Fire in upper NW?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Wow - he looks very familiar. Where did the girls go to school locally?


NCS
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:"Whoever made Savvas leave that first message was trying to buy themselves an additional 12-16 hours free from scrutiny".

And this makes me think it wasn't just your run-of-the-mill home invasion/robbery. If you want to rob someone, you don't want to hang out at their house for half a day; even if the bank is closed and you're waiting for it to open in order to make your victim make a withdrawal. If you're after the money, you grab as much as you can (and there were some valuables, obviously, at the residence) and you take off.

Missing money might be an attempt to make the case look like a robbery gone wrong.


If this was a kidnapping/extortion attempt, then I assume the perpetrator(s) wanted cash, not items that would have to be sold. If they had planned to steal objects, then why do it when people are in the house? Ideally, they would wait until no one was in the house if they wanted to steal jewelry and other valuables. Also, you have to have buyers for those kind of items which increases the likelihood of being caught.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:wow, i just googled the mother's Facebook page and we have a ton of mutual friends.
This is hitting way too close to home.


Same here.


You must be white and rich!
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Just found this out

http://www.universityclubdc.com/default.aspx?p=ViewEventFlyer&ssid=94272&eventid=1734177

So now I have this question. If you are instructor level in the Martial Arts, why would a perp not take YOU out FIRST ? You are his major threat, being a man plus being trained to fight. Why beat and stab the weaker ones ? We only know how the mother, son, housekeeper died, not how he died.

All were found on the second story. Were they attacked as they slept ? I wonder what they were wearing when found.



Last I checked Martial Arts can't really beat a gun. It was also released in the press that he had blunt force trauma to the head. The mother did not.


Is there some indication that the perps had a gun?


I'm guessing there was a gun involved, but it obviously wasn't used. The threat of being shot and having your loved ones shot is enough.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand a few things. I am hung up on using the mom to get money. Even if they did this and aren't releasing that information they would have withdrawn, what, 50k max? how much do rich rich people have in their checking at any given time? the jewelry/art in that house must have been worth millions? why not just plunder the woman's jewelry? take some small but important art? I also agree with the post who remarked that there must be some shady dealings. If the ironworks business was legit wouldn't it take 100% of his time and effort to run that? I can't imagine being the CEO of a maybe billion dollar company and having time to live abroad for a year, run a hedge fund, be a lawyer and start a martial arts studio on the side. why the hedge fund? the living in the USVI? the martial arts studio? the elite lawyers group? to me this is just so bizarre, but maybe that is what rich business people do... I certainly am not one so I would not know. Thank god they sent their girls to boarding school for high school... potentially saved their lives.


People watch too much television. It is not easy to traffic stolen art.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:wow, i just googled the mother's Facebook page and we have a ton of mutual friends.
This is hitting way too close to home.


Same here.


me three.


I had none in common. Guess my income isn't high enough hah


Wow a family is murdered and your default is to petty class based envy. You can do better PP.


Not envy, just an explanation. We live nearby. Clearly our circles don't interact.
Anonymous
This doesn't seem random.

It wasn't the mob or other professional pay back killing. They would do the deed and leave.

What is left? Could it be a crazy psycho ex employee who thought he could actually get away with some cash? Could it be a boyfriend the father did not approve of? Who really liked the other maid-cuz that whole part is off to me?

What is going on here? It is so sad and disturbing!

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Anonymous wrote:Why is the ceo of a successful business opening a martial arts studio in chantilly?


It's a legitimate tax entity.

There is no question in my mind that his businesses have some components to them that are not entirely on the up-and-up. Things that are perhaps legal in the most narrow definition but are still .... shady. Offshore money management in the Caribbean (Cayman Islands). A small privately held local steel fabricator scoring the bid on the 2nd largest project that DC has seen in 20 years. Anyone who knows how Greek constriction firms go will understand what I mean here. And, why the new hedge fund?


I wondered about that as well. When I read about the martial arts studio in Chantilly it made me think of Breaking Bad and how they used car washes as a legitimate front for funneling drug money. Of course that is not what he was doing, but I wondered if the martial arts studio was a way to funnel revenue from shadier dealings. This story keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.
Anonymous
I was putting my 5 year old down and he fell off to sleep while I was reading. I was so l gentle as I put his head on the pillow and covered him with the blanket. I missed his head before I walked out of the room and I immediately thought of this mother. I bet she did the same for her child and how horrific it must have been to see him go through this. I am heartbroken.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't think they cared about the art because it would be pretty obvious that anyone trying to sell the missing pieces was somehow connected to the crime and/or the suspects.


And that would be even more obvious if they were trying to take out framed paintings out of an expensive house in downtown Washington in broad daylight. Can anyone picture the scene?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think they cared about the art because it would be pretty obvious that anyone trying to sell the missing pieces was somehow connected to the crime and/or the suspects.


And that would be even more obvious if they were trying to take out framed paintings out of an expensive house in downtown Washington in broad daylight. Can anyone picture the scene?


Agree. Please. The bastards that did this didn't care about the fucking art. That's silly. Why would they have held the family for hostage for so long? Every hour they are there means they are more likely to get caught. The evil piece of shit running away in that video the police reported who just killed a family - he doesn't know jack about art. May he roast in hell.
Anonymous
Workplace violence. Definitely leaning towards a fired employee. When you run an operation as large has he did you run into a lot of people who probably think you owe them something. This would also explain why they probably let him into the house and there wasn't a forced entry.

This is separate, but everyone should read The Gift of Fear. Not inferring this was preventable w something like a book, but you know those jokes people make about so and so shooting up an office? Always take that seriously. People deal w their discomfort and sense of people through joking.
Anonymous
There has been relative silence from the police today. I suspect they may have a strong lead, or idea, who committed the murders, and are now trying to track down every bit of evidence to make an airtight case.

Also, for the poster(s) who say that the perpetrator(s) did not want Mrs. Figueroa to contact her husband on Wednesday evening, because they could not control her message, or understand her Spanish -- I have this question:

Why, then, not have Savvas contact Figueroa's husband directly himself? I suspect that it is because neither Savvas nor the perpetrator(s) could access her husband's phone number at that point (cellphone password).

That suggests to me that Mrs. Figueroa was somehow incapacitated by the time Mr. Savopoulos placed the alleged phonecall to Mrs. Gutierrez. He knew that Mrs. Gutierrez would have Mr. Figueroa's phone number because the women were friends (though, admittedly, I do not have my friends' husbands' phone numbers).

There are certainly clues to be read in the alleged phone calls and text messages, I just do not what those might be.
Anonymous
We were robbed about two years ago, and I will never again feel entirely safe in my own home. I don't even want to try to imagine what these poor innocent souls were put through.
Anonymous

Was the father actually the owner/going to operate the martial arts studio? I just thought his company was building it for someone else.
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