Anonymous wrote:I wonder how some of you would think if a book were in the school library with pictures of aborted babies and the abortion process.
You’re asking if we object to medical photographs?
Sure, medical photographs can be gross for those who are not in the medical profession. But kids take anatomy in high school. I assume they see images there many people would find gross.
Anonymous wrote:I wonder how some of you would think if a book were in the school library with pictures of aborted babies and the abortion process.
In the first place, a forced birther like you would insist on faked versions of 40 week fetuses and other lies. In the second place, you find a lot of medical books in middle and high schools? I can’t even think of many in my regular public library and it’s one of the best in the country.
Anonymous wrote:I wonder how some of you would think if a book were in the school library with pictures of aborted babies and the abortion process.
What about a book that depicted open heart surgery or amputations?
How about photographs of Holocaust victims?
How about a history book showing Kent State or the Napalm girl?
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone on dcum know someone personally impacted by all of this crazy book banning?
I’d like to hear from someone who supports these bans to share a story of someone they know who was personally harmed by one of the books banned.
Interesting that no one could give specific example of this.
Why does someone have to be “personally harmed” for it to be wrong? Would you like *your* young children exposed to, say, a religion you don’t practice or political opinions you don’t agree with - while in school?? You’d be the first to be outraged about that. Such hypocrisy. Read all the sexual books you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.
We’re talking about high school. Do you think high schoolers have to be sheltered fromm”sexual content” in the form of a comic book?
I have no problem with my teenagers reading this book.
I have no problem with children learning about different religions at any age. What a weird fear.
NP. Yes, I want my high schooler to be sheltered from sexual content. That's a parenting decision. You can make a different parenting decision. We can both have what we want by not placing highly sexual content in schools.
Do I also get to take things out of schools I find objectionable? I find the pledge of allegiance objectionable on several levels. Can I have it removed so that not just my but all kids are not exposed to it? Do you agree that’s my right as a parent?
The Pledge of Allegiance? Why is that objectionable to you?
Because it’s indoctrination. On a superficial level I don’t believe kids should feel pressure to mention god in schools. And I think mindless chants like this are at best silly and at worst too like the indoctrination that took place in authoritarian regimes of the 20th century, both fascist and communist.
Also do you not know any Jehovah’s Witnesses? If your school had a number of families of that faith you ok with them petitioning to get rid of the pledge?
DP. So you consider the Pledge of Allegiance “mindless indoctrination,” but you’re a-ok with books that depict graphic sex acts in our public school libraries. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.
No one is making kids read those books and they are certainly not reading them aloud in the classroom on a daily basis.
Are you that bad at arguing your point? Apparently so.
We have so many kids in this country who are unsupervised and accessing all kinds of violent and sexually explicit materials in their homes. Public schools do not need to be making such materials easily available.
Guess what, they're not! The book in question is nowhere near what you seem to be describing.
I bet you want to ban Toni Morrison, too, don't you.
How about we ban the Bible? Talk about explicit! Rapes, murder, teenagers being impregnated by god, descriptions of genitals. I'd like to ban that in every school. Agree?
I think you know kids aren't checking out the Bible at school.
I thought the point was to ban things conservatives fine objectionable like violent and sexual material, not whether it’s popular or not. There’s no consistency.
First of all, i work in public schools evaluatiing kids. If there is a Bible in the middle or high school media centers in my school system, you'd have to look hard to find them. I would have no objection to Toni Morrison's books in a senior high school. I stand by my previous comments that I do not think any sexually explicit materials should be in an elementary or middle school.
Where has Gender Queer been in an elementary school library? Or even middle schools?
Wait. Grades 9-12 are high school. Are you saying a school that has grades 6-12 should only have books in their library that are appropriate for grades 6-8? Is that what you are suggesting? That high schoolers in such a situation should still be stuck reading middle-school level books??? WTH.
When my kids were younger, they could only check out books that were in their age categories. Pretty sure this is typical. It's an easy remedy.
I'm saying this is an example of Gender Queer being in a library in a 6-8 setting, since an example was requested.
You are being so obviously silly, I'm not going to address your questions. Being against pornography in schools is clearly not the same as being against advanced level literature being in schools. This is why no one takes you people and your strawmen seriously.
Except if you read the story you will the the quote that says middle schoolers can't check it out.
Ok, lets go with that, that no middle schools in America have this book. Im still trying to understand to understand the left's position that this book is age appropriate. While I grant that the book has some educational and mind expanding concepts, it has passages that are far too mature for school children up to grade 12. Specifically, I'm disturbed by the scene of tqo sisters sitting together, legs draped over each other, while one sister encourages the other to taste her vaginal fluid. I'm also concerned about the scene with the dildo and the dialogue including "I want your c--- in my mouth" and "I'm going to give you the bl----- of your life". I think alternative texts may be more appropriate for schools.
Tell the truth: you think there is no age your precious darling one should see this book.
I remember in 1970s sneaking looks at "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex" when I was 12 os so and babysitting. So glad I did. What they taught us in school was incredibly lacking.
Reading that book kept me from engaging in sex until I was out of college.
Knowledge is power. I was actually in Salvation Army one time when I overheard an elderly woman tell her friend she got pregnant in middle school because she had no idea what sex was and no idea what was happening.
Can you address the content pp found inappropriate? Why are you ignoring that component?
DP in the context of the book I think these scenes are not meant as titillating and pornographic. Just like Judy Blume, whose books have been challenged. Parents might feel uncomfortable with the idea of their kids reading some of her stories, but they are the sorts of issues that kids wonder and think about. The body is not a gross disgusting shameful thing. It’s so much healthier for kids to be comfortable with their bodies than ashamed of them.
And again, if you think these things are shameful and too adult for your 16 year old to know about, that’s your prerogative as a parent. You don’t get to dictate what other parents decide for theirs.
I read Judy Blume's "are you there, God?" She didnt talk about tasting her vaginal fluid or wanting c---- in her mouth.
Where is the line? Is there one?
Not one you should be drawing, that's for sure, Church Lady.
Most seniors in high school are 18 and ADULTS.
Except that this book is available to kids from ages 12-18. Nice try, though.
DP
Nope. Only to high schoolers the story says. Not middle school
Nope. Schools like Robinson and Lake Braddock serve both middle and high schoolers. They share a library.
That doesn't mean the middle schoolers are allowed to check out high school level books. Or do you not know how these things work?
Honestly, it's pretty clear you're the one who "doesn't know how these things work."
Nope. My kids were in a school where they were only allowed to check out the books for their grades or below. They could not check out books for higher grades, even though they read at that level. It was very strict, and a public school in the DC area. That's how these things work.
The book is not hidden behind a brown paper cover, like Playboys of yore, you dunce. If it's in the library, it's available for anyone to read. They may not be "allowed" to check it out, but they can certainly sit down and read it.
Do you think librarians don't monitor their libraries? Do you think high school kids have some class where they go and sit in the library and read? LOL
Um... yes and yes!! Too funny. It's almost as if you don't have kids at all. Both my kids had free periods which they spent in the library, working on homework or READING. The librarians aren't monitoring what they read. That would be *gasp* censorship!
My kids' librarians DID monitor them when in elementary and middle school.
In high school my kids did not spend much time in the library at all. Most high schoolers don't. Methinks this is so much ado about nothing.
We are talking about high school, not elementary and middle. Although some of these high schools include middle school grades. At any rate, plenty of kids spend time in the library. As mentioned above, kids often have free periods that they can spend there. And while there, they are able to look at any book they choose.
Anonymous wrote:I wonder how some of you would think if a book were in the school library with pictures of aborted babies and the abortion process.
What about a book that depicted open heart surgery or amputations?
How about photographs of Holocaust victims?
How about a history book showing Kent State or the Napalm girl?
Anonymous wrote:I wonder how some of you would think if a book were in the school library with pictures of aborted babies and the abortion process.
In the first place, a forced birther like you would insist on faked versions of 40 week fetuses and other lies. In the second place, you find a lot of medical books in middle and high schools? I can’t even think of many in my regular public library and it’s one of the best in the country.
DP. Why aren’t they in HS? All of this is a philosophical question on where to draw the lines. Shouldn’t pro-abortion/anti-abortion books with or with pictures on photos be allowed alongside (figuratively) books like Gender Queer?
Anonymous wrote:I wonder how some of you would think if a book were in the school library with pictures of aborted babies and the abortion process.
In the first place, a forced birther like you would insist on faked versions of 40 week fetuses and other lies. In the second place, you find a lot of medical books in middle and high schools? I can’t even think of many in my regular public library and it’s one of the best in the country.
DP. Why aren’t they in HS? All of this is a philosophical question on where to draw the lines. Shouldn’t pro-abortion/anti-abortion books with or with pictures on photos be allowed alongside (figuratively) books like Gender Queer?
I wonder how many high schoolers have expressed an interest in books containing photos of aborted fetuses to their librarians.
Anonymous wrote:I wonder how some of you would think if a book were in the school library with pictures of aborted babies and the abortion process.
In the first place, a forced birther like you would insist on faked versions of 40 week fetuses and other lies. In the second place, you find a lot of medical books in middle and high schools? I can’t even think of many in my regular public library and it’s one of the best in the country.
DP. Why aren’t they in HS? All of this is a philosophical question on where to draw the lines. Shouldn’t pro-abortion/anti-abortion books with or with pictures on photos be allowed alongside (figuratively) books like Gender Queer?
So books that help people work through their emotions are bad but forced birther propaganda is good?
Anonymous wrote:I wonder how some of you would think if a book were in the school library with pictures of aborted babies and the abortion process.
In the first place, a forced birther like you would insist on faked versions of 40 week fetuses and other lies. In the second place, you find a lot of medical books in middle and high schools? I can’t even think of many in my regular public library and it’s one of the best in the country.
DP. Why aren’t they in HS? All of this is a philosophical question on where to draw the lines. Shouldn’t pro-abortion/anti-abortion books with or with pictures on photos be allowed alongside (figuratively) books like Gender Queer?
I wonder how many high schoolers have expressed an interest in books containing photos of aborted fetuses to their librarians.
Just the brainwashed ones.
For the forced birther who thinks she’s got a real trump card here, I’ll show you what a six week embryo looks like:
Anonymous wrote:I wonder how some of you would think if a book were in the school library with pictures of aborted babies and the abortion process.
In the first place, a forced birther like you would insist on faked versions of 40 week fetuses and other lies. In the second place, you find a lot of medical books in middle and high schools? I can’t even think of many in my regular public library and it’s one of the best in the country.
DP. Why aren’t they in HS? All of this is a philosophical question on where to draw the lines. Shouldn’t pro-abortion/anti-abortion books with or with pictures on photos be allowed alongside (figuratively) books like Gender Queer?
I wonder how many high schoolers have expressed an interest in books containing photos of aborted fetuses to their librarians.
Just the brainwashed ones.
For the forced birther who thinks she’s got a real trump card here, I’ll show you what a six week embryo looks like:
Anonymous wrote:I wonder how some of you would think if a book were in the school library with pictures of aborted babies and the abortion process.
In the first place, a forced birther like you would insist on faked versions of 40 week fetuses and other lies. In the second place, you find a lot of medical books in middle and high schools? I can’t even think of many in my regular public library and it’s one of the best in the country.
DP. Why aren’t they in HS? All of this is a philosophical question on where to draw the lines. Shouldn’t pro-abortion/anti-abortion books with or with pictures on photos be allowed alongside (figuratively) books like Gender Queer?
I wonder how many high schoolers have expressed an interest in books containing photos of aborted fetuses to their librarians.
Just the brainwashed ones.
For the forced birther who thinks she’s got a real trump card here, I’ll show you what a six week embryo looks like:
“Missouri has banned nearly 300 books in at least 11 school districts since August, PEN America said today and— joined by over 20 authors and illustrators, including prize winners and best-sellers like Margaret Atwood, Art Spiegelman, Lois Lowry and others— called on school districts to immediately reverse the bans and return all books to library shelves.
School districts have banned works on Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo, graphic novel adaptations of classics by Shakespeare and Mark Twain as well as The Gettysburg Address, the Pulitzer-prize winning Maus, and educational books about the Holocaust. Also banned have been comics about Batman, X-Men, and Watchmen; The Complete Guide to Drawing & Painting by Reader’s Digest; Women (a book of photographs by Annie Leibovitz); and The Children’s Bible. The complete list of books banned in Missouri records 297 books across the state.”
https://pen.org/press-release/call-for-missouri-school-districts-to-end-book-bans/
“Missouri has banned nearly 300 books in at least 11 school districts since August, PEN America said today and— joined by over 20 authors and illustrators, including prize winners and best-sellers like Margaret Atwood, Art Spiegelman, Lois Lowry and others— called on school districts to immediately reverse the bans and return all books to library shelves.
School districts have banned works on Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo, graphic novel adaptations of classics by Shakespeare and Mark Twain as well as The Gettysburg Address, the Pulitzer-prize winning Maus, and educational books about the Holocaust. Also banned have been comics about Batman, X-Men, and Watchmen; The Complete Guide to Drawing & Painting by Reader’s Digest; Women (a book of photographs by Annie Leibovitz); and The Children’s Bible. The complete list of books banned in Missouri records 297 books across the state.”
https://pen.org/press-release/call-for-missouri-school-districts-to-end-book-bans/
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