Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss

[Anonymous]

Again -- there is no single "Non-CCL Guy."

I've expressed a lot of skepticism about CCL. Then I've seen other points made about CCL that seem valid to me.

I'm definitely NOT the guy who made the "bi-polar" comment, which I frankly find tasteless.

I'm the guy who has posted, probably many times, about the pyramid being upside-down. You could construe that as "Non-CCL," but it doesn't actually preclude CCL from having a role.

And I think it's ridiculous to peg anyone, including me, as being some lone wolf complaining about the "travel" in travel soccer. Give 100 soccer parents a choice between driving 30 minutes one way and driving 2-4 hours one way, and tell me what sort of response you get. It's a legitimate concern, and I understand CCL is addressing it in the lower age groups. Good. I wish NCSL would address it in lower divisions. If I'm on a D6 team in Loudoun (I know that doesn't exist, but just a hypothetical for geographical purposes), I'd rather play a "D5" team in Chantilly than a "D6" team in Arundel.

And I wish ODSL had enough teams that it could split geographically so they're sending Arlington's D team to West Virginia.

If your kid was on a high school team -- say, Marshall -- you'd flip out if you played a whole bunch of Roanoke and Virginia Beach teams instead of Madison and Annandale.

That's not a complex concept. And it's not just one person trying to get it through CCL Guy's head.

[Anonymous]

... so they're NOT sending ... maybe I should make a user name so I can edit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again -- there is no single "Non-CCL Guy."

I've expressed a lot of skepticism about CCL. Then I've seen other points made about CCL that seem valid to me.

I'm definitely NOT the guy who made the "bi-polar" comment, which I frankly find tasteless.

I'm the guy who has posted, probably many times, about the pyramid being upside-down. You could construe that as "Non-CCL," but it doesn't actually preclude CCL from having a role.

And I think it's ridiculous to peg anyone, including me, as being some lone wolf complaining about the "travel" in travel soccer. Give 100 soccer parents a choice between driving 30 minutes one way and driving 2-4 hours one way, and tell me what sort of response you get. It's a legitimate concern, and I understand CCL is addressing it in the lower age groups. Good. I wish NCSL would address it in lower divisions. If I'm on a D6 team in Loudoun (I know that doesn't exist, but just a hypothetical for geographical purposes), I'd rather play a "D5" team in Chantilly than a "D6" team in Arundel.

And I wish ODSL had enough teams that it could split geographically so they're sending Arlington's D team to West Virginia.

If your kid was on a high school team -- say, Marshall -- you'd flip out if you played a whole bunch of Roanoke and Virginia Beach teams instead of Madison and Annandale.

That's not a complex concept. And it's not just one person trying to get it through CCL Guy's head.

+1 . . . from another non-CCL Guy who believes that it s not a "well-structured" or "organized" league at 9U -12U despite what CCL Guy told that PP --- it has major problems, CCL2 is even worse. I hope it implodes so our local and convenient club and great coach can put her team in a different league! NCSL would be fine by yours truly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again -- there is no single "Non-CCL Guy."

I've expressed a lot of skepticism about CCL. Then I've seen other points made about CCL that seem valid to me.

I'm definitely NOT the guy who made the "bi-polar" comment, which I frankly find tasteless.

I'm the guy who has posted, probably many times, about the pyramid being upside-down. You could construe that as "Non-CCL," but it doesn't actually preclude CCL from having a role.

And I think it's ridiculous to peg anyone, including me, as being some lone wolf complaining about the "travel" in travel soccer. Give 100 soccer parents a choice between driving 30 minutes one way and driving 2-4 hours one way, and tell me what sort of response you get. It's a legitimate concern, and I understand CCL is addressing it in the lower age groups. Good. I wish NCSL would address it in lower divisions. If I'm on a D6 team in Loudoun (I know that doesn't exist, but just a hypothetical for geographical purposes), I'd rather play a "D5" team in Chantilly than a "D6" team in Arundel.

And I wish ODSL had enough teams that it could split geographically so they're sending Arlington's D team to West Virginia.

If your kid was on a high school team -- say, Marshall -- you'd flip out if you played a whole bunch of Roanoke and Virginia Beach teams instead of Madison and Annandale.

That's not a complex concept. And it's not just one person trying to get it through CCL Guy's head.

+1 . . . from another non-CCL Guy who believes that it s not a "well-structured" or "organized" league at 9U -12U despite what CCL Guy told that PP --- it has major problems, CCL2 is even worse. I hope it implodes so our local and convenient club and great coach can put her team in a different league! NCSL would be fine by yours truly.

I don't know why so I'm curious as to why you think CCL2 is even worse. Kid may be trying out for a club with CCL and CCL2. Based on prior comments NCSL in itself is somewhat closed not allowing smaller clubs in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again -- there is no single "Non-CCL Guy."

I've expressed a lot of skepticism about CCL. Then I've seen other points made about CCL that seem valid to me.

I'm definitely NOT the guy who made the "bi-polar" comment, which I frankly find tasteless.

I'm the guy who has posted, probably many times, about the pyramid being upside-down. You could construe that as "Non-CCL," but it doesn't actually preclude CCL from having a role.

And I think it's ridiculous to peg anyone, including me, as being some lone wolf complaining about the "travel" in travel soccer. Give 100 soccer parents a choice between driving 30 minutes one way and driving 2-4 hours one way, and tell me what sort of response you get. It's a legitimate concern, and I understand CCL is addressing it in the lower age groups. Good. I wish NCSL would address it in lower divisions. If I'm on a D6 team in Loudoun (I know that doesn't exist, but just a hypothetical for geographical purposes), I'd rather play a "D5" team in Chantilly than a "D6" team in Arundel.

And I wish ODSL had enough teams that it could split geographically so they're sending Arlington's D team to West Virginia.

If your kid was on a high school team -- say, Marshall -- you'd flip out if you played a whole bunch of Roanoke and Virginia Beach teams instead of Madison and Annandale.

That's not a complex concept. And it's not just one person trying to get it through CCL Guy's head.

+1 . . . from another non-CCL Guy who believes that it s not a "well-structured" or "organized" league at 9U -12U despite what CCL Guy told that PP --- it has major problems, CCL2 is even worse. I hope it implodes so our local and convenient club and great coach can put her team in a different league! NCSL would be fine by yours truly.

I don't know why so I'm curious as to why you think CCL2 is even worse. Kid may be trying out for a club with CCL and CCL2. Based on prior comments NCSL in itself is somewhat closed not allowing smaller clubs in.

CCL2 had very few games scheduled + lopsided competition all Fall season.
Lower level teams at same club had better competition in NCSL.
Don't know what the problem was with scheduling a decent # of games.
The smaller CCL clubs have no depth in their 2nd Teams, thus you don't get any challenges and miss out on playing all the good NCSL teams out there . . . until a tourney where they beat up on you.

CCL seems a little better as most clubs can field an OK 1st team to play. But CCL has other problems that have been based to death here

[Anonymous]

With the announcement that BRYC is leaving CCL, will this have an impact on the Big 3? Not sure where the younger BRYC players will play before boys and girls ECNL starts, but those kids will want to get in a club like BRYC early and probably still be good (as they have been in CCL). So, if they go ro NCSL, could that start changing the landscape away from the big shift that CCL apparently caused? Would McLean or Loudoun want to follow suit for the youngers, since like BRYC, they have plans to feed their older players (girls at least) into ECNL?

Hadn't given this much thought until BRYC announcement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok "CCL guy", don't go bi-polar on us... lol man I hadn't even said anything to you, but you decided to out yourself because you want attention. Do your kids even play anymore? From your last post it seems as of they're teenagers at least. Stay anonymous and noone will talk to you anymore, unless you want attention so bad you're willing to play the role as the "troll"

Personally, I find CCL guy, as you like to inaccurately disparage him, to be much more useful to the board than you, whose only contribute is to insult people.

I've contributed more, in other posts, not in this one. I think you mean the posts were useful. To that I would encourage you to go back in this forum and read several conversations relating to CCL and travel. This guy disparaged, insulted, and mocked everyone who complained about the travel. He may have had a few substantive posts, the problem is that he has repeated those continuously, which is why some other poster called him a "broken record".

I've read everything posted in this thread and have made a lot of the posts myself, but as much as "CCl guy" is a broken record for saying parents can and should join a team where the amount of travel is something they're comfortable with, so too are you a broken record not just on responding to his posts but also bringing him up in discussions where he hasn't made a post. And those posts (calling him out) add nothing to the substance of this discussion.

I'm actually not that guy, i dont have a way to prove this, but I'm really not. I'm actually for traveling to where the league takes you, my son is NPL, we made the drive to VA Beach in the fall. I went another dad, we had fun driving and the two boys' friendship grew. I also think it is through these experiences my children can see how friendships are maintained and grown. I can see how the travel can frustrate parents when other priorities or tasks need to be put off because Johnny has a game in Richmond at 9am, so early Saturday bedtime and skip church or go to a late mass.

I really hate that CCL guy though. I can tell every time it's him too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok "CCL guy", don't go bi-polar on us... lol man I hadn't even said anything to you, but you decided to out yourself because you want attention. Do your kids even play anymore? From your last post it seems as of they're teenagers at least. Stay anonymous and noone will talk to you anymore, unless you want attention so bad you're willing to play the role as the "troll"

Personally, I find CCL guy, as you like to inaccurately disparage him, to be much more useful to the board than you, whose only contribute is to insult people.

I've contributed more, in other posts, not in this one. I think you mean the posts were useful. To that I would encourage you to go back in this forum and read several conversations relating to CCL and travel. This guy disparaged, insulted, and mocked everyone who complained about the travel. He may have had a few substantive posts, the problem is that he has repeated those continuously, which is why some other poster called him a "broken record".

I've read everything posted in this thread and have made a lot of the posts myself, but as much as "CCl guy" is a broken record for saying parents can and should join a team where the amount of travel is something they're comfortable with, so too are you a broken record not just on responding to his posts but also bringing him up in discussions where he hasn't made a post. And those posts (calling him out) add nothing to the substance of this discussion.

NP here. I disagree with you. I listened to the two of these gentlemen go at it pages and months ago, and the PP added a lot of useful info and does not beat a dead horse. This CCL guy is mocking and is now boring. He also seems to post from mutliple computers that DCUM can't trace. If he would just end the same diatribe, apologies, etc. and move on, we would all be better off. Dealing with the rants from CCL guy is a real PITA and the price you pay for being able to eventually gather useful info on here. So, I respectfully disagree with you about the PP. And I am not the PP, trust me!!!!

"Non-CCL" guy thinks travel is bad or at least is not necessary. This is certainly true.

"CCL guy" never said travel was good BUT perhaps one should be a educated consumer and look into the obligation before signing up in the first place.

Basically, "Non-CCL Guy" went to a seafood restaurant and complained about their lack of good pizza afterwords on Yelp. Non-CCL guy was also very disparaging of the other clubs and competition by saying that these teams are beneath them and not worth their teams time. Ironically, "CCL Guy" simply wonders why, if the travel is so bad, and the competition so poor, people cling to CCL with such veracity when there are other options?

That is it in a nutshell.

When did that happen, and how did I miss it?

[Anonymous]

Wow! The hate on a soccer thread. You are all so pathetic. Hating somebody because they have a different perspective. It's only soccer people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again -- there is no single "Non-CCL Guy."

I've expressed a lot of skepticism about CCL. Then I've seen other points made about CCL that seem valid to me.

I'm definitely NOT the guy who made the "bi-polar" comment, which I frankly find tasteless.

I'm the guy who has posted, probably many times, about the pyramid being upside-down. You could construe that as "Non-CCL," but it doesn't actually preclude CCL from having a role.

And I think it's ridiculous to peg anyone, including me, as being some lone wolf complaining about the "travel" in travel soccer. Give 100 soccer parents a choice between driving 30 minutes one way and driving 2-4 hours one way, and tell me what sort of response you get. It's a legitimate concern, and I understand CCL is addressing it in the lower age groups. Good. I wish NCSL would address it in lower divisions. If I'm on a D6 team in Loudoun (I know that doesn't exist, but just a hypothetical for geographical purposes), I'd rather play a "D5" team in Chantilly than a "D6" team in Arundel.

And I wish ODSL had enough teams that it could split geographically so they're sending Arlington's D team to West Virginia.

If your kid was on a high school team -- say, Marshall -- you'd flip out if you played a whole bunch of Roanoke and Virginia Beach teams instead of Madison and Annandale.

That's not a complex concept. And it's not just one person trying to get it through CCL Guy's head.

I have never disagreed with your points, never. I agree with them. People have both misconstrued, misinterpreted and misrepresented what I have said. But it really doesn't matter anymore because ALL of you are so freaking intrenches in your opinions that you can't see that ALL I have ever stated was one basic thing, "find the best situation for your kid that you can". That's it. If you are driving 4 freaking hours and hating it playing against "low level" teams then move your kid.

That is not an apology for a league, it is simple consumer advice. It is what you have control over. I frankly don't understand why you all feel compelled to rake me over the coals because I'm suggesting that you simply do what is best for you and your kid. I really don't get it.

Keep your kid in CCL, hate the travel and bitch about it for all effing care but it is your money, your time and your loss.

[Anonymous]

FCV confirmed out of ECNL

[Anonymous]

Any info from BRYC town hall? Is that the source of the FCV not in ECNL news?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCV confirmed out of ECNL

Any link?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow! The hate on a soccer thread. You are all so pathetic. Hating somebody because they have a different perspective. It's only soccer people.

...It's not the perspetive; it is the constant repetitive message .. . he kept putting links up to a sep. thread, yet keeps posting here. the dude even calls himself by that stupid moniker

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! The hate on a soccer thread. You are all so pathetic. Hating somebody because they have a different perspective. It's only soccer people.

...It's not the perspetive; it is the constant repetitive message .. . he kept putting links up to a sep. thread, yet keeps posting here. the dude even calls himself by that stupid moniker

You mean repetitive like when posters in a completely off topic rant throw out lines like "can't wait till CCL guy chimes in on this" kinda repetitive. The only one bringing up a 4 month old argument is the freaking troll who keeps bringing me up. Give it a freaking rest already. If you don't want to hear my opinion on a matter then do not say stupid crap like "I can't wait for CCL guy to chime in on this". I've never called you out, I've never proclaimed "hate" for you but don't say crap like that and then act all surprised and "outraged" when I chime in on my defense.

I've never brought effing CCL up in this context and you know it. So please spare me your outrage and let a 4 month old debate die.