ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Will the best ECNL players -- especially Q1-Q2 -- now bolt for MLSN?

Why weren't they with MLS Next to begin with?

The Q2 in ECNL will be displaced by the Q4s the prior year. They prob would not make an MLS 1 team anyway or like you said, they would already be there.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the best ECNL players -- especially Q1-Q2 -- now bolt for MLSN?

Why weren't they with MLS Next to begin with?

The Q2 in ECNL will be displaced by the Q4s the prior year. They prob would not make an MLS 1 team anyway or like you said, they would already be there.

Age is a big factor especially up to u16 in team selection. It’s not a coincidence most MLSN1 teams are loaded with q1 and q2.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Will the best ECNL players -- especially Q1-Q2 -- now bolt for MLSN?

Why weren't they with MLS Next to begin with?

Only our RL players go to MLS1. Just look at Surf College Cup last weekend. Most MLS1 teams are at the bottom of the group.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

Alphabet soup. kids and parents want to be on the top team within a club. MLSN2 is firmly a third best option now.

If MLSN2 is second to MLS Next, how is it 3rd overall?

I would say mlsn2 is still a second tier option but only because ECNL and Mlsn1 are on the same level now. They are the top SY and BY leagues respectively

Funny guy

Toyota and Rolls Royce are on same level because they are both top in their categories

If you look at Surf College Cup result, MLS1 teams are usually on the bottom of their group and some are even beaten by RL teams. One MLS1 team got tied by a younger ECNL team that plays up. P2P MLS1 which are 90% of MLS1 teams are just mediocre.

MLS Next is still the premier league and the college recruiting and rosters verify that

It should be more precise to say MLSN "Academy" is the top. P2P MLSN has nothing to do with the real MLSN Academy except one token game a year to play down against their younger team. The average level of P2P MLSN is worse than ECNL. Been with both.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the best ECNL players -- especially Q1-Q2 -- now bolt for MLSN?

Why weren't they with MLS Next to begin with?

The Q2 in ECNL will be displaced by the Q4s the prior year. They prob would not make an MLS 1 team anyway or like you said, they would already be there.

Age is a big factor especially up to u16 in team selection. It’s not a coincidence most MLSN1 teams are loaded with q1 and q2.

When do you think age is not a big factor any more? Maybe at 16 years old?

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Partly agree. If kids are not putting in the work it’s going to be rare with age change to go up from team 2 to 1.

But a kid who’s mid pack or bottom of their current top team with Aug to Dec bday will definitely move up one notch.

Just my life example but I watch the 2011s practice with my kids 2012 team during high school season they are all sub level players mostly and all 5 would be starters and arguably best players on my kids team.

To think no shake up is coming would be arrogant and ignorant.

For boys nothing will change other than some boys will leave for MLSN to ECNL but also some ECNL kids will leave for MLSN it will all even out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Will the best ECNL players -- especially Q1-Q2 -- now bolt for MLSN?

Why weren't they with MLS Next to begin with?

Only our RL players go to MLS1. Just look at Surf College Cup last weekend. Most MLS1 teams are at the bottom of the group.

This happened at the Copa Rayados Internacional in Houston last week as well. Poor performance by MLSN teams. Got beaten consistently by ECNL RL teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the best ECNL players -- especially Q1-Q2 -- now bolt for MLSN?

Why weren't they with MLS Next to begin with?

Only our RL players go to MLS1. Just look at Surf College Cup last weekend. Most MLS1 teams are at the bottom of the group.

This happened at the Copa Rayados Internacional in Houston last week as well. Poor performance by MLSN teams. Got beaten consistently by ECNL RL teams.

Maybe they were feeling down, thinking the entire platform would have to switch to SY. Now, watch out!

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Partly agree. If kids are not putting in the work it’s going to be rare with age change to go up from team 2 to 1.

But a kid who’s mid pack or bottom of their current top team with Aug to Dec bday will definitely move up one notch.

Just my life example but I watch the 2011s practice with my kids 2012 team during high school season they are all sub level players mostly and all 5 would be starters and arguably best players on my kids team.

To think no shake up is coming would be arrogant and ignorant.

For boys nothing will change other than some boys will leave for MLSN to ECNL but also some ECNL kids will leave for MLSN it will all even out.

ECNL will become the preferred landing spot altogether as they allow HS soccer in top of it too.MLSN2 will become an absolute joke as it will have absolutely no connection to a pro pathway. Would not be shocked if MLSN folds in a few years.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Partly agree. If kids are not putting in the work it’s going to be rare with age change to go up from team 2 to 1.

But a kid who’s mid pack or bottom of their current top team with Aug to Dec bday will definitely move up one notch.

Just my life example but I watch the 2011s practice with my kids 2012 team during high school season they are all sub level players mostly and all 5 would be starters and arguably best players on my kids team.

To think no shake up is coming would be arrogant and ignorant.

For boys nothing will change other than some boys will leave for MLSN to ECNL but also some ECNL kids will leave for MLSN it will all even out.

ECNL will become the preferred landing spot altogether as they allow HS soccer in top of it too.MLSN2 will become an absolute joke as it will have absolutely no connection to a pro pathway. Would not be shocked if MLSN folds in a few years.

Seems like MLSN2 and ECNL are the same thing to me.

Lots of homers commenting on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Partly agree. If kids are not putting in the work it’s going to be rare with age change to go up from team 2 to 1.

But a kid who’s mid pack or bottom of their current top team with Aug to Dec bday will definitely move up one notch.

Just my life example but I watch the 2011s practice with my kids 2012 team during high school season they are all sub level players mostly and all 5 would be starters and arguably best players on my kids team.

To think no shake up is coming would be arrogant and ignorant.

For boys nothing will change other than some boys will leave for MLSN to ECNL but also some ECNL kids will leave for MLSN it will all even out.

ECNL will become the preferred landing spot altogether as they allow HS soccer in top of it too.MLSN2 will become an absolute joke as it will have absolutely no connection to a pro pathway. Would not be shocked if MLSN folds in a few years.

Seems like MLSN2 and ECNL are the same thing to me.

Lots of homers commenting on this thread.

If you're talking about College only MLSN2 would have more connections than ECNL with college coaches from MLSN1 interactions with the Club DOC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Will the best ECNL players -- especially Q1-Q2 -- now bolt for MLSN?

Why weren't they with MLS Next to begin with?

Only our RL players go to MLS1. Just look at Surf College Cup last weekend. Most MLS1 teams are at the bottom of the group.

Where you live matters a ton for the MLS Next v ECNL argument. In Cali etc ECNL is stronger than it is in the mid Atlantic and northeast.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Partly agree. If kids are not putting in the work it’s going to be rare with age change to go up from team 2 to 1.

But a kid who’s mid pack or bottom of their current top team with Aug to Dec bday will definitely move up one notch.

Just my life example but I watch the 2011s practice with my kids 2012 team during high school season they are all sub level players mostly and all 5 would be starters and arguably best players on my kids team.

To think no shake up is coming would be arrogant and ignorant.

For boys nothing will change other than some boys will leave for MLSN to ECNL but also some ECNL kids will leave for MLSN it will all even out.

ECNL will become the preferred landing spot altogether as they allow HS soccer in top of it too.MLSN2 will become an absolute joke as it will have absolutely no connection to a pro pathway. Would not be shocked if MLSN folds in a few years.

Seems like MLSN2 and ECNL are the same thing to me.

Lots of homers commenting on this thread.

If you're talking about College only MLSN2 would have more connections than ECNL with college coaches from MLSN1 interactions with the Club DOC.

Totally different level of colleges targeting mlsn1 vs 2.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Partly agree. If kids are not putting in the work it’s going to be rare with age change to go up from team 2 to 1.

But a kid who’s mid pack or bottom of their current top team with Aug to Dec bday will definitely move up one notch.

Just my life example but I watch the 2011s practice with my kids 2012 team during high school season they are all sub level players mostly and all 5 would be starters and arguably best players on my kids team.

To think no shake up is coming would be arrogant and ignorant.

For boys nothing will change other than some boys will leave for MLSN to ECNL but also some ECNL kids will leave for MLSN it will all even out.

ECNL will become the preferred landing spot altogether as they allow HS soccer in top of it too.MLSN2 will become an absolute joke as it will have absolutely no connection to a pro pathway. Would not be shocked if MLSN folds in a few years.

Seems like MLSN2 and ECNL are the same thing to me.

Lots of homers commenting on this thread.

If you're talking about College only MLSN2 would have more connections than ECNL with college coaches from MLSN1 interactions with the Club DOC.

Myth.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

The age cutoff isn't the reason kids are on 2nd and 3rd teams today
It won't be the reason tomorrow

The majority of development responsibilities for youth is on the kids and parents
The system has its faults, but it's not responsible

Partly agree. If kids are not putting in the work it’s going to be rare with age change to go up from team 2 to 1.

But a kid who’s mid pack or bottom of their current top team with Aug to Dec bday will definitely move up one notch.

Just my life example but I watch the 2011s practice with my kids 2012 team during high school season they are all sub level players mostly and all 5 would be starters and arguably best players on my kids team.

To think no shake up is coming would be arrogant and ignorant.

For boys nothing will change other than some boys will leave for MLSN to ECNL but also some ECNL kids will leave for MLSN it will all even out.

ECNL will become the preferred landing spot altogether as they allow HS soccer in top of it too.MLSN2 will become an absolute joke as it will have absolutely no connection to a pro pathway. Would not be shocked if MLSN folds in a few years.

Seems like MLSN2 and ECNL are the same thing to me.

Lots of homers commenting on this thread.

That went beyond homer and into clueless territory.