Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss

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Anonymous wrote:Just because you call something "elite" doesn't make it true.

Kind of funny how almost an entire DA boys team is now filled with kids who played u8-u13 NCSL/odsl on non-elite teams...just sayin...


Not funny, this is the way the clbus structured the I'D sessions. Every club in this area is charging for their DA training about $2,300. Who do you think is going to be accepting the offers? What they're ID'ing at these "venters" isn't talent.
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Anonymous wrote:Just because you call something "elite" doesn't make it true.

Kind of funny how almost an entire DA boys team is now filled with kids who played u8-u13 NCSL/odsl on non-elite teams...just sayin...


I don't disagree and that is the point. It is also the point of my praise for the Cougars parents. I take a lot of crap being called "CCL Guy" when all along I have been a proponent of multiple paths, multiple options. There are many ways to successfully develop a player. Leagues don't develop players, coaches and parents do. Find the right fit for your kid and forget the rest. If you don't mind travel and overnight trips then great, but it isn't necessary. It also isn't detrimental either. Kids LOVE staying in hotels with their teammates.

If travel sucks for you, great, there are local leagues that will give you and your family time back to pursue other activities. But both paths need your support and a good coach.


hook line sinker . . . bloviating ccl person, we get it. u r. Broken record. move on girl, and quit taking the bait . . . Broken record! go post it all in another forum you hypocrite.


Why are you so bothered by my opinion? It is only an opinion why are you so offended or threatened? You realize that I don't really care what league or team that your or any other kid plays on right? I have seen kids from A teams drop and eventually quit the sport, I have also seen rec players reach very high levels of play in a very short time. I have watched my own kids develop, hit road blocks, break through and struggle again and on with the process and cycle.

So what exactly is it that I have said specifically that you disagree with or angers you so much?


No idea why these keep people keep picking on your opinion. There should be choices as you state that end up being better than others for players and families. CCL works for some and not others. Same as ODSL VS NCSL. choices are good. It keeps kids playing the game.


Ok "CCL guy", don't go bi-polar on us... lol man I hadn't even said anything to you, but you decided to out yourself because you want attention. Do your kids even play anymore? From your last post it seems as of they're teenagers at least. Stay anonymous and noone will talk to you anymore, unless you want attention so bad you're willing to play the role as the "troll"
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Anonymous wrote:Just because you call something "elite" doesn't make it true.

Kind of funny how almost an entire DA boys team is now filled with kids who played u8-u13 NCSL/odsl on non-elite teams...just sayin...


I don't disagree and that is the point. It is also the point of my praise for the Cougars parents. I take a lot of crap being called "CCL Guy" when all along I have been a proponent of multiple paths, multiple options. There are many ways to successfully develop a player. Leagues don't develop players, coaches and parents do. Find the right fit for your kid and forget the rest. If you don't mind travel and overnight trips then great, but it isn't necessary. It also isn't detrimental either. Kids LOVE staying in hotels with their teammates.

If travel sucks for you, great, there are local leagues that will give you and your family time back to pursue other activities. But both paths need your support and a good coach.


hook line sinker . . . bloviating ccl person, we get it. u r. Broken record. move on girl, and quit taking the bait . . . Broken record! go post it all in another forum you hypocrite.


Why are you so bothered by my opinion? It is only an opinion why are you so offended or threatened? You realize that I don't really care what league or team that your or any other kid plays on right? I have seen kids from A teams drop and eventually quit the sport, I have also seen rec players reach very high levels of play in a very short time. I have watched my own kids develop, hit road blocks, break through and struggle again and on with the process and cycle.

So what exactly is it that I have said specifically that you disagree with or angers you so much?


No idea why these keep people keep picking on your opinion. There should be choices as you state that end up being better than others for players and families. CCL works for some and not others. Same as ODSL VS NCSL. choices are good. It keeps kids playing the game.


Ok "CCL guy", don't go bi-polar on us... lol man I hadn't even said anything to you, but you decided to out yourself because you want attention. Do your kids even play anymore? From your last post it seems as of they're teenagers at least. Stay anonymous and noone will talk to you anymore, unless you want attention so bad you're willing to play the role as the "troll"


**1000!
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Anonymous wrote:Just because you call something "elite" doesn't make it true.

Kind of funny how almost an entire DA boys team is now filled with kids who played u8-u13 NCSL/odsl on non-elite teams...just sayin...


Not funny, this is the way the clbus structured the I'D sessions. Every club in this area is charging for their DA training about $2,300. Who do you think is going to be accepting the offers? What they're ID'ing at these "venters" isn't talent.


The kids last year that are on the team. They arent from the home clubs. Those kids couldn't make it.
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Anonymous wrote:Ok "CCL guy", don't go bi-polar on us... lol man I hadn't even said anything to you, but you decided to out yourself because you want attention. Do your kids even play anymore? From your last post it seems as of they're teenagers at least. Stay anonymous and noone will talk to you anymore, unless you want attention so bad you're willing to play the role as the "troll"


Personally, I find CCL guy, as you like to inaccurately disparage him, to be much more useful to the board than you, whose only contribute is to insult people.
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One basic problem here is that the pyramid is upside-down.

Basic "travel" soccer should be accessible. In a densely populated area like this, we should be able to get good games without piling up travel costs. Imagine if we got all the players who want to play travel -- especially those who have either been priced out or don't have six hours to make a round-trip every Sunday -- and gave them opportunities to play at a level that suits them.

We don't need as much "elite" travel. This is driven by delusional parents and coaches.

Maybe things will settle in a few years. Perhaps an NCSL/ODSL merger or ODSL/SFL merger. Perhaps CCL, EDP and VPL can put egos aside and realize how silly it is to have three "elite" leagues in addition to DA and ECNL.

But frankly, I worry less about the latter. If "elite" players want freedom of choice among five elite leagues, so be it. Just make things more sensible for the rest of us. And come in and scout the rest of us every once in a while -- I certainly hope an enterprising DA or college coach skips the occasional big-money elite-league showcase and checks out a Cougars game or two.
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Anonymous wrote:Winter Futsal recap....what league were you in this winter and how was it? How was the organization? How were the facilities? How was the competition? How was the refereeing? Thanks. My son's team did indoor so I'm curious how the futsal went.


My U11 DS did FTF at NOVA (community college, not fieldhouse). Team played in a division with Arlington, McLean, LMVSC and Bethesda South and the competition was very good. Refereeing was fine with no issues.

We have friends at CYA and I like the way they do winter training. They have an internal futsal league at NOVA Fieldhouse where they take U11 & U12 and spread the kids out on different teams.


MY U11 DS also played at FTF in this same division. The organization was well done with games always starting exactly on time and ending with enough time for the next team to warm-up. Facility was good but wish Futsal court was slightly larger. No issues with referees. I find interesting that the previous poster left out one club from the division which is Cougars (I'm not a Cougars parent). Probably because just like me, I had no idea who they were. I find it interesting because out of all of the big names they came in second and will be playing against Bethesda South in final. From the game against my kids team they had great individual skills and team play. I know Futsal doesn't truly translate to outdoor but I'm curious if anyone has seen them play outdoor? Has anyone tried out with them? I've seen their name mentioned on this blog once or twice before but never gave it a second thought.


Interesting...Cougars is the ODSL team people are always saying are amazing and should not be playing in ODSL since they destroy everyone. If they are on par with with Bethesda South then they could easily try for EDP. Wonder why they stay in ODSL? Maybe financial??
I think they would do fine in 3rd division EDP.


I think they are dedicated to keeping costs down.

(I wonder when we'll hear from the guy who insists that "travel soccer" has to mean driving all over creation and spending thousands of dollars per season, because reasons.)


I'm sure the ODSL fees are very comparable to those in NCSL. EDP may be a bit more expensive but probably not that much.

People I know whose kids play in ODSL, I think they are 2005s, pay only a few hundred dollars a year (I think $300). They practice twice a week in season.


05s are U12. They do have a U12 team listed in ODSL but that is not the same team as the U11.


Looks like the U12 team also did pretty well in ODSL.


ODSL teams are a fraction of the price as teams that place in other leagues! ODSL is generally a step above rec, so the fees are like $300 in most clubs. I could see why Cougars would want to keep prices down, but I am surprised their players don't get poached by clubs with teams in NCSL, CCL etc.


Could be because most clubs don't know they exist or even look outside their bubble. Kind of like the overall scouting system in the U.S. which is non-existent. The players must go to them and pay to be seen versus the other way around. At this age it's also likely that the parents value the education that the players are getting at this team. Maybe they feel valued versus just being one of the many. There are good players and coaches at small clubs just like the big ones but people don't usually bother to look or give them an opportunity. Good for them if they are finding a way to be competitive and continue to develop within their means. Maybe those are the kids that down the road in the older ages will continue playing at a high level and maybe filling the "Academy" teams of the so called big clubs.
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Anonymous wrote:One basic problem here is that the pyramid is upside-down.

Basic "travel" soccer should be accessible. In a densely populated area like this, we should be able to get good games without piling up travel costs. Imagine if we got all the players who want to play travel -- especially those who have either been priced out or don't have six hours to make a round-trip every Sunday -- and gave them opportunities to play at a level that suits them.

We don't need as much "elite" travel. This is driven by delusional parents and coaches.

Maybe things will settle in a few years. Perhaps an NCSL/ODSL merger or ODSL/SFL merger. Perhaps CCL, EDP and VPL can put egos aside and realize how silly it is to have three "elite" leagues in addition to DA and ECNL.

But frankly, I worry less about the latter. If "elite" players want freedom of choice among five elite leagues, so be it. Just make things more sensible for the rest of us. And come in and scout the rest of us every once in a while -- I certainly hope an enterprising DA or college coach skips the occasional big-money elite-league showcase and checks out a Cougars game or two.


too funny, we must have been thinking the same thing as we were posting. ha ha.
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Anonymous wrote:One basic problem here is that the pyramid is upside-down.

Basic "travel" soccer should be accessible. In a densely populated area like this, we should be able to get good games without piling up travel costs. Imagine if we got all the players who want to play travel -- especially those who have either been priced out or don't have six hours to make a round-trip every Sunday -- and gave them opportunities to play at a level that suits them.

We don't need as much "elite" travel. This is driven by delusional parents and coaches.

Maybe things will settle in a few years. Perhaps an NCSL/ODSL merger or ODSL/SFL merger. Perhaps CCL, EDP and VPL can put egos aside and realize how silly it is to have three "elite" leagues in addition to DA and ECNL.

But frankly, I worry less about the latter. If "elite" players want freedom of choice among five elite leagues, so be it. Just make things more sensible for the rest of us. And come in and scout the rest of us every once in a while -- I certainly hope an enterprising DA or college coach skips the occasional big-money elite-league showcase and checks out a Cougars game or two.


It's a shame our closed system doesn't allow them to be exposed to better competition b/c they're from a small club. As they get older and seak better competition it may force them to find a different club either individually as a team.
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Anonymous wrote:Ok "CCL guy", don't go bi-polar on us... lol man I hadn't even said anything to you, but you decided to out yourself because you want attention. Do your kids even play anymore? From your last post it seems as of they're teenagers at least. Stay anonymous and noone will talk to you anymore, unless you want attention so bad you're willing to play the role as the "troll"


Personally, I find CCL guy, as you like to inaccurately disparage him, to be much more useful to the board than you, whose only contribute is to insult people.


I've contributed more, in other posts, not in this one. I think you mean the posts were useful. To that I would encourage you to go back in this forum and read several conversations relating to CCL and travel. This guy disparaged, insulted, and mocked everyone who complained about the travel. He may have had a few substantive posts, the problem is that he has repeated those continuously, which is why some other poster called him a "broken record".
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Kind of funny how almost an entire DA boys team is now filled with kids who played u8-u13 NCSL/odsl on non-elite teams...just sayin...


I find that hard to believe, unless you are confusing "non-elite" with "non-ccl".

Which DA team are you taking about?
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The league and club proliferation has nothing to do with player development or development of the game in the US and everything to do with $$$$$$$$. Until it's profitable to consolidate, the consolidation won't happen. Also, anyone looked at how clubs/leagues are now spinning off tournament companies? And saying that the leagues (ERL for instance) have to participate in those tournaments? Thus doubling the cash extraction from club consumers, i.e., parents? Total racket.
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Kind of funny how almost an entire DA boys team is now filled with kids who played u8-u13 NCSL/odsl on non-elite teams...just sayin...


I find that hard to believe, unless you are confusing "non-elite" with "non-ccl".

Which DA team are you taking about?



The DA teams are at CCL clubs. I take it as---majority of players that made the first round of DA teams at these CCL clubs last year did not play in a CCL club from U9-u12.
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Anonymous wrote:Ok "CCL guy", don't go bi-polar on us... lol man I hadn't even said anything to you, but you decided to out yourself because you want attention. Do your kids even play anymore? From your last post it seems as of they're teenagers at least. Stay anonymous and noone will talk to you anymore, unless you want attention so bad you're willing to play the role as the "troll"


Personally, I find CCL guy, as you like to inaccurately disparage him, to be much more useful to the board than you, whose only contribute is to insult people.


I've contributed more, in other posts, not in this one. I think you mean the posts were useful. To that I would encourage you to go back in this forum and read several conversations relating to CCL and travel. This guy disparaged, insulted, and mocked everyone who complained about the travel. He may have had a few substantive posts, the problem is that he has repeated those continuously, which is why some other poster called him a "broken record".


I've read everything posted in this thread and have made a lot of the posts myself, but as much as "CCl guy" is a broken record for saying parents can and should join a team where the amount of travel is something they're comfortable with, so too are you a broken record not just on responding to his posts but also bringing him up in discussions where he hasn't made a post. And those posts (calling him out) add nothing to the substance of this discussion.
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Kind of funny how almost an entire DA boys team is now filled with kids who played u8-u13 NCSL/odsl on non-elite teams...just sayin...


I find that hard to believe, unless you are confusing "non-elite" with "non-ccl".

Which DA team are you taking about?



The DA teams are at CCL clubs. I take it as---majority of players that made the first round of DA teams at these CCL clubs last year did not play in a CCL club from U9-u12.


I know a good majority selected played for a team in NCSL that wasn't anywhere near the top division---hence the use of the term "non-elite". Btw, I think it's a ridiculous thing to call any kids U12 and under elite. That age should be all about individual development and developing individual technique and very little with team-focus/wins, etc. Games should merely be means to practice not determine a players 'eliteness'. Good lord. It sure doesn't take talent to win at the younger ages. A good majority of those kids still can't keep a pass on the ground or trap it---much less dribble with their head-up.
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