Admissions to change at Thomas Jefferson High, and others

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

Then why is is an issue for Hispanics, the overwhelming majority who have come here in recent years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

Then doesn't it make sense to ask remediation from America (aka white America) instead of from Asians.
Why is it always rationalized that Asians should get the short end of the stick?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

when does it stop 2050 , 2100???? i'm serious

It took 400+ years to get here so....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

But they had preferential programs for decades and generations now. Can’t keep talking about what happened hundred or two hundred years ago for what is going on now for ever. They have to take responsibility and move forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

But they had preferential programs for decades and generations now. Can’t keep talking about what happened hundred or two hundred years ago for what is going on now for ever. They have to take responsibility and move forward.

If you don't think that Black people are being dehumanized to an unacceptable level to this day, you're not living in the same universe as the rest of us. Especially under this administration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

But they had preferential programs for decades and generations now. Can’t keep talking about what happened hundred or two hundred years ago for what is going on now for ever. They have to take responsibility and move forward.

Do you take care of your children believing that it has a lasting effect? You don't neglect them, because it may (certainly) have lasting negative consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

But they had preferential programs for decades and generations now. Can’t keep talking about what happened hundred or two hundred years ago for what is going on now for ever. They have to take responsibility and move forward.

If you don't think that Black people are being dehumanized to an unacceptable level to this day, you're not living in the same universe as the rest of us. Especially under this administration.

Hispanics and Asians are dehumanized as well and they have language obstacle on top of that and they try to move on as best as they can even though they didn’t have presidency and other high ranking politicians to the extent blacks enjoyed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

Then why is is an issue for Hispanics, the overwhelming majority who have come here in recent years?

Chinese people were used as slaves, too! For many years. US history lessons don't even mention that, though.

[Anonymous]

Asian people are not underrepresented at TJ, all of the above points are moot. Representation matters. Bigly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“fact blacks and hispanics aren't performing as well that is why they aren't getting in PERIOD it has nothing to do with racism”

It has everything to do with racism, just not in the admission’s process. TJ can try to make up for the society-wide problems that are holding kids in these populations back. Schools can’t fix this problem, but they will try by accepting some kids that have lower scores.

It’s harder for my kid to get in, and arguably it should be, he’s had very advantage in life and his peer group is more competitive. Get over it. It’s not a problem to me if TJ has to spend some money on “remedial” classes for kids that have lower scores or aren’t keeping up as well. It’s a public school, not a private university. It’s fine, and good, to invest public resources in supporting kids from unrepresented groups.

Merit based admission to a public high school is a farce. TJ shouldn’t be something you earn, it should be an opportunity for kids that show potential, and the student body should be representative of the population it serves.

If that means it’s not “the best” school in the country for a while so be it. We don’t deserve to have that if our community is producing such disparate outcomes for particular groups. When we have real equity in the community, we will have really earned TJ’s spot back at the top because all kids from all backgrounds will be able to succeed there.

Why don't Asians suffer from the same racism?

Because America didn't spend centuries dehumanizing Asians as they did with blacks. But if you are asking that question, there's no way you'll understand that answer.

But they had preferential programs for decades and generations now. Can’t keep talking about what happened hundred or two hundred years ago for what is going on now for ever. They have to take responsibility and move forward.

If you don't think that Black people are being dehumanized to an unacceptable level to this day, you're not living in the same universe as the rest of us. Especially under this administration.

Hispanics and Asians are dehumanized as well and they have language obstacle on top of that and they try to move on as best as they can even though they didn’t have presidency and other high ranking politicians to the extent blacks enjoyed.

This is true. Don't you see?! It's the whites that are pitting the minorities against each other. This gets them off the hook, even though they're the ones that committed all of the atrocities in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh please, it's so obvious that this instigators of this brouhaha couldn't care less about representation of minorities and are more bothered about the 'just 19%' caucasians who manage to gain entry to TJHSST on merit. This line of thought has a long and complex history - in my grandparents' time, WASPS in the Ivy League reacted with indignation when merit based enrollments of the Jewish community increased 'disproportionately' - that was when the WASPS 'discovered' that admissions weren't fair and equitable for POCs, though what they were really worried about was losing their very large slice of pie. I don't see this indignation for Langley High School, which sits at less than 1% black enrollment.

THIS!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asian people are not underrepresented at TJ, all of the above points are moot. Representation matters. Bigly.

But Asians are underrepresented in everything else that matters which nobody want to talk about because Asians are supposed to be invisible and silent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh please, it's so obvious that this instigators of this brouhaha couldn't care less about representation of minorities and are more bothered about the 'just 19%' caucasians who manage to gain entry to TJHSST on merit. This line of thought has a long and complex history - in my grandparents' time, WASPS in the Ivy League reacted with indignation when merit based enrollments of the Jewish community increased 'disproportionately' - that was when the WASPS 'discovered' that admissions weren't fair and equitable for POCs, though what they were really worried about was losing their very large slice of pie. I don't see this indignation for Langley High School, which sits at less than 1% black enrollment.

THIS!

Uh no. Racial/gender supremacy is bad. If a public school like TJ that receives a ton of goodies from tax payers doesn’t serve equitable slices of pie, it needs to fix that or stop what it’s doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asian people are not underrepresented at TJ, all of the above points are moot. Representation matters. Bigly.

But Asians are underrepresented in everything else that matters which nobody want to talk about because Asians are supposed to be invisible and silent.

Yes more like bend over and take it and stfu.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked that there has not been more attention paid to the admission rates of girls. It’s clear that the admissions process in someway is harder on girls. They are historically almost 50% of the applicants, but only 40% or so of the admitted class. AND only 35% of the graduating class.

THIS