Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II

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I think we're talking about two different things here:

1. Can your club juggle players from team to team BEFORE a tournament starts? Sure.

2. Can the same player play for multiple teams in one tournament? Usually, no.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't hold anything against players for seeking more opportunities to play, and you do bring up a very good point, the team could have rostered them and just saved them for the Sunday games or they had other commitments. More than anything I was reflecting upon the coaches who would bring a player of that caliber to a bracket in which most of the teams are in Division 6-4 of NCSL. Like you said, obviously that team did something right to get to the final, they were a very good team to begin with, which is why bringing the player seemed madly unnecessary. Maybe he used to play there and was just guesting for his own team, again, I don't blame the player, but that you'd think it is a nothingburger is questionable.

How is is it even remotely questionable? So a team brought some guest players, who cares. Your team could. And by the looks of it they did not lean on the kids for the tournament.

Perhaps the kids wanted to play with some friends. Most guest opportunities are as a result of some social connection to the host club. Some clubs will use guest opportunities to try and bring a player in but many use them simply for depth and ask kids who somebody on the team knows is available. Rarely is it so sinister as you make it out to be.

I've been a team manager for many years for two different teams and every tournament my kids' teams have been in (at least from U11-U14), refs have checked player cards and rosters for the final game. Maybe some rinky dink tournament would allow non-rostered guest players, but any credible tournament would not. Also, many tournaments have a rule that a player can't guest play for another team if the team with whom s/he is regularly rostered is playing in that tournament. So if the A and B teams of a club are both in a tournament, A team players can't guest for the B team.

I never heard of this...I've been a coach and a team manager. However, our club moves players between the the A and B team all the time based on availability, how they are currently playing, etc. and we play in the same tournaments. This has NEVER been a problem and my son has probably played in maybe 16-17 tournaments.

it's standard - you should read the tournament rules some time.

Do you know of it being strictly enforced?

Agree its standard. Enforcement depends on (1) how closely the tournament AGCs are checking rosters when they are submitted for check-in and whether they'd notice a player being double rostered and (2) whether the field marshal or ref are checking cards and rosters before the game to make sure the players match the roster. (2), in particular, can be pretty spotty when everyone is under pressure to keep the games moving and on schedule.

This was interesting so I contacted my son's team manager because I know we move and have moved players around all the time for tournaments and we have a tournament coming up next weekend. The team manager didn't know so he contacted the tournament director and the tournament director basically said that it's not a problem and just to scratch the kid from one roster and add him to the other. In other words, they don't enforce it.

It's generally referred to as a club pass - you have 36 or so kids in an age group with two teams as an example, and you can move them between rosters as you want. This is one of the foundational principles of CCL. However...each player does need to be on an 'official' roster - either US Club or USYS. That's what you show for a tournament. Most tournaments have rules that limit guest players to a certain number (usually about 4 or 5), and also rules that restrict one player being on multiple teams in a tournament. Then there's State Cup, which has a 'Frozen' roster at the start of the competition that carries through the final.

Clear as mud now?

[Anonymous]

Not CCL guy. What are your thoughts on CCL winning 8 out of 10 VA State Cup titles? Are other non-CCL teams participating in this competition? I know missing DA teams.

http://www.soccerwire.com/notes/club-champions-league-teams-claim-eight-of-10-fall-virginia-state-cup-titles/

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Anonymous wrote:Not CCL guy. What are your thoughts on CCL winning 8 out of 10 VA State Cup titles? Are other non-CCL teams participating in this competition? I know missing DA teams.

http://www.soccerwire.com/notes/club-champions-league-teams-claim-eight-of-10-fall-virginia-state-cup-titles/

There are a lot fewer teams this year. VPL teams are not playing, US Club soccer is running it's own version of the VA State Cup this year.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't hold anything against players for seeking more opportunities to play, and you do bring up a very good point, the team could have rostered them and just saved them for the Sunday games or they had other commitments. More than anything I was reflecting upon the coaches who would bring a player of that caliber to a bracket in which most of the teams are in Division 6-4 of NCSL. Like you said, obviously that team did something right to get to the final, they were a very good team to begin with, which is why bringing the player seemed madly unnecessary. Maybe he used to play there and was just guesting for his own team, again, I don't blame the player, but that you'd think it is a nothingburger is questionable.

How is is it even remotely questionable? So a team brought some guest players, who cares. Your team could. And by the looks of it they did not lean on the kids for the tournament.

Perhaps the kids wanted to play with some friends. Most guest opportunities are as a result of some social connection to the host club. Some clubs will use guest opportunities to try and bring a player in but many use them simply for depth and ask kids who somebody on the team knows is available. Rarely is it so sinister as you make it out to be.

I've been a team manager for many years for two different teams and every tournament my kids' teams have been in (at least from U11-U14), refs have checked player cards and rosters for the final game. Maybe some rinky dink tournament would allow non-rostered guest players, but any credible tournament would not. Also, many tournaments have a rule that a player can't guest play for another team if the team with whom s/he is regularly rostered is playing in that tournament. So if the A and B teams of a club are both in a tournament, A team players can't guest for the B team.

I never heard of this...I've been a coach and a team manager. However, our club moves players between the the A and B team all the time based on availability, how they are currently playing, etc. and we play in the same tournaments. This has NEVER been a problem and my son has probably played in maybe 16-17 tournaments.

it's standard - you should read the tournament rules some time.

Do you know of it being strictly enforced?

Agree its standard. Enforcement depends on (1) how closely the tournament AGCs are checking rosters when they are submitted for check-in and whether they'd notice a player being double rostered and (2) whether the field marshal or ref are checking cards and rosters before the game to make sure the players match the roster. (2), in particular, can be pretty spotty when everyone is under pressure to keep the games moving and on schedule.

This was interesting so I contacted my son's team manager because I know we move and have moved players around all the time for tournaments and we have a tournament coming up next weekend. The team manager didn't know so he contacted the tournament director and the tournament director basically said that it's not a problem and just to scratch the kid from one roster and add him to the other. In other words, they don't enforce it.

It's generally referred to as a club pass - you have 36 or so kids in an age group with two teams as an example, and you can move them between rosters as you want. This is one of the foundational principles of CCL. However...each player does need to be on an 'official' roster - either US Club or USYS. That's what you show for a tournament. Most tournaments have rules that limit guest players to a certain number (usually about 4 or 5), and also rules that restrict one player being on multiple teams in a tournament. Then there's State Cup, which has a 'Frozen' roster at the start of the competition that carries through the final.

Clear as mud now?

Yes. I am a PP. The point is that most tournaments prohibit a player from playing for more than 1 team in the same AG in a tournament. When you roster kids for the tournament, it isn't a problem to shuffle the teams but Larlo can't be rostered for teams A and B in the tournament and play for both those teams in the same tournament.

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Anonymous wrote:Not CCL guy. What are your thoughts on CCL winning 8 out of 10 VA State Cup titles? Are other non-CCL teams participating in this competition? I know missing DA teams.

http://www.soccerwire.com/notes/club-champions-league-teams-claim-eight-of-10-fall-virginia-state-cup-titles/

There are a lot fewer teams this year. VPL teams are not playing, US Club soccer is running it's own version of the VA State Cup this year.

Yes VPL is missing but that "State Cup" is mainly going to be VPL teams only. Other teams in NCSL would likely rather participate in VYSA's Cup since it's run by US Youth Soccer and not Club Soccer. Do you think other teams have given up on participating since the last two editions of the competitions have been mainly won by CCL? Is it the price? Is it the distance to other parts in VA? It seems that the competition is mostly dominated by teams in the Northern Region of the State.

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Anonymous wrote:Not CCL guy. What are your thoughts on CCL winning 8 out of 10 VA State Cup titles? Are other non-CCL teams participating in this competition? I know missing DA teams.

http://www.soccerwire.com/notes/club-champions-league-teams-claim-eight-of-10-fall-virginia-state-cup-titles/

There are a lot fewer teams this year. VPL teams are not playing, US Club soccer is running it's own version of the VA State Cup this year.

Yes VPL is missing but that "State Cup" is mainly going to be VPL teams only. Other teams in NCSL would likely rather participate in VYSA's Cup since it's run by US Youth Soccer and not Club Soccer. Do you think other teams have given up on participating since the last two editions of the competitions have been mainly won by CCL? Is it the price? Is it the distance to other parts in VA? It seems that the competition is mostly dominated by teams in the Northern Region of the State.

Just took a look and most age groups have over 20 teams participating so it doesn't seem that it's low participation. Lower participation on the girls side but still plenty of teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Not CCL guy. What are your thoughts on CCL winning 8 out of 10 VA State Cup titles? Are other non-CCL teams participating in this competition? I know missing DA teams.

http://www.soccerwire.com/notes/club-champions-league-teams-claim-eight-of-10-fall-virginia-state-cup-titles/

There are a lot fewer teams this year. VPL teams are not playing, US Club soccer is running it's own version of the VA State Cup this year.

Yes VPL is missing but that "State Cup" is mainly going to be VPL teams only. Other teams in NCSL would likely rather participate in VYSA's Cup since it's run by US Youth Soccer and not Club Soccer. Do you think other teams have given up on participating since the last two editions of the competitions have been mainly won by CCL? Is it the price? Is it the distance to other parts in VA? It seems that the competition is mostly dominated by teams in the Northern Region of the State.

Looks like CCL is doing something well as being a good option outside of the DA. Any word on expansion for CCL to other clubs?

[Anonymous]

It seems to me that the overwhelming majority of the State Cup champions came from the same clubs that were consistently producing State Cup champions long before CCL started. What reason is there to think the league made any difference in the outcomes?

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Anonymous wrote:Not CCL guy. What are your thoughts on CCL winning 8 out of 10 VA State Cup titles? Are other non-CCL teams participating in this competition? I know missing DA teams.

http://www.soccerwire.com/notes/club-champions-league-teams-claim-eight-of-10-fall-virginia-state-cup-titles/

There are a lot fewer teams this year. VPL teams are not playing, US Club soccer is running it's own version of the VA State Cup this year.

Yes VPL is missing but that "State Cup" is mainly going to be VPL teams only. Other teams in NCSL would likely rather participate in VYSA's Cup since it's run by US Youth Soccer and not Club Soccer. Do you think other teams have given up on participating since the last two editions of the competitions have been mainly won by CCL? Is it the price? Is it the distance to other parts in VA? It seems that the competition is mostly dominated by teams in the Northern Region of the State.

Looks like CCL is doing something well as being a good option outside of the DA. Any word on expansion for CCL to other clubs?

I'm a CCL parent and regardless what you think about the league, the teams are competitive. Whenever we participate in tournaments, we know the CCL teams will be solid competition. That's not to say we don't see some really good teams from other clubs. State cup is like any other tournament, you go on a streak and you can anyone can win. It has been pretty consistent that CCL will go deep at almost all age groups.

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Anonymous wrote:Not CCL guy. What are your thoughts on CCL winning 8 out of 10 VA State Cup titles? Are other non-CCL teams participating in this competition? I know missing DA teams.

http://www.soccerwire.com/notes/club-champions-league-teams-claim-eight-of-10-fall-virginia-state-cup-titles/

There are a lot fewer teams this year. VPL teams are not playing, US Club soccer is running it's own version of the VA State Cup this year.

Yes VPL is missing but that "State Cup" is mainly going to be VPL teams only. Other teams in NCSL would likely rather participate in VYSA's Cup since it's run by US Youth Soccer and not Club Soccer. Do you think other teams have given up on participating since the last two editions of the competitions have been mainly won by CCL? Is it the price? Is it the distance to other parts in VA? It seems that the competition is mostly dominated by teams in the Northern Region of the State.

Looks like CCL is doing something well as being a good option outside of the DA. Any word on expansion for CCL to other clubs?

5 of the 8 state cup winners are either Loudoun or Arlington, two of the best clubs in the state no matter where they play. They could go play in VPL next year and would still be as good as they are today, CCL doesn't matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Not CCL guy. What are your thoughts on CCL winning 8 out of 10 VA State Cup titles? Are other non-CCL teams participating in this competition? I know missing DA teams.

http://www.soccerwire.com/notes/club-champions-league-teams-claim-eight-of-10-fall-virginia-state-cup-titles/

There are a lot fewer teams this year. VPL teams are not playing, US Club soccer is running it's own version of the VA State Cup this year.

Yes VPL is missing but that "State Cup" is mainly going to be VPL teams only. Other teams in NCSL would likely rather participate in VYSA's Cup since it's run by US Youth Soccer and not Club Soccer. Do you think other teams have given up on participating since the last two editions of the competitions have been mainly won by CCL? Is it the price? Is it the distance to other parts in VA? It seems that the competition is mostly dominated by teams in the Northern Region of the State.

Looks like CCL is doing something well as being a good option outside of the DA. Any word on expansion for CCL to other clubs?

Well league does matter somewhat in order to continue to push these bigger clubs to remain at the top. If the competition within the league was not strong these teams would not be ready to continue to play at a high level. From the results, they are not blowing anybody out but are still the stronger teams withing their brackets.

5 of the 8 state cup winners are either Loudoun or Arlington, two of the best clubs in the state no matter where they play. They could go play in VPL next year and would still be as good as they are today, CCL doesn't matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not CCL guy. What are your thoughts on CCL winning 8 out of 10 VA State Cup titles? Are other non-CCL teams participating in this competition? I know missing DA teams.

http://www.soccerwire.com/notes/club-champions-league-teams-claim-eight-of-10-fall-virginia-state-cup-titles/

There are a lot fewer teams this year. VPL teams are not playing, US Club soccer is running it's own version of the VA State Cup this year.

Yes VPL is missing but that "State Cup" is mainly going to be VPL teams only. Other teams in NCSL would likely rather participate in VYSA's Cup since it's run by US Youth Soccer and not Club Soccer. Do you think other teams have given up on participating since the last two editions of the competitions have been mainly won by CCL? Is it the price? Is it the distance to other parts in VA? It seems that the competition is mostly dominated by teams in the Northern Region of the State.

Looks like CCL is doing something well as being a good option outside of the DA. Any word on expansion for CCL to other clubs?

5 of the 8 state cup winners are either Loudoun or Arlington, two of the best clubs in the state no matter where they play. They could go play in VPL next year and would still be as good as they are today, CCL doesn't matter.

Well league does matter somewhat in order to continue to push these bigger clubs to remain at the top. If the competition within the league was not strong these teams would not be ready to continue to play at a high level. From the results, they are not blowing anybody out but are still the stronger teams withing their brackets.

[Anonymous]

What came first CCL or VPL?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What came first CCL or VPL?

NPL is from US Club soccer and came first throughout the nation, a few clubs pulled out from CCL and started a Virginia NPL, and called it VPL.

VCCL came first, and CCL, then entirely separate VPL.