Harvard Rejects Trump Admin’s Demands, Going to Court

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is happening to international students at Harvard? Will they be allowed to stay?

If they’re behaving like the guests that they are, sure!

You have no business discussing Harvard or any other university since you are clearly not college-educated.

Educated or not, he pays taxes and he votes. That makes it his business. And your attitude is exactly the story of liberal elitism that lost us the last election

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is an important point, when you say it is all BS. It actually is not all BS. I do feel bad for Harvard, because the Trump Administration is not negotiating in good faith and is overreaching. And certainly the threat of pulling Harvard’s tax exemption is grossly unfair and illegal. But it is not all BS. The race politics and race identity focus of Harvard is actually harming the people it is intended to help. The DEI programming was terribly misguided.
It is a tough situation. Trump is a bad person and a poor President, no doubt. But when a large number of your fellow Americans say something is wrong, I suggest you not dismiss it as BS coming from ignorant people. Instead, maybe you should think harder about why some of these people are upset and what solutions might be acceptable to both sides.

It's difficult to see it that way when the people criticizing "elite" universities are the graduates of those universities who (1) chose to attend (2) have benefitted greatly from their education there or (3) are not college-educated people who disparage college education to begin with.

DEI programming has gone off the rails in general. So FIX it by adjusting, not be entirely eliminating it and everything else ultra-conservatives dislike. But that's not what the administration is trying to do. They are not interested in fixing it. They are only interested in eliminating everything they dislike and/or stands in their way.

So what was the plan? Let's go so far to the left on all fronts that we lose the next election and trust that trump will cut just enough back to get us to a happy middle?

He can tearHarvard to the ground and he will lose exactly zero support over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard stopped being an University where academic freedom and diversity of views is valued and protected long ago

Their shield should be

Falsitas Praevalet instead of Veritas

Roland Fryer was an unlikely Harvard superstar. Abandoned by his mom at birth and raised by an alcoholic dad, Fryer became the youngest black professor to ever secure tenure at Harvard and won the prestigious John Bates Clark Medal, the prize for the best economist under 40 in the world

Then, in 2018, Fryer’s career was suddenly cut short. Harvard had an official line on why: he’d sexually harassed his staff. Fryer was banned from campus and his multi-million dollar lab was shut down. The few legacy media outlets that did cover the case, such as the New York Times, dutifully repeated the university’s narrative: this punishment was overdue MeToo justice.

No, it wasn’t. Drawing on previously unreported documents and interviews with dozens of Fryer’s friends and colleagues, this documentary reveals his cancellation for what it was: an ideological purge.

https://youtu.be/m8xWOlk3WIw?si=nBF5OjMiuZ6gkYT7

Harvard no longer deserves our respect or tax payer money or tax free status.

The have become an embarrassment

He became a target when he published a paper that showed that police did not shoot black men more frequently than they shot white men.

This was not the result he expected. He was advised not to publish the results, he did so anyway and it undermined BLMs argument. His paper also showed that cops engaged in police brutality disproportionately against black men, particularly young black men.

He was punished by Claudine Gay for being an unloyal black academic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard about to eat daily crap sandwich. Loss of access to federal student loans and grants next shoe to drop.

Harvard has enough kids who are willing to pay fully without any need of student financial aid. The only kids that suffer are those who cannot full pay. I imagine there will be fewer admissions for them.

It's the only way they can achieve diversity these days

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If needed, Harvard can literally geographically move. And God knows how many countries would love to host the university, whether shorter or longer term. And the US would be the ones to suffer, including not only in the brain /money/resource drain and benefits of international connectivity, but the research, the hospitals and other med facilities and programs, all of it. I don't think the current US administration realizes that, while changes would be difficult, inefficient and time consuming for Harvard, the university does not require federal funding, and does not need to be located in the US.

No other country permits holistic admissions. No other country allows unearned preferences of any sort

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard at most would have to wait out 4 years or when the next Democratic administration comes and pays back every single dollar that is withheld with interest and some.

It is only a matter of managing the time until they get paid.

Am institution that becomes a political football like that cannot flourish.

[Anonymous]

Does this administration hate America?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does this administration hate America?

Only the good parts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Respect for Harvard! They are on the right side of this fight.

In my DD's class, more are impressed with schools like Harvard that fight than Columbia that caves.

I can also imagine how easily Harvard will be able to fund raise from alums (internationally and domestically) who are equally proud and want to see their alma mater fight back against this bully.

+100%

I'm an alum, along with my wife, and we plan to make an even bigger donation.

I'm an alum and I'm making my first donation today, as are many of my friends.

It's all a drop in the bucket. Federal funding is billions a year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Respect for Harvard! They are on the right side of this fight.

In my DD's class, more are impressed with schools like Harvard that fight than Columbia that caves.

I can also imagine how easily Harvard will be able to fund raise from alums (internationally and domestically) who are equally proud and want to see their alma mater fight back against this bully.

+100%

I'm an alum, along with my wife, and we plan to make an even bigger donation.

I'm an alum and I'm making my first donation today, as are many of my friends.

Great. They certainly dont need any federal funding with so much more donations now. More reasons why those funds should go to public universities.

GTFO, troll

He makes a decent point.

Let's see if those legacy preferences provide them with the financial support to justify those elitist preferences

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What possible basis does the IRS have for removing Harvard’s tax-exempt status? Can’t imagine it will hold up in court but wondering what their theory and rationale is.

I didn't know what their theory and rationale is but we have pulled tax exempt status for racism before. Harvard engaged in impermissible racism. So it can get its tax exempt status pulled.

There is usually more due process but that seems to be in exceedingly short supply these days

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please ignore the “Asian” troll. Don’t reply to them. Those trolls are deployed all over the internet to rile up the uneducated MAGAs. Most Asians will rise up and help get rid of these maga clowns in the midterm and 2028.

- an Asian

55% voted for Harris 40% voted for Trump. So Asians still primarily supported Democrats but not like they did before all that data was released from the Harvard lawsuit and the discrimination became clear

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What possible basis does the IRS have for removing Harvard’s tax-exempt status? Can’t imagine it will hold up in court but wondering what their theory and rationale is.

It’s illegal for the president to ask IRS to investigate anyone.

So what happened with Matt Tiabbi?

[Anonymous]

Trump admin now saying they sent the letter to Harvard by mistake.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/4/19/nyt-reports-trump-letter-error/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s extortion. No previous White House has ever tried to use the power of the state to steer the nation’s preeminent institutions of higher learning in an ideological direction favored by the president.

“U.S. research universities, and the federal funding that supports them, are one major reason Americans have collected more Nobel Prizes than citizens of any other country. They also help make the United States the world’s innovation engine and the top destination for foreign students. No other country is as adept at converting raw human talent and ideas into cutting-edge products. Research universities anchor innovation clusters such as Silicon Valley, which in turn fuel the country’s economic growth.”

Nearly a month ago, for example, Columbia University agreed to most of the White House’s demands in the hopes that Trump and his team would restore $400 million in federal funding. Not only were those hopes soon dashed — Columbia didn’t get its money back — but the administration soon after proposed installing oversight personnel to help run the school in ways that would make the president happy.

In effect, the White House responded to Columbia’s appeasement by trying in part to take over Columbia.

+100

People cheering for this are puppets. It’s the beginning of a fascist regime. They want to control all of the elite universities so there are no alternative ideas or push back. Much like firing all the IGs.

Obama sent letters threatening universities to install DEI or lose funding. Full compliance.

Obama did not tell schools their federal funding depended on creating entire DEI programs, much less demand to pick students and faculty who shared his party’s “viewpoints.” If you mean trans kids getting to use the restroom that matched their identity, you can’t possibly think that was as consequential as reshaping the ideology of any entire university’s population, as the Harvard letter lays out. I’m all for diversity of thought, but the gov should not be in the business of evaluating what that looks like when it itself swings so dramatically from one election to the other.

Republicans are supposed to favor small gov!

Forcing trans ideology on everyone is not really great either.

And Republicans never favored small government, they favor low taxes and no entitlements or social safety nets. Bootstraps and all that.

Not forcing ideology - enforcing respect for individual human beings, including those with whom you disagree.....Including different viewpoints - isn't that what the Trump argument is here complaining that universities are squashing conservative voices?

They were enforcing compliance with trans ideology.

It wasn't live and let live. It was, do as I say.

What a tiny percentage of the population yo worry about.

Sure you don't have Trans Derangement Syndrome?

You are not winning any converts this way.

It's too late for that.

I'm not hoping to win you. You are clearly nuts and lost sight of the narrative a long time ago.

Right back at you. You are part of the reason trump won

Trump won because bigots gonna bigot. DP.

So that's the winning formula? Just nominate a bigot and the Republicans keep winning?

I doubt that's true.