The Blind Side scandal

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

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Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

He’s a grown man who hired a lawyer.

I guess it has to be said: lying/fraud is not ok.

Even he knows he wasn't lied to.

And that’s a lie. No wonder you are defending these liars.

“ Since at least August of 2004, Conservators have allowed Michael, specifically, and the public, generally, to believe that Conservators adopted Michael and have used that untruth to gain financial advantages for themselves and the foundations which they own or which they exercise control”

Why did Michael write this in his book in 2011:

"It kind of felt like a formality, as I'd been a part of the family for more than a year at that point. Since I was already over the age of eighteen and considered an adult by the state of Tennessee, Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my 'legal conservators,'" Oher said. "They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. I was just happy that no one could argue that we weren't legally what we already knew was real: We were a family."

He didn't just find out about this. That's the lie.

We don’t know who wrote that. AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

They lied to him. For many years.

It's in HIS book. But keep doubling down.

I take it you’re unfamiliar with celebrity book writing?

AND it’s clearly not the “exact same thing”.

Are you suggesting that Oher lied when he listed himself as an author?

So that’s a no. You are NOT familiar with the process.

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/ghostwriter/#:~:text=A%20ghostwriter%20is%20hired%20to,t%20be%20credited%20at%20all.


https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/oct/30/confessions-of-a-ghost-writer-alexandra-heminsley

Hahaha you think that will fly?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Michael Oher was a hot football prospect before the Tuohys took him in. The Tuohys were huge football boosters for their kids' high school and for Ole Miss. They were rich and lived in a big house. All of their so-called charity was just done because of their love of the teams they supported.

The book the Blind Side was written by an old family friend of the Tuohys. The movie made Michael Oher look like Lenny from Mice and Men and the Tuohys like saints. Then they ensured that almost all of the profits from his story went to their biological family. To make all this happen without risking him being entitled to their "real" money, they lied to him and told him that adult adoption wasn't possible in Tennessee. And then they had him sign away the rights to his story by telling him that a conservatorship the same as being adopted. And as far as anyone can see they have capitalized on their so-called "charity" ever since.

They are sleazy and I'm not surprised that they hired Marty Singer.

This explains it. They knew they couldn’t control him and his finances if they adopted him as an adult. The conservatorship left them room to control his life financially and otherwise. We’ll see if they abused it. I assume they’ve done some really rotten stuff based on the lawyer they hired.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

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How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

Aren’t you funny? As if he’d ever be in their will. He was a pet they used for all the attention they could get.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

See that’s another lie tge famiky likes to tell. Michael was already a star football and basketball player before he ever met them.

But he was bouncing around foster homes. Do you deny they took him in and provided any help? Why was nobody else stepping up?

DP. He ended up at the school with their kids because someone else was letting him live with him and encouraged him to seek entrance because his child was. They knew who he was because he was playing football at their kids school. Whether they helped him is one thing but they absolutely did it with an eye to what he could provide for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

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Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

A grown man who’s $35 million richer thanks to them. Whatever their motives, he benefited too.

How is it thanks to them? I don’t recall them playing in any games on his behalf and he had already learned the game of football when they met him playing at their kids school.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

But that’s not what happened. You know that right? Several people have already discussed the movie was not the same as real life. I am not saying the family is horrible, but their motives were not purely altruistic and they peddled a lie for 20 years. Why do you think they did that?

Leigh Anne can’t stop herself from lying. In one of the quotes she said the movie was scarily accurate. That’s a lie. Oher was very hurt by the way he was portrayed. The movie portrayed him as being very slow intellectually and he has paid for that in many ways. It wasn’t accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

See that’s another lie the family likes to tell. Michael was already a star football and basketball player before he ever met them.

But he was bouncing around foster homes. Do you deny they took him in and provided any help? Why was nobody else stepping up?

So it’s okay to steal from foster kids as long as they’re really vulnerable and don’t have anyone else?

THAT is your argument?

If you give a poor foster kid food and a place to sleep for a year that entitles you to control their life and their money for over a decade?

Why don’t you ever respond to the posts pointing out that they didn’t touch any of his earnings? You want them to be worse than they are. You have issues.

DP. But he isn’t suing over his nfl earnings he is saying that they used conservatorship to gain control of his life rights and have made money from that. Are you arguing that because they didn’t steal all of his money it was fine to steal some of it?

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

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There is no estate. They are not dead. Do not use words when you do not know what they mean. Any kid can be cut out completely from a will at any time. So no this was not the reason. The reason was that this was what was needed to get past the NCAA. Adoption probably would not do it since he was over 18. And even if it did, adoption would take a long time. Conservatorship was probably done within two weeks.

So, what you are saying is that Michael is in the will just like their other 2 children?

Are there other 2 children suing them, trying to blackmail them and call them liars? You don't have to divide your estate up equally. Some parents may even think some kids need more help than others, especially if one of them already has net worth in the tens of millions.

He didn’t blackmail them you liar. He attempted a settlement and is now suing. You’re as bad as the cops coming to social media to smear victims.

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Anonymous wrote:Oher is a perfect example of what happens when you try to do the right things in life. MYOB.

The right thing being manipulating a talented homeless kid in going to your alma mater?

Seems like it worked out pretty well for him.

So we all should just shut up and ignore the fact that this was all one big lie and they led an 18 year old at risk kid astray. Wow, what great people they are.

I would agree with you but so far there is no lie. He knew about the conservatorship. He is lying now in his petition. You can’t put it your book a decade ago and now say you did not know.

Also how was he led astray? He did better at ole miss than he would have other places because they took care of him because of the family. When in college he got into a fight with a fellow player. During the fight Michael threw a desk or chair and it hit a toddler who was a kid of an assistant coach. Toddler was rushed to hospital with serious injuries. Kid was ok. Ole miss coach got Sean. Sean paid a financial settlement to the assistant coach’s family. Sean also hired a lawyer who shot down the police investigation. Ole miss did not throw him out as they would have great player or not because of the book and the family. He was not led astray.

And he played nfl football and made millions for himself. Who knows what their motives were or why they were advised to do a conservativeship over adoption but there’s no reason to assume he’s a victim here.

You don't want him to be a victim. You'll bend your mind into knots to make that couple/family not be the problem.

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Victim of what? His net worth is higher than their bio son. Does he help support SJ? They bailed him out of trouble and got him on a pretty lucrative nfl track, which they got no money from.

People lying to him and manipulating him for decades.

Just stop. This is a grown man. Not some little baby. Time to move on.

He’s a grown man who hired a lawyer.

I guess it has to be said: lying/fraud is not ok.

Even he knows he wasn't lied to.

And that’s a lie. No wonder you are defending these liars.

“ Since at least August of 2004, Conservators have allowed Michael, specifically, and the public, generally, to believe that Conservators adopted Michael and have used that untruth to gain financial advantages for themselves and the foundations which they own or which they exercise control”

Why did Michael write this in his book in 2011:

"It kind of felt like a formality, as I'd been a part of the family for more than a year at that point. Since I was already over the age of eighteen and considered an adult by the state of Tennessee, Sean and Leigh Anne would be named as my 'legal conservators,'" Oher said. "They explained to me that it means pretty much the exact same thing as 'adoptive parents,' but that the laws were just written in a way that took my age into account. Honestly, I didn't care what it was called. I was just happy that no one could argue that we weren't legally what we already knew was real: We were a family."

He didn't just find out about this. That's the lie.

He just found out that the legal conservatorship that he signed did not make them the exact same thing as “adoptive parents.” Not sure what is confusing about that other than the Touhy’s simultaneously going on Fox News and allowing themselves to be described as having adopted him.

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Anonymous wrote:Without the family who took Michael Oher into their home, Mr. Oher may have never played pro football. His gpa was way too low for NCAA requirement and the family got him 20 hours of tutoring per week. Oher took correspondence courses from BYU to raise his gpa and allow him to play NCAA football at Ole Miss.

Not trying to praise or criticize anyone, but there is always at least two sides to every story.

Also, many ex football players experience depression as a result of having suffered multiple concussions. I wonder if this is a factor in this matter.

All the 1st paragraph is what normal parents do for their children if they have the resources. That's not a far reach. I did that for my kids and I don't expect them to pay me back or to take their earnings.

Exactly! I gave my kids all the resources I could. No pay back from biological or adopted! In the case not even adopted so they could cash in without him having a say.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

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How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

They aren't dead so why would he get a part of their estate now? Wouldn't the normal course be to contest the will after their deaths when he found out he inherited nothing?

But they don’t need to worry about any of that messiness if they never adopted him. The point if that despite their claims, they never really wanted him to be a full fledged member of their family.

What'd be delicious if he can use the grifters' years of deception calling him an adopted son in word and print to successfully challenge the estate after one of the parents croaks.

Who is the grifter in your fantasy?

DP. The frauds who spread the lie that they adopted him.

He knows he wasn't adopted.

He didn’t understand this when they lied to him at 18 and whenever he tried to ask them about it later he never got a straight answer from dear old mom and dad. He said he had to hire a lawyer to find the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

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How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

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There is no estate. They are not dead. Do not use words when you do not know what they mean. Any kid can be cut out completely from a will at any time. So no this was not the reason. The reason was that this was what was needed to get past the NCAA. Adoption probably would not do it since he was over 18. And even if it did, adoption would take a long time. Conservatorship was probably done within two weeks.

So, what you are saying is that Michael is in the will just like their other 2 children?

Who knows. The two kids might not be in the will. Just because you are a kid adopted or not does not mean you get your parents money. They seem not to be happy with the boy who seems a bit of an f’up and the girl is a billionaire. Maybe they will give it to Oher or maybe to charity. Who knows.

You all are missing the point over the comments about the estate. The point is the family never wanted to adopt him (not sure why PP above thinks it needed to be done quickly). They wanted to exert financial control over him and the story. But they did not want to make him a full legal member of their family and everything that may financially/morally entail. And his 18 year old self, who was told a conservatorship was akin to an adoption for those over 18, didn’t know any better.

They should not have gone around calling him their adopted son for so many years. They had a chance to adopt and choose not to do so.

I don’t really know or care why this took 18 years to come out. But I do thinks it’s distasteful to sell a story about adopting someone you did not adopt. Adoption is a serious legal matter full of real legal ramifications. And it’s a hell of a lot easier to explain cutting a kid out of your will who was never really a full fledged legal member of your family. Just sayin.

He has a biological mother that he has a relationship with. Of course they would not adopt him.

Such a stupid post. Would 18 year old oher know that? Do educated adults on this site know that?

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

See that’s another lie tge famiky likes to tell. Michael was already a star football and basketball player before he ever met them.

Yes. I’m not saying they were playing the long game and banking on him making it to NFL. But you have to understand the culture of football in the south. The whole town comes to the games. The players are hyperlocal celebrities. And that spotlight shines on the parents too, makes them more popular in town.

I don’t know if the family had foster kids before this one. But I would not be surprised if they signed up specifically because they wanted to hitch their cart to his football stardom.

He was one of the very top offensive lineman in the U.S. coming out of high school. The plan was obvi to steer him to Ole Miss, his fake dad’s alma mater. There is nothing noble about rich people exploiting a minority student-athlete and then letting their author buddy and a movie studio paint them as white saviors and him as some illiterate Black boy they taught football to.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

They aren't dead so why would he get a part of their estate now? Wouldn't the normal course be to contest the will after their deaths when he found out he inherited nothing?

But they don’t need to worry about any of that messiness if they never adopted him. The point if that despite their claims, they never really wanted him to be a full fledged member of their family.

What'd be delicious if he can use the grifters' years of deception calling him an adopted son in word and print to successfully challenge the estate after one of the parents croaks.

Who is the grifter in your fantasy?

DP. The frauds who spread the lie that they adopted him.

He knows he wasn't adopted.

Now. They LIED to everyone, including him, for decades.

Who is everyone? The Tuohys didn’t adopt Oher in the movie.

Website, charity fundraisers, books, interviews.

Also they did discussion adoption in the movie.

A PP posted the receipts. Leigh Anne Tuohy referred to the "adoption" numerous times, and it is a massive piece of her lucrative brand.

I posted the quotes and found those on her own website after a 1 minute search. There are a hundred more places where she talked about adopting him and that the movie was so accurate. Pretty much anywhere she is interviewed or blogs she mentions the adoption.

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Anonymous wrote:I think oher was probably irresponsible with his nfl money and is now looking to get some of that $200 million fast food money. Give me a break. So ungrateful.

You're saying he should be grateful that they lied to him and cheated him out of money?

Again --- yet to be proven they lied. In his bio he described it as a conservatorship. They are saying he got his money.

So the book, the ghostwriter, describes it as a conservatorship….. think about it. It’s not a stretch to think that he hardly knew the really detailed contents of the book.

+1

How much of the book did he actually “write”? Any?

As a practical matter, if your legal claim is significantly based on “I didn’t know X” and your autobiography says “X”, it’s going to be tough sledding for you. What, his ghostwriter was in on it? Any reasonable observer should, based on this evidence alone, conclude that the most likely scenario is that Oher is full of BS. Maybe not, but that’s the smart way to bet at this point, for those who need to have a view on the question.

and it's so humorous that most of us disagree with you and believe the Toueys are full of bs. Thanks Singer Slinger for telling us how we should "bet" on this.

The Toueys are fake creeps.

Sure they probably are. Certainly patting your multi millionaire self on the back so much and so publicly for taking in a homeless kid is pretty ridiculous.

But they didn’t rip off Oher. He wants their fast food money. Can you point to even one financial document that shows they made even a million off of him? The SEC filings show they made $200 million off the fast food franchise sales. The 501c3 charity records show they drew no income from the foundation. The movie studio records show the family got $700k total over 10+ Years which they claim was split but even if not that’s not big $$ for either family. So where is the actual evidence they made millions off him? And how would they have planned that when he was a teen? If he was just a business for them then so far he’s been their worst investment.

How much money is on the foundation? How much coming in and going out a year? What’s the overhead and administration expenses? Nonprofit isn’t just about taking salaries, for many it’s to dodge taxes, leasing racket, influence, seek favor, and swing grants to cronies.

I literally posted the link. It’s less than 200k a year. This family is a hundred millionaire fast food franchise family. You think people went to their Taco Bell’s because they knew about Oher? They pay more in taxes than they ever earned from this kid. They helped bring him into the big leagues. He thinks he deserves more from them while at the same time hating them I guess. Im sure they are annoying and certainly full of themselves but that doesn’t mean they owe him their franchise money. Probably has people around him telling him he’s a victim somehow. good way to lose his spot in the will.

This is where you are wrong. If they had adopted him, then in most people’s view he would be entitled to a share of their estate. I realize the relationship went sour and no one owes their kid an inheritance but it’s also clear the breakdown occurred over the non-adoption.

I think a lot of folks find it disgusting that they touted his adoption but obviously avoided that route to ensure he wasn’t part of their estate. That really undermines what an adoption is and doesn’t sit well with me personally. If they adopted him, he is a full fledged member of their family. But it sounds like, despite their talk about adoption, that’s not really what they wanted.

not about adoption, it's about money they have that Oher wants

May be current lawsuit isn’t about adoption but it’s pretty clear we are finding out that they never adopted him now because it is a big deal. And it should be. They propagated a lie for years to make themselves look good, but they never really wanted him to be a full legal member of their family. I realize you don’t think that is f’ed up but a lot of people do. That’s why the family looks so bad right now.

I have to say PP, that doesn't change how I view the family. The fact they brought him into their home/lives before he played football tells me that they are better than 99.99% of people out there including you and me, most likely.

See that’s another lie tge famiky likes to tell. Michael was already a star football and basketball player before he ever met them.

Exactly. They constantly lie. The movie contained many lies. These liars aren’t better than me.