FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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A HS with only 4% FARMs in a county with overall 40% FARMs is simply too unbalanced. Unfortunately, the location of Langley makes it difficult to rebalance up to an average but it seems FCPS can get it up to 10-15% FARMs fairly simply.

If people who live in the Langley boundary are so horrified by the prospect of their kids attending a school with 15% FARMs that they must flee to private, so be it. Their choice. But having what is basically a private school in a public school system is not a reasonable expectation.

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Anonymous wrote:A poster above says leaving space for an academy at Herndon. Is this proposed new academy for there or one already in place?

There is no academy currently at Herndon HS, nor any proposal on the table to create one. PP is just saying there might be room for one since Herndon HS now has more than twice the capacity of Herndon MS.

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Anonymous wrote:A poster above says leaving space for an academy at Herndon. Is this proposed new academy for there or one already in place?

Dr. Reid has mentioned a desire to get an aviation academy up and running. Herndon High is a logical location given its proximity to Dulles.

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Anonymous wrote:A HS with only 4% FARMs in a county with overall 40% FARMs is simply too unbalanced. Unfortunately, the location of Langley makes it difficult to rebalance up to an average but it seems FCPS can get it up to 10-15% FARMs fairly simply.

If people who live in the Langley boundary are so horrified by the prospect of their kids attending a school with 15% FARMs that they must flee to private, so be it. Their choice. But having what is basically a private school in a public school system is not a reasonable expectation.

You sound bitter for someone who concedes that there are geographic limitations at play.

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Coates boundary process has maps including SPAs-school planning areas. https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/boundary...chool-boundary-study
under 2025 are the maps https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf

Oak Hill is in the Coates boundary process which extends to Lake Anne in Reston. SPA map lists some SPA Forestville, Colvin Run, Forest Edge which are among those excluded from this process:
SPA 502- Holly Knoll- accesible via Route 7. North of Route 7 and west of Georgetown Pike intersection. Dranesville?
SPA 508- Herndon non town. Dranesville comprehensive review?
SPA 1111
SPA 1201- odd since it mixes 1 where you can not drive on 7 to get to a school and 1 that does.
SPA 1809-Forest Edge has a road that connects to SPA 1806 Colvin Run - no Route 7 drive to school if changed.
SPA 1209-need to drive on Route 7- currently longer to go to Colvin Run/Langley - shorter on 7 and less drive time to Forest Edge.

Good grief. They even included Lees Corner in the study. What are they thinking?

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Anonymous wrote:A poster above says leaving space for an academy at Herndon. Is this proposed new academy for there or one already in place?

Dr. Reid has mentioned a desire to get an aviation academy up and running. Herndon High is a logical location given its proximity to Dulles.

Sure, and Dr. Reid has mentioned a desire for universal pre-K and for every middle school to be 6-8 grades. And she'd love hundreds of millions of additional dollars from the county and state to help fulfill her wish list.

That doesn't mean all these things will happen. Nothing is yet on the table to create an academy at Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:A HS with only 4% FARMs in a county with overall 40% FARMs is simply too unbalanced. Unfortunately, the location of Langley makes it difficult to rebalance up to an average but it seems FCPS can get it up to 10-15% FARMs fairly simply.

If people who live in the Langley boundary are so horrified by the prospect of their kids attending a school with 15% FARMs that they must flee to private, so be it. Their choice. But having what is basically a private school in a public school system is not a reasonable expectation.

Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:A poster above says leaving space for an academy at Herndon. Is this proposed new academy for there or one already in place?

Dr. Reid has mentioned a desire to get an aviation academy up and running. Herndon High is a logical location given its proximity to Dulles.

Sure, and Dr. Reid has mentioned a desire for universal pre-K and for every middle school to be 6-8 grades. And she'd love hundreds of millions of additional dollars from the county and state to help fulfill her wish list.

That doesn't mean all these things will happen. Nothing is yet on the table to create an academy at Herndon.

My understanding is that aviation academy will be discussed at BRAC.

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Anonymous wrote:The Coates boundary review is on an accelerated timetable distinct from the county-wide study. Schools that are excluded from the scope of the Coates study, such as Forestville, Colvin Run, and Forest Edge, may nevertheless be affected by the county-wide review.

Yes I understand that. The Coates review maps simply give the public access to see SPA s. One is odd since it combines 2 areas with distinctly different driving - Do results or schools in the Coates process get removed from the comprehensive review? For example Dranesville will have hundreds more capacity with est completion date winter 2026. Current Enrollment: 588 students
• Proposed Design Capacity: 1000 students

Hunters Woods?

The Dranesville situation is odd, but apparently the existing design capacity is already 1000 students. The program capacity is stated as much lower (748) but still well above the current enrollment.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

How do you get 60 kids in total?

DP. It's two buildings with 516 planned units currently zoned to Marshall. Using the historical yield formula, that would be about 14-15 more HS kids. It would be closer to 60 for the entire pyramid (ES, MS, and HS). The yield could always turn out to be higher.

There will be 98 three bedroom apartments and over 200 two bedroom apartments. Those will yield more than 60 students.

Cool. Now do TRG, HTOC, 555 Herndon Parkway, and Fairbrook. Or do we only want to count housing developments when it suits an agenda?

DP, but they've broken ground at the Exchange at Spring Hill and at Somos (two all-affordable housing complexes currently zoned to Marshall). You're referring to a bunch of plans that, in some cases, may never come to fruition or may not come to fruition for years.

It really won't tank Langley if the Exchange, which is near areas on the other side of the Toll Road already zoned to Langley, were reassigned there.

555 Exchange has broken ground too. About 500 residential units.

Any guess as to whether FCPS has included it in the CIP? I think we all know the answer.

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Anonymous wrote:A poster above says leaving space for an academy at Herndon. Is this proposed new academy for there or one already in place?

Dr. Reid has mentioned a desire to get an aviation academy up and running. Herndon High is a logical location given its proximity to Dulles.

Sure, and Dr. Reid has mentioned a desire for universal pre-K and for every middle school to be 6-8 grades. And she'd love hundreds of millions of additional dollars from the county and state to help fulfill her wish list.

That doesn't mean all these things will happen. Nothing is yet on the table to create an academy at Herndon.

My understanding is that aviation academy will be discussed at BRAC.

Any aviation academy is many years away.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

How do you get 60 kids in total?

DP. It's two buildings with 516 planned units currently zoned to Marshall. Using the historical yield formula, that would be about 14-15 more HS kids. It would be closer to 60 for the entire pyramid (ES, MS, and HS). The yield could always turn out to be higher.

There will be 98 three bedroom apartments and over 200 two bedroom apartments. Those will yield more than 60 students.

Cool. Now do TRG, HTOC, 555 Herndon Parkway, and Fairbrook. Or do we only want to count housing developments when it suits an agenda?

DP, but they've broken ground at the Exchange at Spring Hill and at Somos (two all-affordable housing complexes currently zoned to Marshall). You're referring to a bunch of plans that, in some cases, may never come to fruition or may not come to fruition for years.

It really won't tank Langley if the Exchange, which is near areas on the other side of the Toll Road already zoned to Langley, were reassigned there.

555 Exchange has broken ground too. About 500 residential units.

Any guess as to whether FCPS has included it in the CIP? I think we all know the answer.

Not as of mid-December 2024, it hadn't.

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/12/19/design-approved-for-first-mixed-use-redevelopment-near-herndon-metro-station/

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

How do you get 60 kids in total?

DP. It's two buildings with 516 planned units currently zoned to Marshall. Using the historical yield formula, that would be about 14-15 more HS kids. It would be closer to 60 for the entire pyramid (ES, MS, and HS). The yield could always turn out to be higher.

There will be 98 three bedroom apartments and over 200 two bedroom apartments. Those will yield more than 60 students.

Cool. Now do TRG, HTOC, 555 Herndon Parkway, and Fairbrook. Or do we only want to count housing developments when it suits an agenda?

DP, but they've broken ground at the Exchange at Spring Hill and at Somos (two all-affordable housing complexes currently zoned to Marshall). You're referring to a bunch of plans that, in some cases, may never come to fruition or may not come to fruition for years.

It really won't tank Langley if the Exchange, which is near areas on the other side of the Toll Road already zoned to Langley, were reassigned there.

555 Exchange has broken ground too. About 500 residential units.

Any guess as to whether FCPS has included it in the CIP? I think we all know the answer.

Not as of mid-December 2024, it hadn't.

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/12/19/design-approved-for-first-mixed-use-redevelopment-near-herndon-metro-station/

They haven’t voted on the final CIP. You’re telling me that within a month we went from a zero percent chance of 555 being built to a 100%?

Stop making excuses for their flawed CIP process. They should be accurate with their projections, not rigid with semantics that leads to hundreds of millions of dollars in costly mistakes.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

How do you get 60 kids in total?

DP. It's two buildings with 516 planned units currently zoned to Marshall. Using the historical yield formula, that would be about 14-15 more HS kids. It would be closer to 60 for the entire pyramid (ES, MS, and HS). The yield could always turn out to be higher.

There will be 98 three bedroom apartments and over 200 two bedroom apartments. Those will yield more than 60 students.

Cool. Now do TRG, HTOC, 555 Herndon Parkway, and Fairbrook. Or do we only want to count housing developments when it suits an agenda?

DP, but they've broken ground at the Exchange at Spring Hill and at Somos (two all-affordable housing complexes currently zoned to Marshall). You're referring to a bunch of plans that, in some cases, may never come to fruition or may not come to fruition for years.

It really won't tank Langley if the Exchange, which is near areas on the other side of the Toll Road already zoned to Langley, were reassigned there.

555 Exchange has broken ground too. About 500 residential units.

Any guess as to whether FCPS has included it in the CIP? I think we all know the answer.

Not as of mid-December 2024, it hadn't.

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/12/19/design-approved-for-first-mixed-use-redevelopment-near-herndon-metro-station/

They haven’t voted on the final CIP. You’re telling me that within a month we went from a zero percent chance of 555 being built to a 100%?

Stop making excuses for their flawed CIP process. They should be accurate with their projections, not rigid with semantics that leads to hundreds of millions of dollars in costly mistakes.

I'm not saying anything about their CIP process. I'm saying construction has definitely begun on some AH projects in Tysons, and that hasn't yet happened with respect to many of the potential developments in Herndon.

If you have proof that the developer has broken ground on 555 Herndon Parkway, feel free to share.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

How do you get 60 kids in total?

DP. It's two buildings with 516 planned units currently zoned to Marshall. Using the historical yield formula, that would be about 14-15 more HS kids. It would be closer to 60 for the entire pyramid (ES, MS, and HS). The yield could always turn out to be higher.

There will be 98 three bedroom apartments and over 200 two bedroom apartments. Those will yield more than 60 students.

Cool. Now do TRG, HTOC, 555 Herndon Parkway, and Fairbrook. Or do we only want to count housing developments when it suits an agenda?

DP, but they've broken ground at the Exchange at Spring Hill and at Somos (two all-affordable housing complexes currently zoned to Marshall). You're referring to a bunch of plans that, in some cases, may never come to fruition or may not come to fruition for years.

It really won't tank Langley if the Exchange, which is near areas on the other side of the Toll Road already zoned to Langley, were reassigned there.

555 Exchange has broken ground too. About 500 residential units.

Any guess as to whether FCPS has included it in the CIP? I think we all know the answer.

Not as of mid-December 2024, it hadn't.

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/12/19/design-approved-for-first-mixed-use-redevelopment-near-herndon-metro-station/

They haven’t voted on the final CIP. You’re telling me that within a month we went from a zero percent chance of 555 being built to a 100%?

Stop making excuses for their flawed CIP process. They should be accurate with their projections, not rigid with semantics that leads to hundreds of millions of dollars in costly mistakes.

I'm not saying anything about their CIP process. I'm saying construction has definitely begun on some AH projects in Tysons, and that hasn't yet happened with respect to many of the potential developments in Herndon.

If you have proof that the developer has broken ground on 555 Herndon Parkway, feel free to share.

Such a weird head-in-the-sand statement. Want me to drive by and capture forensic images? It’s broken ground.