GT/AAP Appeals WISC Scores
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Hi ,
My dd got 122v, 125q and 130 nv in cogat when she was in third grade. She got similar scores when she took cogat in 2nd grade too. I prepared her for the test in third grade as I felt she was much more capable than the scores she got in 2nd. Preparation did not really help much as the scores did not improve. She is 10 years old now and is in 5th grade. She is born right before cut off and is the youngest in the class. She is very bright and met/exceeded DYS cut off score in explore test in 4th and 5th grades. She took middle school math placement test this year, and the receiving team were concerned about her placement as she got max score on all the three tests that were given. Since she was performing well above grade level in all areas and not just in math, the school decided to give her WISC to see if she can be accelerated by an entire grade. I had no idea about wisc and the school psychologist tested her the same day they took my permission for testing. So there was absolutely no preparation on this one. They also gave her kaufman achievement test the next day. She scored a full scale 148 (136 verbal, 141 perceptual. The school report did not include working memory and procesing speed scores) on wisc and 99.9 on reading and writing composite and > 99.9 in math composite in kaufman. She is now qualified for DYS, and the school recommended grade acceleration. Her HAL ( high ability learner) teacher and class teacher also think she is extremely bright. She also participated in some state level competitions and did extremely well. I'm not sure how she got lower score in cogat which I had prepped her, but got much higher scores in wisc, explore and kaufman which she took totally unprepared. Do I have to worry about lower cogat scores from 2nd and 3rd grade ? Does anyone hsve similar experience? Fyi.. I'm from a midwest state. Since this forum seems to have lot of information about cogat and wisc I am posting here. Thank you |
Anonymous
You are double posting midwestern person (stick to one thread)! that's a no no- don't know what you're all worked up about since your daughter's IQ test will trump a group test like cogat. Sounds like all her other tests are superior- no one here knows what DYS means or anything but overall- it looks good. Nothing you can do but relax. |
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Sorry for posting in multiple threads. This is my first time posting here or any other forum regarding test scores. I was just hoping that more people might respond if I post in a. Couple of threads that are active. I want to make sure that grade acceleration is the correct thing we are doing for my dd. She is already the youngest in her class. She currently goes to a public montessori school, but will be going to traditional midfle school starting next yr. The middle school staff recommended that she should skip a grade since she will notbe challenged at all in traditional 6th grade. I knew that dd was a very bright/gifted kid, but ever since she got cogat scores that are not very high, I forced myself to think that may be she is not exceptional afterall. I just wanted to make sure that cogat scores can be completely ignored once wisc scores are in. DYS= Davidson Young Scholars program or highly gifted children. Thank you. |
Anonymous
So you're from the Midwest, are asking about grade skipping and have no questions about AAP? If so, I don't think your questions belong here. We would have no idea about whether your child would be able to skip a grade other than it is often not advisable to do so. |
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Midwest mom, if your child qualifies for Davidson, check out the Davidson Gifted Forum (or check it out for gifted questions, even if your child doesn't meet the Davidson criteria). I use that website all the time for these types of testing questions. The folks on that forum are testing "experts" compared to other places. I look at AAP occasionally too because my husband may be transferred back to DC, and AAP is where I would want my seven year old. Also, I agree with you that AAP parents seem to know a lot about how a district might weigh a certain type of test. *However* I don't chime in on these discussion, because these folks are trying to deal with what appears to be a rigorous and complicated admission process. Good luck to you and definitely check out Davidson. |
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| Midwest mom: Thee are many many gifted children in Nova and they are in the AAP program. You must be a resident to apply (cant apply until you have an address here) It is a good program for a gifted child. With that WISC you will probably get in, but not until the next year. NoVa does not do grade skipping so if that is what you want, you need to go private. Hope this helps. GL. |
Anonymous
NoVa does do grade skipping-my child has skipped. If your child is already middle school though, AAP only lasts until 8th grade so, while you would probably get in with that WISC, it isn't going to be for long anyway. Grade skipping may be more useful in fact, if it is necessary. |
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To midwest mom:
I woudn't let my kids skip a grade. The emotional, social part of development might be a problem when your daughter is in middle school and high school. If I were you, I would look into advanced programs for your child's school in her grade. |
Anonymous
Thank you. Yes my child exceeds Davidson Young scholars qualification criteria and I just applied with wisc, kaufman and explore test scores. However I'm trying to gather as much information as I can before her application is accepted. I'll check on the Davidson forum. |
Anonymous
The school district does have pull out program for high ability learners once or twice in a week, but the middle school staff feel that they cannot challenge her at all unless she skips a grade. Actually they said she might have to skip another grade too(l did not take that option. Would like to see how 1 grade skip works). She is tall for her age, so hoping she would fit in. And she gets along pretty well with older kids (she was in montessori with mixed age kids since pre school) |
Anonymous
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Go to the Davidson forums. There are plenty of parents whose kid falls within the highly gifted range based on WISC, with worse scores than your daughter. The cogat isn't a bad test, but it is a group test and less valid than an individual IQ test like the WISC. I would not hesitate to skip my child if he needed it. One year difference in age shouldn't make a huge difference socially. I was always the youngest in my class, not because of a grade skip, but because the state I started school in had a different cut off month than the one I moved to. It was no big deal.
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Anonymous
I have a DC that has skipped a grade and have seen no emotional, social problems. Kids tend to develop alongside their peers. Of course if my child had had any social issues I would not have skipped. It may be more of an issue in high school but I doubt it, knowing my child. This really is an individual decision-you know your child best and can judge whether it is right for them. You can't make general statements like the above. Anyway, in my DC's class there are kids that are more than the full year older since parents have held theirs back a year, so there will always be a social range and difference in level of maturity. However, from my experience, it is these older children that show emotional and social issues (the whole reason they were held back in the first place). |
Anonymous
| After sending in the appeal, do they send you a confirmation (that it has been received)? If they do, do they send it by mail or email? |
Anonymous
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Submitted appeal with these scores:
WISC 147 SB 132 GBRS 8 + parent letter and some work samples from school with teachers marks and comments. Was wondering what are the chances for eligibility. |
Anonymous
I don't think they send a confirmation letter they just mail the decision in June. I sent mine with registered mail so I could check when it was recieved. |