted, the less rigorous but still valid case study of the 14% of kids receiving FARMs contradicts that as well.

Thanks for admitting this closure is based on DEI. Also, the academic research is clear that low performing kids, particularly disruptive ones, will cause a decline in the learning environment and overall school performance.

You’re welcome? MCPS’s mandate is to provide equitable opportunities for all kids that they serve - not to protect and segregate the Wootton kids who already come in with so much more than so many of their peers. If you’re coming to the table with an unshakable belief that DEI is an evil rather than a mechanism to improve outcomes for all kids, then you are starting in a place where there isn’t any credible research that is going to help you. But the research I shared shows that it might just help make sure your kid isn’t back on this board 20 years from now carrying on your legacy of yelling about DEI.

MCPS is in no way equitable or other schools would have the same courses, clubs, and activities Wootton has. They are being moved to a new school due to parent concerns over the condition of the building. Parents had a fit, MCPS listened.

I do not zoned to wootton, but I am all ears to hear what courses, clubs or activities that Wootton has that most other MCPS HS unfortunately cannot or do not have due to monetary or human resources. Why do I get the feeling that Wootton families think they should be treated differently compared to other county taxpayers?

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Anonymous wrote:It is a certain level of out of touch that allows Wootton families to turn up their noses at a brand new building. Saying you'd rather stay in the disgusting conditions of your current school than move 3 miles away and/or share with other people, is really telling.

It’s a certain level of out of touch to build a brand new school based on pre-Covid enrollment projections created 5 years earlier to justify not losing prime real estate in the heart of Crown. It’s almost like MCPS always planned to close Wootton the minute shovels hit the dirt, but didn’t want to say anything until it was too late. That would be consistent with the PP’s assertion that DEI is the reason for the Wootton closure.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a certain level of out of touch that allows Wootton families to turn up their noses at a brand new building. Saying you'd rather stay in the disgusting conditions of your current school than move 3 miles away and/or share with other people, is really telling.

It’s a certain level of out of touch to build a brand new school based on pre-Covid enrollment projections created 5 years earlier to justify not losing prime real estate in the heart of Crown. It’s almost like MCPS always planned to close Wootton the minute shovels hit the dirt, but didn’t want to say anything until it was too late. That would be consistent with the PP’s assertion that DEI is the reason for the Wootton closure.

OK, so the Crown school should never have been built. Accepted.

But it IS there. And the most appropriate thing for MCPS to do it to move the Wootton students to that building and change boundaries to reduce overcrowding in some schools.

You keep arguing an irrelevant point.