Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

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Anonymous wrote:Zionists controlling America really has brainwashed it's citizens to actually think people fighting against US imperialism are the bad guys when it's the opposite, or are Americans that horrible of people?

You've persuaded me: we Americans are all horrible people.

Sounds like you'd fit right in with Columbia University Apartheid Divest:

"As the fascism ingrained in the American consciousness becomes ever more explicit and irrefutable, we seek community and instruction from militants in the Global South, who have been on the frontlines in the fight against tyranny and domination which undergird the imperialist world order."

https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/anti-israel-columbia-students-call-for-total-eradication-of-western-civilization-divest-palestine-hamas-bangladesh-protests-demonstrations

Yes, horrible people support Western Imperalism. That's not an opinion, it's a fact and the fact that only young extreme leftist students have the brains to believe that in America is beyond disgusting.

So are you suggesting (like CUAD) violent attacks on the West?

This is the problem right here acting like the victim even though the US is the main one that has had a history of violence so anything else is simply resistance.

Is that a "yes"? Are you endorsing violence against America?

Just saying being against Western Imperialism and resisting against is very much justified worldwide.

Again, is that a “yes”, you do support violence against the US?’

Sure sounds like it but you’re too chickensh*t to say it.

Yes to all resistance against occupiers including USA. there

And there we have it.

DCUM poster calling for violence against the United States.

FFS

You sound very uneducated.

If only you knew….

Liberals like you truly are worse than Conservatives.

Worse than EVERYONE.

That poster tried playing the pathetic “I’m actually more educated than everyone!” card, but then they were at least wise enough to STFU before anyone started matching their posts up with that bravado.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Glad they punted this guy. He's a Hamas propagandists. We have US citizens serving long sentences for the same.

+1. He's not a US citizen. He is here at US discretion.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad they punted this guy. He's a Hamas propagandists. We have US citizens serving long sentences for the same.

+1. He's not a US citizen. He is here at US discretion.

Why do you think you are a citizen person of the US? It is obvious you are not.

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Anonymous wrote:Zionists controlling America really has brainwashed it's citizens to actually think people fighting against US imperialism are the bad guys when it's the opposite, or are Americans that horrible of people?

You've persuaded me: we Americans are all horrible people.

Sounds like you'd fit right in with Columbia University Apartheid Divest:

"As the fascism ingrained in the American consciousness becomes ever more explicit and irrefutable, we seek community and instruction from militants in the Global South, who have been on the frontlines in the fight against tyranny and domination which undergird the imperialist world order."

https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/anti-israel-columbia-students-call-for-total-eradication-of-western-civilization-divest-palestine-hamas-bangladesh-protests-demonstrations

Yes, horrible people support Western Imperalism. That's not an opinion, it's a fact and the fact that only young extreme leftist students have the brains to believe that in America is beyond disgusting.

So are you suggesting (like CUAD) violent attacks on the West?

This is the problem right here acting like the victim even though the US is the main one that has had a history of violence so anything else is simply resistance.

Is that a "yes"? Are you endorsing violence against America?

Just saying being against Western Imperialism and resisting against is very much justified worldwide.

Again, is that a “yes”, you do support violence against the US?’

Sure sounds like it but you’re too chickensh*t to say it.

Yes to all resistance against occupiers including USA. there

And there we have it.

DCUM poster calling for violence against the United States.

FFS

You sound very uneducated.

If only you knew….

Liberals like you truly are worse than Conservatives.

Worse than EVERYONE.

That poster tried playing the pathetic “I’m actually more educated than everyone!” card, but then they were at least wise enough to STFU before anyone started matching their posts up with that bravado.

Yeah it surely is crazy to see that is what modern liberalism and the Democratic party is today, supporting things you would that would be a Conservative war hawk would support, while blaming everything on the far left. Is this what DCUM is full of or what? What's the general political consensus?

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Anonymous wrote:It is clear why he is being deported. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

It's common sense this guy and those like him are people who shouldn't be here.

Looking at this, it appears the federal government can legally deport greed card holders based on their advocating or expressing support for terrorist acts.

That said, the terrorist label has become a red herring. Clearly Palestinians and Israelis disagree on who gets to live where on the land. A world where wars are fought as humanely as possible is also clearly a good thing.

But the Palestinians don't have an army, air force or navy. I'm pretty sure Israel would never allow that. So is it surprising the Palestinians resort to terror and other asymmetrical tactics? Should Palestinian jihadists declare war on Israel and attempt to march on Israeli military bases? If the Palestinians are denied access to a regular conventional army it seems a terror response is to be expected.


If a Palestinian militant goes home to an apartment building and the IDF blows the building up killing dozens of people, is the claim that Hamas hides among civilians absolve the IDF from any culpability?

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Anonymous wrote:It is clear why he is being deported. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

It's common sense this guy and those like him are people who shouldn't be here.

Looking at this, it appears the federal government can legally deport greed card holders based on their advocating or expressing support for terrorist acts.

That said, the terrorist label has become a red herring. Clearly Palestinians and Israelis disagree on who gets to live where on the land. A world where wars are fought as humanely as possible is also clearly a good thing.

But the Palestinians don't have an army, air force or navy. I'm pretty sure Israel would never allow that. So is it surprising the Palestinians resort to terror and other asymmetrical tactics? Should Palestinian jihadists declare war on Israel and attempt to march on Israeli military bases? If the Palestinians are denied access to a regular conventional army it seems a terror response is to be expected.


If a Palestinian militant goes home to an apartment building and the IDF blows the building up killing dozens of people, is the claim that Hamas hides among civilians absolve the IDF from any culpability?

Plenty of oppressed people in the world. A few great leaders found non violent ways to protest and free them: MLK, Gandhi to name a couple. Their causes were no less just. This guy is not one of those great leaders. He has called for and celebrated violence against civilians. He has therefore violated the terms of his probationary acceptance into the US and needs to be deported. Why would we accept any person advocating for violence? It puts our own country and citizens at risk. The ends do not justify the means.

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Anonymous wrote:These last several posts are the machinations of sick, deranged people. The protests were about calling for a ceasefire to stop the CURRENT indiscriminate Israeli slaughter of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. Which, incidentally, the entire world, aside from the U.S. and Israel, agree on. That’s it.

No support for Hamas. No endorsement or support, material or otherwise, for any organization that harms / harmed innocents. No indifference to the plight of the hostages, or their loved ones desperately seeking their safe return. No calls for the destruction of Israel. No calls for harm to Jewish individuals here or anywhere else. None of that.

The distortion of those facts, on the basis of an enduring hatred and disdain of others perceived as lesser than, is astounding. All of you making these claims are truly unwell.

“Unwell” are people like you with your continual and unending gaslighting. Do you think we can’t see the videos and photos released by actual protestors at the protests? You don’t think we see the Hamas armbands? The backpacks with paragliders on them? The official statements from various groups comparing the 10/7 murderers to freedom fighters? The silence on the hostages, the tearing down of photos of kidnapped babies, the vandalism, and the violence?

We saw all that. And you can’t pretend it didn’t happen.

You are the unwell one, with your delusions and your lies. But unfortunately for you, the student protestors were proud of their support of Hamas, and let us all know about it through their own actions, which they helpfully documented. And so the country reacted accordingly.

Nobody expected a true believer like you to recognize that you are truly unwell. And the post wasn’t intended to relieve you of those delusions anyway. It was intended to reassure others that opposing fascism is always the right thing to do.

I’m curious: do you understand just how extremist you are considered outside your radical left bubble? Do you understand that across the country, you’d be considered the unwell one?

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Anonymous wrote:It is clear why he is being deported. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

It's common sense this guy and those like him are people who shouldn't be here.

Looking at this, it appears the federal government can legally deport greed card holders based on their advocating or expressing support for terrorist acts.

That said, the terrorist label has become a red herring. Clearly Palestinians and Israelis disagree on who gets to live where on the land. A world where wars are fought as humanely as possible is also clearly a good thing.

But the Palestinians don't have an army, air force or navy. I'm pretty sure Israel would never allow that. So is it surprising the Palestinians resort to terror and other asymmetrical tactics? Should Palestinian jihadists declare war on Israel and attempt to march on Israeli military bases? If the Palestinians are denied access to a regular conventional army it seems a terror response is to be expected.


If a Palestinian militant goes home to an apartment building and the IDF blows the building up killing dozens of people, is the claim that Hamas hides among civilians absolve the IDF from any culpability?

Plenty of oppressed people in the world. A few great leaders found non violent ways to protest and free them: MLK, Gandhi to name a couple. Their causes were no less just. This guy is not one of those great leaders. He has called for and celebrated violence against civilians. He has therefore violated the terms of his probationary acceptance into the US and needs to be deported. Why would we accept any person advocating for violence? It puts our own country and citizens at risk. The ends do not justify the means.

He didn't commit any violence, nor did he advocate for violence in the US.

I think there are many Jewish American Zionists who also put this country at risk, and put Israel's interests above the US'.

Nelson Mandela also used violence. I guess he was a terrorist in your eyes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is clear why he is being deported. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

It's common sense this guy and those like him are people who shouldn't be here.

Looking at this, it appears the federal government can legally deport greed card holders based on their advocating or expressing support for terrorist acts.

That said, the terrorist label has become a red herring. Clearly Palestinians and Israelis disagree on who gets to live where on the land. A world where wars are fought as humanely as possible is also clearly a good thing.

But the Palestinians don't have an army, air force or navy. I'm pretty sure Israel would never allow that. So is it surprising the Palestinians resort to terror and other asymmetrical tactics? Should Palestinian jihadists declare war on Israel and attempt to march on Israeli military bases? If the Palestinians are denied access to a regular conventional army it seems a terror response is to be expected.


If a Palestinian militant goes home to an apartment building and the IDF blows the building up killing dozens of people, is the claim that Hamas hides among civilians absolve the IDF from any culpability?

Simple, he is not a Palestinian supporter. He is a Hamas supporter. He distributed Hamas literature. Hamas is designated as a terror group.

Bye bye.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Disagree with them deporting him.

BUT they rallied against Biden which may have cost the democrats the election and got trump. What did they think would happen?

Michigan Muslims why are you not rallying for this guy?

Seriously, we told the proPalestinians who weren't going to support Harris that Trump was going to be worse for them, and they FAFO.

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Anonymous wrote:It is clear why he is being deported. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

It's common sense this guy and those like him are people who shouldn't be here.

Looking at this, it appears the federal government can legally deport greed card holders based on their advocating or expressing support for terrorist acts.

That said, the terrorist label has become a red herring. Clearly Palestinians and Israelis disagree on who gets to live where on the land. A world where wars are fought as humanely as possible is also clearly a good thing.

But the Palestinians don't have an army, air force or navy. I'm pretty sure Israel would never allow that. So is it surprising the Palestinians resort to terror and other asymmetrical tactics? Should Palestinian jihadists declare war on Israel and attempt to march on Israeli military bases? If the Palestinians are denied access to a regular conventional army it seems a terror response is to be expected.


If a Palestinian militant goes home to an apartment building and the IDF blows the building up killing dozens of people, is the claim that Hamas hides among civilians absolve the IDF from any culpability?

Plenty of oppressed people in the world. A few great leaders found non violent ways to protest and free them: MLK, Gandhi to name a couple. Their causes were no less just. This guy is not one of those great leaders. He has called for and celebrated violence against civilians. He has therefore violated the terms of his probationary acceptance into the US and needs to be deported. Why would we accept any person advocating for violence? It puts our own country and citizens at risk. The ends do not justify the means.

DP

I don’t give AF to litigate this particular guy’s experience at all (I’m fine with whatever lawful resolution decides his fate), but I do feel compelled to ask: How do YOU square YOUR beliefs when the foreign nation he’s accused to criticizing was literally, irrefutably founded last century through terrorism?

Do you refuse to accept that irrefutable fact, or do you hypocritically believe that it was acceptable then, but not now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is clear why he is being deported. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

It's common sense this guy and those like him are people who shouldn't be here.

Looking at this, it appears the federal government can legally deport greed card holders based on their advocating or expressing support for terrorist acts.

That said, the terrorist label has become a red herring. Clearly Palestinians and Israelis disagree on who gets to live where on the land. A world where wars are fought as humanely as possible is also clearly a good thing.

But the Palestinians don't have an army, air force or navy. I'm pretty sure Israel would never allow that. So is it surprising the Palestinians resort to terror and other asymmetrical tactics? Should Palestinian jihadists declare war on Israel and attempt to march on Israeli military bases? If the Palestinians are denied access to a regular conventional army it seems a terror response is to be expected.


If a Palestinian militant goes home to an apartment building and the IDF blows the building up killing dozens of people, is the claim that Hamas hides among civilians absolve the IDF from any culpability?

Coming out in favor of 10/7, including the kidnapping, torture, and murder of children, is unequivocally terrorism in my book, and the books of anyone with a conscience.

It’s unbelievable to me that the Democrats have managed to find themselves on the opposite (and wrong) side of a 90/10 issue again.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is clear why he is being deported. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

It's common sense this guy and those like him are people who shouldn't be here.

Looking at this, it appears the federal government can legally deport greed card holders based on their advocating or expressing support for terrorist acts.

That said, the terrorist label has become a red herring. Clearly Palestinians and Israelis disagree on who gets to live where on the land. A world where wars are fought as humanely as possible is also clearly a good thing.

But the Palestinians don't have an army, air force or navy. I'm pretty sure Israel would never allow that. So is it surprising the Palestinians resort to terror and other asymmetrical tactics? Should Palestinian jihadists declare war on Israel and attempt to march on Israeli military bases? If the Palestinians are denied access to a regular conventional army it seems a terror response is to be expected.


If a Palestinian militant goes home to an apartment building and the IDF blows the building up killing dozens of people, is the claim that Hamas hides among civilians absolve the IDF from any culpability?

Plenty of oppressed people in the world. A few great leaders found non violent ways to protest and free them: MLK, Gandhi to name a couple. Their causes were no less just. This guy is not one of those great leaders. He has called for and celebrated violence against civilians. He has therefore violated the terms of his probationary acceptance into the US and needs to be deported. Why would we accept any person advocating for violence? It puts our own country and citizens at risk. The ends do not justify the means.

He didn't commit any violence, nor did he advocate for violence in the US.

I think there are many Jewish American Zionists who also put this country at risk, and put Israel's interests above the US'.

Nelson Mandela also used violence. I guess he was a terrorist in your eyes.

DP. You are showing your ignorance with your statement about Mandela. His own party admitted to atrocities, eventually. And it is flat-out delusional to compare Khalil to Mandela.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/13/world/party-led-by-mandela-now-owns-up-to-atrocities.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These last several posts are the machinations of sick, deranged people. The protests were about calling for a ceasefire to stop the CURRENT indiscriminate Israeli slaughter of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. Which, incidentally, the entire world, aside from the U.S. and Israel, agree on. That’s it.

No support for Hamas. No endorsement or support, material or otherwise, for any organization that harms / harmed innocents. No indifference to the plight of the hostages, or their loved ones desperately seeking their safe return. No calls for the destruction of Israel. No calls for harm to Jewish individuals here or anywhere else. None of that.

The distortion of those facts, on the basis of an enduring hatred and disdain of others perceived as lesser than, is astounding. All of you making these claims are truly unwell.

“Unwell” are people like you with your continual and unending gaslighting. Do you think we can’t see the videos and photos released by actual protestors at the protests? You don’t think we see the Hamas armbands? The backpacks with paragliders on them? The official statements from various groups comparing the 10/7 murderers to freedom fighters? The silence on the hostages, the tearing down of photos of kidnapped babies, the vandalism, and the violence?

We saw all that. And you can’t pretend it didn’t happen.

You are the unwell one, with your delusions and your lies. But unfortunately for you, the student protestors were proud of their support of Hamas, and let us all know about it through their own actions, which they helpfully documented. And so the country reacted accordingly.

Nobody expected a true believer like you to recognize that you are truly unwell. And the post wasn’t intended to relieve you of those delusions anyway. It was intended to reassure others that opposing fascism is always the right thing to do.

I’m curious: do you understand just how extremist you are considered outside your radical left bubble? Do you understand that across the country, you’d be considered the unwell one?

Extremist? How so? For having a moral compass at the center of my belief system? For criticizing the indiscriminate killing of innocents? For agreeing with 95%+ of the global population that the right of self-defense does not authorize genocidal actions taken by a foreign nation? For believing the founding fathers of my country, who engaged in quite a few acts that would be characterized as “terrorism” today, enshrined my right to free speech centuries ago?

Do tell, self-anointed everyman!

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

+1 not the same.

Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.

"Even if it's not the same, I'm going to bring in something that's not related because I can't defend this."

Once again, a green card holder is protected by US laws. A foreigner wanting a visa to come to the US is not protected by US law.

Not if they committed fraud by intentionally misrepresenting their involvement in activities asked about on the form. If you lie about something that is material, and it comes to light, your benefit, including citizenship, can be revoked and you will be deported.

Regardless of what you think he did, he is protected by US law in that he gets his day in court, ie, due process.

A foreigner requesting a visa to come to the US doesn't get due process.

Get it?

Also, Melania lied on her green card application. Why isn't she getting deported?

His administrative day in court is with an immigration judge. What don't you get?

Indeed, but some people are saying he should just be deported, as in he doesn't get due process.

This is not that dissimilar to the Red Scare where ultra right wing nationalists went after anyone who sympathized with communists.

Ultra right wingers don't actually believe in free speech except when it comes to them being able to spew hate and anti-government rhetoric.

I imagine most people calling for deportation understand there is a process in place that, in their view, should lead to deportation. But free speech has its limits, even here in the US of A.

According to SCOTUS, hate speech is part of free speech. He can say he supports Hamas (free speech) but as long as he hasn't materially supported them, he didn't break any laws.