The Blind Side scandal

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

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How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

See that’s another lie the family likes to tell. Michael was already a star football and basketball player before he ever met them.

But he was bouncing around foster homes. Do you deny they took him in and provided any help? Why was nobody else stepping up?

So it’s okay to steal from foster kids as long as they’re really vulnerable and don’t have anyone else?

THAT is your argument?

If you give a poor foster kid food and a place to sleep for a year that entitles you to control their life and their money for over a decade?

Why don’t you ever respond to the posts pointing out that they didn’t touch any of his earnings? You want them to be worse than they are. You have issues.

DP. But he isn’t suing over his nfl earnings he is saying that they used conservatorship to gain control of his life rights and have made money from that. Are you arguing that because they didn’t steal all of his money it was fine to steal some of it?

I’m arguing that if they did a conservativeship to take advantage of him, why is the only thing they’ve done not include him in what would have been a measly $100,000? That’s change to everyone involved. Which makes it seem a lot less likely it was malicious. If they controlled his money while he was in the NFL or took that, it would be clearly malicious. And I’m not even saying they’re angels, I’m saying it’s just not as clear as some posters want it to be. But that’s not dramatic enough for an Internet forum I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

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How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

See that’s another lie tge famiky likes to tell. Michael was already a star football and basketball player before he ever met them.

Yes. I’m not saying they were playing the long game and banking on him making it to NFL. But you have to understand the culture of football in the south. The whole town comes to the games. The players are hyperlocal celebrities. And that spotlight shines on the parents too, makes them more popular in town.

I don’t know if the family had foster kids before this one. But I would not be surprised if they signed up specifically because they wanted to hitch their cart to his football stardom.

He was one of the very top offensive lineman in the U.S. coming out of high school. The plan was obvi to steer him to Ole Miss, his fake dad’s alma mater. There is nothing noble about rich people exploiting a minority student-athlete and then letting their author buddy and a movie studio paint them as white saviors and him as some illiterate Black boy they taught football to.

That last comment is another lie of theirs. They have portrayed him as knowing nothing about football. See the truth above.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

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Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

He’s a grown man who hired a lawyer.

I guess it has to be said: lying/fraud is not ok.

Even he knows he wasn't lied to.

And that’s a lie. No wonder you are defending these liars.

“ Since at least August of 2004, Conservators have allowed Michael, specifically, and the public, generally, to believe that Conservators adopted Michael and have used that untruth to gain financial advantages for themselves and the foundations which they own or which they exercise control”

Why did Michael write this in his book in 2011:

"It kind of felt like a formality, as I'd been a part of the family for more than a year at that point. Since I was already over the age of eighteen and considered an adult by the state of Tennessee, Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my 'legal conservators,'" Oher said. "They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. I was just happy that no one could argue that we weren't legally what we already knew was real: We were a family."

He didn't just find out about this. That's the lie.

We don’t know who wrote that. AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

They lied to him. For many years.

It's in HIS book. But keep doubling down.

I take it you’re unfamiliar with celebrity book writing?

AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Are you suggesting that Oher lied when he listed himself as an author?

So that’s a no. You are NOT familiar with the process.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ghostwriter/#:~:text=A%20ghostwriter%20is%20hired%20to,t%20be%20credited%20at%20all.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/oct/30/confessions-of-a-ghost-writer-alexandra-heminsley

Hahaha you think that will fly?

That’s just how ghostwriting works.

Anyway, adoption is clearly not the “exact same thing”.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

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Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

He’s a grown man who hired a lawyer.

I guess it has to be said: lying/fraud is not ok.

Even he knows he wasn't lied to.

And that’s a lie. No wonder you are defending these liars.

“ Since at least August of 2004, Conservators have allowed Michael, specifically, and the public, generally, to believe that Conservators adopted Michael and have used that untruth to gain financial advantages for themselves and the foundations which they own or which they exercise control”

Why did Michael write this in his book in 2011:

"It kind of felt like a formality, as I'd been a part of the family for more than a year at that point. Since I was already over the age of eighteen and considered an adult by the state of Tennessee, Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my 'legal conservators,'" Oher said. "They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. I was just happy that no one could argue that we weren't legally what we already knew was real: We were a family."

He didn't just find out about this. That's the lie.

We don’t know who wrote that. AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

They lied to him. For many years.

It's in HIS book. But keep doubling down.

I take it you’re unfamiliar with celebrity book writing?

AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Are you suggesting that Oher lied when he listed himself as an author?

So that’s a no. You are NOT familiar with the process.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ghostwriter/#:~:text=A%20ghostwriter%20is%20hired%20to,t%20be%20credited%20at%20all.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/oct/30/confessions-of-a-ghost-writer-alexandra-heminsley

Hahaha you think that will fly?

That’s just how ghostwriting works.

Anyway, adoption is clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Unfortunately he can’t claim ignorance. His name is on the book.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh look. They are MAGA cHrIStIaNs. Shocker.

FoxNews sure thought they adopted him.
https://www.historyvshollywood.com/video/mike-huckabee-tuohy-family-interview-part-1/

Watch the second video. The dad talks about adoption.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

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Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

He’s a grown man who hired a lawyer.

I guess it has to be said: lying/fraud is not ok.

Even he knows he wasn't lied to.

And that’s a lie. No wonder you are defending these liars.

“ Since at least August of 2004, Conservators have allowed Michael, specifically, and the public, generally, to believe that Conservators adopted Michael and have used that untruth to gain financial advantages for themselves and the foundations which they own or which they exercise control”

Why did Michael write this in his book in 2011:

"It kind of felt like a formality, as I'd been a part of the family for more than a year at that point. Since I was already over the age of eighteen and considered an adult by the state of Tennessee, Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my 'legal conservators,'" Oher said. "They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. I was just happy that no one could argue that we weren't legally what we already knew was real: We were a family."

He didn't just find out about this. That's the lie.

We don’t know who wrote that. AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

They lied to him. For many years.

It's in HIS book. But keep doubling down.

I take it you’re unfamiliar with celebrity book writing?

AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Are you suggesting that Oher lied when he listed himself as an author?

So that’s a no. You are NOT familiar with the process.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ghostwriter/#:~:text=A%20ghostwriter%20is%20hired%20to,t%20be%20credited%20at%20all.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/oct/30/confessions-of-a-ghost-writer-alexandra-heminsley

Hahaha you think that will fly?

That’s just how ghostwriting works.

Anyway, adoption is clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Unfortunately he can’t claim ignorance. His name is on the book.

The book says:
“They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. “

They lied to him and said it was the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

+1

Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

He’s a grown man who hired a lawyer.

I guess it has to be said: lying/fraud is not ok.

Even he knows he wasn't lied to.

And that’s a lie. No wonder you are defending these liars.

“ Since at least August of 2004, Conservators have allowed Michael, specifically, and the public, generally, to believe that Conservators adopted Michael and have used that untruth to gain financial advantages for themselves and the foundations which they own or which they exercise control”

Why did Michael write this in his book in 2011:

"It kind of felt like a formality, as I'd been a part of the family for more than a year at that point. Since I was already over the age of eighteen and considered an adult by the state of Tennessee, Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my 'legal conservators,'" Oher said. "They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. I was just happy that no one could argue that we weren't legally what we already knew was real: We were a family."

He didn't just find out about this. That's the lie.

We don’t know who wrote that. AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

They lied to him. For many years.

It's in HIS book. But keep doubling down.

I take it you’re unfamiliar with celebrity book writing?

AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Are you suggesting that Oher lied when he listed himself as an author?

So that’s a no. You are NOT familiar with the process.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ghostwriter/#:~:text=A%20ghostwriter%20is%20hired%20to,t%20be%20credited%20at%20all.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/oct/30/confessions-of-a-ghost-writer-alexandra-heminsley

Hahaha you think that will fly?

That’s just how ghostwriting works.

Anyway, adoption is clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Unfortunately he can’t claim ignorance. His name is on the book.

The book says:
“They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. “

They lied to him and said it was the same thing.

This isn’t hard to understand! He was an 18 year old child who was desperate for a family and they manipulated and lied to him. Just because he used the word conservatorship a decade ago doesn’t mean he is lying. Context is everything.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

+1

Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

He’s a grown man who hired a lawyer.

I guess it has to be said: lying/fraud is not ok.

Even he knows he wasn't lied to.

And that’s a lie. No wonder you are defending these liars.

“ Since at least August of 2004, Conservators have allowed Michael, specifically, and the public, generally, to believe that Conservators adopted Michael and have used that untruth to gain financial advantages for themselves and the foundations which they own or which they exercise control”

Why did Michael write this in his book in 2011:

"It kind of felt like a formality, as I'd been a part of the family for more than a year at that point. Since I was already over the age of eighteen and considered an adult by the state of Tennessee, Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my 'legal conservators,'" Oher said. "They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. I was just happy that no one could argue that we weren't legally what we already knew was real: We were a family."

He didn't just find out about this. That's the lie.

We don’t know who wrote that. AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

They lied to him. For many years.

It's in HIS book. But keep doubling down.

I take it you’re unfamiliar with celebrity book writing?

AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Are you suggesting that Oher lied when he listed himself as an author?

So that’s a no. You are NOT familiar with the process.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ghostwriter/#:~:text=A%20ghostwriter%20is%20hired%20to,t%20be%20credited%20at%20all.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/oct/30/confessions-of-a-ghost-writer-alexandra-heminsley

Hahaha you think that will fly?

That’s just how ghostwriting works.

Anyway, adoption is clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Unfortunately he can’t claim ignorance. His name is on the book.

The book says:
“They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. “

They lied to him and said it was the same thing.

This isn’t hard to understand! He was an 18 year old child who was desperate for a family and they manipulated and lied to him. Just because he used the word conservatorship a decade ago doesn’t mean he is lying. Context is everything.

Maybe he should have read his book at some point.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

See that’s another lie the family likes to tell. Michael was already a star football and basketball player before he ever met them.

But he was bouncing around foster homes. Do you deny they took him in and provided any help? Why was nobody else stepping up?

So it’s okay to steal from foster kids as long as they’re really vulnerable and don’t have anyone else?

THAT is your argument?

If you give a poor foster kid food and a place to sleep for a year that entitles you to control their life and their money for over a decade?

Why don’t you ever respond to the posts pointing out that they didn’t touch any of his earnings? You want them to be worse than they are. You have issues.

DP. But he isn’t suing over his nfl earnings he is saying that they used conservatorship to gain control of his life rights and have made money from that. Are you arguing that because they didn’t steal all of his money it was fine to steal some of it?

I’m arguing that if they did a conservativeship to take advantage of him, why is the only thing they’ve done not include him in what would have been a measly $100,000? That’s change to everyone involved. Which makes it seem a lot less likely it was malicious. If they controlled his money while he was in the NFL or took that, it would be clearly malicious. And I’m not even saying they’re angels, I’m saying it’s just not as clear as some posters want it to be. But that’s not dramatic enough for an Internet forum I guess.

It’s not just about money. First and foremost, they basically stole his identity from him and his ability to make decisions so let’s get that out of the way. As conservators, they choose or approve everything he does as an able-bodied grown man with no mental health issues or drug issues. A conservator is granted if and only if a conservatoree is incapacitated, or if the conservatoree willingly signs his rights away. They made sure he did by saying “it’s the same thing as adoption for big people. It’s the only way you can be a part of the family!” So disgusting.
Second, as conservators they can green-light their friend’s book that eventually became the movie without his consent and can heavily influence the narrative. The actor didn’t even meet Michael until AFTER the movie. Hmm?
Third, the jig would have been up a long time ago if they went directly for his NFL earnings. They didn’t NEED to go there.
This is not just about money, although they clearly profited more than what has come out so far. They started getting local attention starting at Ole Miss and eventually went for fame with the book. They are even giving interviews to random publications as of yesterday! It’s pathetic. Their own son says he has every right to be upset.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

+1

Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

He’s a grown man who hired a lawyer.

I guess it has to be said: lying/fraud is not ok.

Even he knows he wasn't lied to.

And that’s a lie. No wonder you are defending these liars.

“ Since at least August of 2004, Conservators have allowed Michael, specifically, and the public, generally, to believe that Conservators adopted Michael and have used that untruth to gain financial advantages for themselves and the foundations which they own or which they exercise control”

Why did Michael write this in his book in 2011:

"It kind of felt like a formality, as I'd been a part of the family for more than a year at that point. Since I was already over the age of eighteen and considered an adult by the state of Tennessee, Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my 'legal conservators,'" Oher said. "They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. I was just happy that no one could argue that we weren't legally what we already knew was real: We were a family."

He didn't just find out about this. That's the lie.

We don’t know who wrote that. AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

They lied to him. For many years.

It's in HIS book. But keep doubling down.

I take it you’re unfamiliar with celebrity book writing?

AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Are you suggesting that Oher lied when he listed himself as an author?

So that’s a no. You are NOT familiar with the process.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ghostwriter/#:~:text=A%20ghostwriter%20is%20hired%20to,t%20be%20credited%20at%20all.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/oct/30/confessions-of-a-ghost-writer-alexandra-heminsley

Hahaha you think that will fly?

That’s just how ghostwriting works.

Anyway, adoption is clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Unfortunately he can’t claim ignorance. His name is on the book.

The book says:
“They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. “

They lied to him and said it was the same thing.

This isn’t hard to understand! He was an 18 year old child who was desperate for a family and they manipulated and lied to him. Just because he used the word conservatorship a decade ago doesn’t mean he is lying. Context is everything.

Maybe he should have read his book at some point.

Umm no that wouldn’t help because he very extremely clearly didn’t understand what it meant. Is there really more than one of you that doesn’t get it?

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

+1

Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

He’s a grown man who hired a lawyer.

I guess it has to be said: lying/fraud is not ok.

Even he knows he wasn't lied to.

And that’s a lie. No wonder you are defending these liars.

“ Since at least August of 2004, Conservators have allowed Michael, specifically, and the public, generally, to believe that Conservators adopted Michael and have used that untruth to gain financial advantages for themselves and the foundations which they own or which they exercise control”

Why did Michael write this in his book in 2011:

"It kind of felt like a formality, as I'd been a part of the family for more than a year at that point. Since I was already over the age of eighteen and considered an adult by the state of Tennessee, Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my 'legal conservators,'" Oher said. "They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. I was just happy that no one could argue that we weren't legally what we already knew was real: We were a family."

He didn't just find out about this. That's the lie.

We don’t know who wrote that. AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

They lied to him. For many years.

It's in HIS book. But keep doubling down.

I take it you’re unfamiliar with celebrity book writing?

AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Are you suggesting that Oher lied when he listed himself as an author?

So that’s a no. You are NOT familiar with the process.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ghostwriter/#:~:text=A%20ghostwriter%20is%20hired%20to,t%20be%20credited%20at%20all.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/oct/30/confessions-of-a-ghost-writer-alexandra-heminsley

Hahaha you think that will fly?

That’s just how ghostwriting works.

Anyway, adoption is clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Unfortunately he can’t claim ignorance. His name is on the book.

The book says:
“They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. “

They lied to him and said it was the same thing.

This isn’t hard to understand! He was an 18 year old child who was desperate for a family and they manipulated and lied to him. Just because he used the word conservatorship a decade ago doesn’t mean he is lying. Context is everything.

Maybe he should have read his book at some point.

Umm no that wouldn’t help because he very extremely clearly didn’t understand what it meant. Is there really more than one of you that doesn’t get it?

Why didn't he understand in 2011? What was the great awakening in Feb 2023 ? Why did the light bulb suddenly go on?

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

See that’s another lie the family likes to tell. Michael was already a star football and basketball player before he ever met them.

But he was bouncing around foster homes. Do you deny they took him in and provided any help? Why was nobody else stepping up?

So it’s okay to steal from foster kids as long as they’re really vulnerable and don’t have anyone else?

THAT is your argument?

If you give a poor foster kid food and a place to sleep for a year that entitles you to control their life and their money for over a decade?

Why don’t you ever respond to the posts pointing out that they didn’t touch any of his earnings? You want them to be worse than they are. You have issues.

DP. But he isn’t suing over his nfl earnings he is saying that they used conservatorship to gain control of his life rights and have made money from that. Are you arguing that because they didn’t steal all of his money it was fine to steal some of it?

I’m arguing that if they did a conservativeship to take advantage of him, why is the only thing they’ve done not include him in what would have been a measly $100,000? That’s change to everyone involved. Which makes it seem a lot less likely it was malicious. If they controlled his money while he was in the NFL or took that, it would be clearly malicious. And I’m not even saying they’re angels, I’m saying it’s just not as clear as some posters want it to be. But that’s not dramatic enough for an Internet forum I guess.

It’s not just about money. First and foremost, they basically stole his identity from him and his ability to make decisions so let’s get that out of the way. As conservators, they choose or approve everything he does as an able-bodied grown man with no mental health issues or drug issues. A conservator is granted if and only if a conservatoree is incapacitated, or if the conservatoree willingly signs his rights away. They made sure he did by saying “it’s the same thing as adoption for big people. It’s the only way you can be a part of the family!” So disgusting.
Second, as conservators they can green-light their friend’s book that eventually became the movie without his consent and can heavily influence the narrative. The actor didn’t even meet Michael until AFTER the movie. Hmm?
Third, the jig would have been up a long time ago if they went directly for his NFL earnings. They didn’t NEED to go there.
This is not just about money, although they clearly profited more than what has come out so far. They started getting local attention starting at Ole Miss and eventually went for fame with the book. They are even giving interviews to random publications as of yesterday! It’s pathetic. Their own son says he has every right to be upset.

Couple of major things wrong with your post

First, Michael Lewis needed no one to green light his book. He paid no money. Anyone can write a book on anyone. No payment was ever made or waiver sought. Same as a reporter does not need your consent to use your name. So let’s get that out of the way.

Second, what you say about a conservatorship is true. But they did none of those things. They did nothing with it. They did not use it to control honor order him. It looks like they sent it to the ncaa and then never dealt with it. So none of the stuff you cite happened. That is most likely why Michael had to sign away the film rights because they did not use the conservatorship.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

+1

Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

He’s a grown man who hired a lawyer.

I guess it has to be said: lying/fraud is not ok.

Even he knows he wasn't lied to.

And that’s a lie. No wonder you are defending these liars.

“ Since at least August of 2004, Conservators have allowed Michael, specifically, and the public, generally, to believe that Conservators adopted Michael and have used that untruth to gain financial advantages for themselves and the foundations which they own or which they exercise control”

Why did Michael write this in his book in 2011:

"It kind of felt like a formality, as I'd been a part of the family for more than a year at that point. Since I was already over the age of eighteen and considered an adult by the state of Tennessee, Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my 'legal conservators,'" Oher said. "They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. I was just happy that no one could argue that we weren't legally what we already knew was real: We were a family."

He didn't just find out about this. That's the lie.

We don’t know who wrote that. AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

They lied to him. For many years.

It's in HIS book. But keep doubling down.

I take it you’re unfamiliar with celebrity book writing?

AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Are you suggesting that Oher lied when he listed himself as an author?

So that’s a no. You are NOT familiar with the process.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ghostwriter/#:~:text=A%20ghostwriter%20is%20hired%20to,t%20be%20credited%20at%20all.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/oct/30/confessions-of-a-ghost-writer-alexandra-heminsley

Hahaha you think that will fly?

That’s just how ghostwriting works.

Anyway, adoption is clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Unfortunately he can’t claim ignorance. His name is on the book.

The book says:
“They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. “

They lied to him and said it was the same thing.

This isn’t hard to understand! He was an 18 year old child who was desperate for a family and they manipulated and lied to him. Just because he used the word conservatorship a decade ago doesn’t mean he is lying. Context is everything.

Maybe he should have read his book at some point.

Umm no that wouldn’t help because he very extremely clearly didn’t understand what it meant. Is there really more than one of you that doesn’t get it?

BS.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

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Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

He’s a grown man who hired a lawyer.

I guess it has to be said: lying/fraud is not ok.

Even he knows he wasn't lied to.

And that’s a lie. No wonder you are defending these liars.

“ Since at least August of 2004, Conservators have allowed Michael, specifically, and the public, generally, to believe that Conservators adopted Michael and have used that untruth to gain financial advantages for themselves and the foundations which they own or which they exercise control”

Why did Michael write this in his book in 2011:

"It kind of felt like a formality, as I'd been a part of the family for more than a year at that point. Since I was already over the age of eighteen and considered an adult by the state of Tennessee, Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my 'legal conservators,'" Oher said. "They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. I was just happy that no one could argue that we weren't legally what we already knew was real: We were a family."

He didn't just find out about this. That's the lie.

He just found out that the legal conservatorship that he signed did not make them the exact same thing as “adoptive parents.” Not sure what is confusing about that other than the Touhy’s simultaneously going on Fox News and allowing themselves to be described as having adopted him.

If this is true then Oher is an idiot.