Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a thread about UVA at this point but we are in MD and my kid doesn’t want to go to UMD. Is not interested in STEM. Doesn’t like that it’s 20 minutes from home, would prefer a college town, and would prefer more school spirit.

UVA booster here. I get that. Not only is UMD not in the same league as UVA reputation wise, it’s so close that it has a metro stop. That doesn’t work for a lot of kids. Makes total sense.

UMD is better than UVa in all the rigorous majors. More National Championships Nobels, Pulitzers, Emmys, Academy Awards, Fields Medals among alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. UMD is B1G and uva is loser ACC.

Even if that were all true, it doesn’t change the fact that UVA is in higher demand and has a better reputation nationwide among top applicants.

It just means that uva doesn’t produce people as smart as UMD. It takes smart people and makes them lazy and unproductive.

Right . . . and that explains how UVA has 56 Rhodes Scholars and UMD isn't even in the running. https://www.collegevaluesonline.com/features/colleges-future-rhodes-scholars/#:~:text=Get%20this%3A%20Harvard%20University%20has,in%20number%20of%20Rhodes%20Scholars.

my god, you two. Always the same shite.

UVA and UMD are both fantastic schools, and UVA has an edge for non STEM fields, whereas UMD is better for its STEM fields.

p1ssing contest now over. Move on.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a thread about UVA at this point but we are in MD and my kid doesn’t want to go to UMD. Is not interested in STEM. Doesn’t like that it’s 20 minutes from home, would prefer a college town, and would prefer more school spirit.

UVA booster here. I get that. Not only is UMD not in the same league as UVA reputation wise, it’s so close that it has a metro stop. That doesn’t work for a lot of kids. Makes total sense.

UMD is better than UVa in all the rigorous majors. More National Championships Nobels, Pulitzers, Emmys, Academy Awards, Fields Medals among alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. UMD is B1G and uva is loser ACC.

How are UVA boosters teased on here when this person keeps posting this?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

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Anonymous wrote:College students care much less about museums and culture than parents. Students choose OOS flagships bc they want a big school, big sports experience. These schools are mostly in cities where the university is the center of the city.

It’s not for everybody, but many students like the traditional college experience.

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Absolutely agree. They want the big school, big sports experience - it's not because the towns of the OOS flagships are so great in comparison to their home cities.

I don’t think the towns even necessarily need to be “better”. Just being somewhere different is fun.

er.. different is not always fun.

You’ll never know if you don’t try.

Sure, and they may hate it.

I have lived in different cities and state across the country. My spouse even moved to a different continent. Different is not always better. But, sure, I can understand wanting to try it.

The PP stated " Just being somewhere different is fun."

My point is that just because it's different, doesn't make it more "fun" or better.

Some places aren’t necessarily “better” than other places but being somewhere new is fun for some people. Shake up the routine. Try new things. Appreciate things you like in other places.

People can find enjoyable things to do in most places where colleges are located.

YMMV.

"Try new things.."' what new things can an 18 yr old in PA try that they can't try in MD or VA?

Go to Penn state football game?

? that's kind of silly. You can still go to a Penn State football game while you attend UVA or UMD. They allow non students to attend their games you know.

I'm not the pp you quoted.
But Penn state isn't exactly a short trip from UVA or UMD. You'd need a car, which many college students don't have, and aren't able to rent due to age. A hotel room. I don't know about Penn state specifically but many college football stadiums have a "student section" which are the most fun for students--if you don't have a student ID (for that specific school) you can't get in to those sections.

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Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

Not sure why that’s a tough concept.

Because it's stupid and their parents should have told them no?

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Anonymous wrote:It seems that many more DMV grads are choosing OOS state flagships ahead of their mid and top ranked in state options. What is the appeal? Is it because it’s far from home? The cost is so much higher, I am confused why this is now en vogue.

Probably not the "OOS state flagship" most posters in this thread have in mind:

West Virginia’s Unprecedented Proposed Cuts Become Clear.
Financially beleaguered West Virginia University is proposing eliminating 9 percent of the majors and 7 percent of the full-time faculty members at the flagship Morgantown campus, including the entirety of the department of world languages, literatures and linguistics, the university announced Friday.

But it shines a light on the level of competition for students that OOS state flagships face.

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UVA is a bastion of southern pride and it isn't a good fit for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:College students care much less about museums and culture than parents. Students choose OOS flagships bc they want a big school, big sports experience. These schools are mostly in cities where the university is the center of the city.

It’s not for everybody, but many students like the traditional college experience.

+100

Absolutely agree. They want the big school, big sports experience - it's not because the towns of the OOS flagships are so great in comparison to their home cities.

I don’t think the towns even necessarily need to be “better”. Just being somewhere different is fun.

er.. different is not always fun.

You’ll never know if you don’t try.

Sure, and they may hate it.

I have lived in different cities and state across the country. My spouse even moved to a different continent. Different is not always better. But, sure, I can understand wanting to try it.

The PP stated " Just being somewhere different is fun."

My point is that just because it's different, doesn't make it more "fun" or better.

Some places aren’t necessarily “better” than other places but being somewhere new is fun for some people. Shake up the routine. Try new things. Appreciate things you like in other places.

People can find enjoyable things to do in most places where colleges are located.

YMMV.

"Try new things.."' what new things can an 18 yr old in PA try that they can't try in MD or VA?

Go to Penn state football game?

? that's kind of silly. You can still go to a Penn State football game while you attend UVA or UMD. They allow non students to attend their games you know.

How long is the drive? Seems kind of silly to drive up for most of their home games.

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Many kids choose don’t choose the cheapest, highest ranked option.

Many kids prefer OOS.

Not sure why that’s a tough concept.

Because it's stupid and their parents should have told them no?

It’s not stupid at all.

So rigid and close-minded. Any official diagnosis? Or maybe not since that wasn’t common in your generation.

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Anonymous wrote:College students care much less about museums and culture than parents. Students choose OOS flagships bc they want a big school, big sports experience. These schools are mostly in cities where the university is the center of the city.

It’s not for everybody, but many students like the traditional college experience.

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Absolutely agree. They want the big school, big sports experience - it's not because the towns of the OOS flagships are so great in comparison to their home cities.

I don’t think the towns even necessarily need to be “better”. Just being somewhere different is fun.

er.. different is not always fun.

You’ll never know if you don’t try.

Sure, and they may hate it.

I have lived in different cities and state across the country. My spouse even moved to a different continent. Different is not always better. But, sure, I can understand wanting to try it.

The PP stated " Just being somewhere different is fun."

My point is that just because it's different, doesn't make it more "fun" or better.

Some places aren’t necessarily “better” than other places but being somewhere new is fun for some people. Shake up the routine. Try new things. Appreciate things you like in other places.

People can find enjoyable things to do in most places where colleges are located.

YMMV.

"Try new things.."' what new things can an 18 yr old in PA try that they can't try in MD or VA?

Go to Penn state football game?

? that's kind of silly. You can still go to a Penn State football game while you attend UVA or UMD. They allow non students to attend their games you know.

I'm not the pp you quoted.
But Penn state isn't exactly a short trip from UVA or UMD. You'd need a car, which many college students don't have, and aren't able to rent due to age. A hotel room. I don't know about Penn state specifically but many college football stadiums have a "student section" which are the most fun for students--if you don't have a student ID (for that specific school) you can't get in to those sections.

I'm sorry, but that's a dumb answer to the question, though.

paying oos so that they could go to the football games there and sit in the student section -- seems to be a superficial, immature reason to pay oos for college.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is a bastion of southern pride and it isn't a good fit for everyone.

? southern pride is a good fit for non white people? LOL .. as a non white person, no, it's not a fit for everyone. Not even close. LOL

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

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Anonymous wrote:College students care much less about museums and culture than parents. Students choose OOS flagships bc they want a big school, big sports experience. These schools are mostly in cities where the university is the center of the city.

It’s not for everybody, but many students like the traditional college experience.

+100

Absolutely agree. They want the big school, big sports experience - it's not because the towns of the OOS flagships are so great in comparison to their home cities.

I don’t think the towns even necessarily need to be “better”. Just being somewhere different is fun.

er.. different is not always fun.

You’ll never know if you don’t try.

Sure, and they may hate it.

I have lived in different cities and state across the country. My spouse even moved to a different continent. Different is not always better. But, sure, I can understand wanting to try it.

The PP stated " Just being somewhere different is fun."

My point is that just because it's different, doesn't make it more "fun" or better.

Some places aren’t necessarily “better” than other places but being somewhere new is fun for some people. Shake up the routine. Try new things. Appreciate things you like in other places.

People can find enjoyable things to do in most places where colleges are located.

YMMV.

"Try new things.."' what new things can an 18 yr old in PA try that they can't try in MD or VA?

Go to Penn state football game?

? that's kind of silly. You can still go to a Penn State football game while you attend UVA or UMD. They allow non students to attend their games you know.

I'm not the pp you quoted.
But Penn state isn't exactly a short trip from UVA or UMD. You'd need a car, which many college students don't have, and aren't able to rent due to age. A hotel room. I don't know about Penn state specifically but many college football stadiums have a "student section" which are the most fun for students--if you don't have a student ID (for that specific school) you can't get in to those sections.

I'm sorry, but that's a dumb answer to the question, though.

paying oos so that they could go to the football games there and sit in the student section -- seems to be a superficial, immature reason to pay oos for college.

Strawman. The question was what is something you can do in PA but not VA/MD. NOT why does the kid want to go to school OOS.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is a thread about UVA at this point but we are in MD and my kid doesn’t want to go to UMD. Is not interested in STEM. Doesn’t like that it’s 20 minutes from home, would prefer a college town, and would prefer more school spirit.

UVA booster here. I get that. Not only is UMD not in the same league as UVA reputation wise, it’s so close that it has a metro stop. That doesn’t work for a lot of kids. Makes total sense.

UMD is better than UVa in all the rigorous majors. More National Championships Nobels, Pulitzers, Emmys, Academy Awards, Fields Medals among alumni than all the Virginia schools put together. UMD is B1G and uva is loser ACC.

How are UVA boosters teased on here when this person keeps posting this?

Because they are a-holes and crazy. Not just crazy.

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Some people are just more reasonable than others I suppose. Many DCUM college obsessed posters treat selecting a college for their kid like finding them a marriage partner or a soulmate. It just isn’t that way. There is no perfect fit but there are plenty of good ones. You need to go into the college selection process rationally, not emotionally. For most families it’s the most expensive thing they’re going to be paying for outside of their house.

I had two kids go to UVA in state. One turned down a perennial top 20 private and the other turned down a top OOS flagship. Both would have been full pay, and had it made any sense to any of us involved we would have paid it. We’re not poor. It’s just that, in the final analysis, it made no practical sense to go to either of those schools for twice the price of UVA.

Neither one of them had the best time of their lives in college. They had a very good time, though, and made good friends. The time of their lives came after college, when they traveled a lot then got good jobs and met and married great spouses.

There aren’t that many people for whom spending twice as much for college than they need to is doable at the wink of an eye. For those people - whatever. Have at it. But for the merely average rich among us, succumbing to the college arms race at such a ridiculous expense is insane.