Admissions to change at Thomas Jefferson High, and others

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Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

Then why is is an issue for Hispanics, the overwhelming majority who have come here in recent years?

You need to read up on the history of Hispanics in this country. Here’s a start:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/the-brutal-history-of-anti-latino-discrimination-in-america

The overwhelming majority hispanics are recent immigrants or children of recent immigrants and never suffered such persecution. They didn't suffer the horrible legacy of slavery.

Why can't they succeed the same as Asians? They even come from cultures that are more simliar to US culture than mine is.

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Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

But they had preferential programs for decades and generations now. Can’t keep talking about what happened hundred or two hundred years ago for what is going on now for ever. They have to take responsibility and move forward.

If you don't think that Black people are being dehumanized to an unacceptable level to this day, you're not living in the same universe as the rest of us. Especially under this administration.

Hispanics and Asians are dehumanized as well and they have language obstacle on top of that and they try to move on as best as they can even though they didn’t have presidency and other high ranking politicians to the extent blacks enjoyed.

We might very well have an Asian in the white house next year. Kamala Harris is... Asian.

But she pretends to be black.

You do realize her father is Jamaican? That’s BLACK. She is half Asian and half Black. It’s not a very hard concept to understand. Oh, and because of her darker complexion, I’m sure in everyday life she is treated as a black woman.

I am sure she is treated like a black person in everyday life. She went to a black university and joined a black sorority.

I was very surprised she was half Asian and I’m asian.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

Then why is is an issue for Hispanics, the overwhelming majority who have come here in recent years?

You need to read up on the history of Hispanics in this country. Here’s a start:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/the-brutal-history-of-anti-latino-discrimination-in-america

The overwhelming majority hispanics are recent immigrants or children of recent immigrants and never suffered such persecution. They didn't suffer the horrible legacy of slavery.

Why can't they succeed the same as Asians? They even come from cultures that are more simliar to US culture than mine is.

The Spanish language is far more similar to English. They have the same alphabet.

We know some elite South Americans. They speak Spanish but they look white. I’m not sure what box they check off.

We also know working class Hispanics with kids who do quite well. They may not be TJ material but they take honors classes and go to college. Fcps should focus more on getting more help for poorer Hispanics and blacks at their base schools instead of trying to fix TJ when it isn’t broken.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

Then why is is an issue for Hispanics, the overwhelming majority who have come here in recent years?

You need to read up on the history of Hispanics in this country. Here’s a start:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/the-brutal-history-of-anti-latino-discrimination-in-america

The overwhelming majority hispanics are recent immigrants or children of recent immigrants and never suffered such persecution. They didn't suffer the horrible legacy of slavery.

Why can't they succeed the same as Asians? They even come from cultures that are more simliar to US culture than mine is.

DP. Recent immigrant groups always have it the worst. Are you kidding me?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

Then why is is an issue for Hispanics, the overwhelming majority who have come here in recent years?

You need to read up on the history of Hispanics in this country. Here’s a start:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/the-brutal-history-of-anti-latino-discrimination-in-america

Not all Latinos are poor. Some of the snobbiest students in college were Hispanic. They were mostly international students. They were smart and arrogant and probably the most racist against blacks and Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

Then why is is an issue for Hispanics, the overwhelming majority who have come here in recent years?

You need to read up on the history of Hispanics in this country. Here’s a start:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/the-brutal-history-of-anti-latino-discrimination-in-america

The overwhelming majority hispanics are recent immigrants or children of recent immigrants and never suffered such persecution. They didn't suffer the horrible legacy of slavery.

Why can't they succeed the same as Asians? They even come from cultures that are more simliar to US culture than mine is.

Because the rich Hispanics stay in their home countries. It is the poor, uneducated Hispanics who tend to immigrate to the US. These people are often illiterate even in Spanish (some don’t even speak Spanish, they speak their native Central American languages). Latin America is full of excellent doctors, scientists, engineers, etc. These folks do not immigrate here because they are well-off in their respective countries.

Also, there is a difference between an Asian who can afford a plane ticket to fly to the US vs. a poor Central American who must cross a jungle or desert by foot to get here....

[Anonymous]

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We know some elite South Americans. They speak Spanish but they look white. I’m not sure what box they check off.

I wonder the same thing. I know several people who are white Europeans from Spain and of Spanish descent. Technically, they're Hispanic. I wonder whether FCPS considers them to be Hispanic or white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

Then why is is an issue for Hispanics, the overwhelming majority who have come here in recent years?

You need to read up on the history of Hispanics in this country. Here’s a start:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/the-brutal-history-of-anti-latino-discrimination-in-america

The overwhelming majority hispanics are recent immigrants or children of recent immigrants and never suffered such persecution. They didn't suffer the horrible legacy of slavery.

Why can't they succeed the same as Asians? They even come from cultures that are more simliar to US culture than mine is.

Because the rich Hispanics stay in their home countries. It is the poor, uneducated Hispanics who tend to immigrate to the US. These people are often illiterate even in Spanish (some don’t even speak Spanish, they speak their native Central American languages). Latin America is full of excellent doctors, scientists, engineers, etc. These folks do not immigrate here because they are well-off in their respective countries.

Also, there is a difference between an Asian who can afford a plane ticket to fly to the US vs. a poor Central American who must cross a jungle or desert by foot to get here....

Many rich Asians also stay in their home countries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

We know some elite South Americans. They speak Spanish but they look white. I’m not sure what box they check off.

I wonder the same thing. I know several people who are white Europeans from Spain and of Spanish descent. Technically, they're Hispanic. I wonder whether FCPS considers them to be Hispanic or white.

We live in McLean and the Hispanics are well educated. Some are Caucasian Hispanics and others look kind of Italian but possibly mixed but from S America. All seem well educated and care very much about their children’s education.

[Anonymous]

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Kamala Harris is... Asian.

But she pretends to be black.

She looks black. Her skin color is black.

We have an Indian friend and recently traveled to an all white rural area. People were racist towards them. I don’t know if they knew if they were Asian. Our friend has very short hair and he is darker skinned than most blacks although he is Indian.

She's both black and Indian. Her father is Jamaican and descended from African slaves. Her mother is Indian.

Her father is half white and half Jamaican and her mother is Indian.

[jsteele]

This discussion has probably run its course now that it has turned into Ancestry.com.