ECNL moving to school year part 2

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MLS Next stating “aligns with FIFA standards”. Meanwhile a year ago, SY proponents falsely argued that other countries also use SY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MLS Next stating “aligns with FIFA standards”. Meanwhile a year ago, SY proponents falsely argued that other countries also use SY.

What are fifa standards and why is it important that we are aligned with them? Teams can play internationally? MLS academies can sell a player with duel citizenship prior to 18? There was 1 last year and I think 1 the year before.

You’re talking about things that will never impact 99% of kids that play MLSN. This decision was done entirely to cater to mls academies and puts all of their p2p clubs in a terrible position.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that MLS has a clear landing zone for SY grouped ECRL teams its going to be a green light for switching over to MLSN2+GA from ECRL boys/girls.

Opps sorry was tying too quickly.

I meant ECNL not ECRL

If ECNL thins out their weaker teams and tries to send them to ECRL those clubs could definitely look at MLSN2/GA.

Whatever, but I meant ECNL not ECRL.

Are you crazy? Any club with their top team in mlsn2 is running to ecnl right now. Mlsn2 now firmly a second team league. Always was, but at least there was the illusion of a pathway. That’s gone.

Agree. Not only clubs, also players.

bad marketing. Now MLS2 is an obvious shill to everybody. It will hurt MLS2 only clubs.

Even to MLS1 club with MLS2 team, the pathway to scam potential players to join MLS2 team will become much harder.

Yes suddenly NAL may be a landing spot MLsn2 players that don’t want to do crazy travel knowing it is a total scam. I think NAL and ECNL talent pools will increase as a result. MLSN2 takes a big hit for sure.

Prior to this, players can be deceived into joining MLS2, hoping to be promoted to the MLS1 team. After this change, the player will prefer ECNL over MLS2. And ECNL will be a better fit as most elite players will go to college, plus the younger feeder teams are all SY. MLS is too arrogant to make this stupid market move. ECNL is laughing to the bank.

MLSN is holding all the cards.

ECNL parents are bluffing while holding a frying pan.

Just look at the past Surf College Cup, so many MLSN teams get destroyed by ECNL and even RL teams. I have been to both MLS1 and ECNL. I know the p2p MLS1 level.

GA teams also beat ECNL teams that does not mean GA is the better league? MLSN is the front runner for boys and will stay that way as long as they have the mls connection. ECNL girls are the only ones who could lose teams if GA and NWSL start a true pathway. As of now ECNL girls is the top of the pyramid.

The only connection for p2p MLS with the actual MLS is one game a season and play down an Academy team. What a shame.

[Anonymous]

I think MLSN2 is dead.

What is the purpose or interest of a league stuck in a pothole, with no pro pathway and no connection with college recruiting?

For professional pathway there is MLSN1, for college the best is ECNL.

There is no point in paying/traveling at a league that offers nothing.

Winner is ECNL, clearly.

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Anonymous wrote:MLS Next stating “aligns with FIFA standards”. Meanwhile a year ago, SY proponents falsely argued that other countries also use SY.

What are fifa standards and why is it important that we are aligned with them? Teams can play internationally? MLS academies can sell a player with duel citizenship prior to 18? There was 1 last year and I think 1 the year before.

You’re talking about things that will never impact 99% of kids that play MLSN. This decision was done entirely to cater to mls academies and puts all of their p2p clubs in a terrible position.

So, are you saying all the good Q4s head for ECNL now? And what do all the still good Q1-Q2 players do in ECNL? Do they stay there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think MLSN2 is dead.

What is the purpose or interest of a league stuck in a pothole, with no pro pathway and no connection with college recruiting?

For professional pathway there is MLSN1, for college the best is ECNL.

There is no point in paying/traveling at a league that offers nothing.

Winner is ECNL, clearly.

Seems like MLSN want both the pro and college pathway. What's to stop them now that they'll have strong teams with both BY and SY configurations?

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Anonymous wrote:MLS Next stating “aligns with FIFA standards”. Meanwhile a year ago, SY proponents falsely argued that other countries also use SY.

What are fifa standards and why is it important that we are aligned with them? Teams can play internationally? MLS academies can sell a player with duel citizenship prior to 18? There was 1 last year and I think 1 the year before.

You’re talking about things that will never impact 99% of kids that play MLSN. This decision was done entirely to cater to mls academies and puts all of their p2p clubs in a terrible position.

So, are you saying all the good Q4s head for ECNL now? And what do all the still good Q1-Q2 players do in ECNL? Do they stay there?

I think this was the worst decision MLSN could have made. If you want to commit to By, commit to By for your entire platform and let your clubs stay By through their feeder system.

I think the best kids will go to mls academies. Beyond that… it will become more stratified with Jan-July going to MLSN and Aug-dec going to ecnl. Not everyone, every family has different needs, siblings, proximity to ecnl/MLSN clubs, but generally that is what will happen.

It will be interesting to see how quickly ecnl can start to pull big clubs away from MLSN or how long this decision from MLSN lasts. This decision puts MLSN p2p clubs in a terrible position but clearly MLSN doesn’t care.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think MLSN2 is dead.

What is the purpose or interest of a league stuck in a pothole, with no pro pathway and no connection with college recruiting?

For professional pathway there is MLSN1, for college the best is ECNL.

There is no point in paying/traveling at a league that offers nothing.

Winner is ECNL, clearly.

Seems like MLSN want both the pro and college pathway. What's to stop them now that they'll have strong teams with both BY and SY configurations?

MLSN doesn’t want anything other than their academies. This decision makes that very clear. They don’t give a sh** about their p2p clubs.

[Anonymous]

In my humble opinion big mistake by MLS Next.

In near future feeder young teams (U12 and below) will be full of August, September and Q4s, all of them used to SY.

When arriving at U13, why would they move to BY, losing their physical or RAE competitive advantage?

A minority could move to a MLS academy, but most of them will prefer an ECLN SY team rather than a p2p MLSNext BY team, where they would be the youngest.

The big losers here are p2p MLS Next clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:MLS Next stating “aligns with FIFA standards”. Meanwhile a year ago, SY proponents falsely argued that other countries also use SY.

What are fifa standards and why is it important that we are aligned with them? Teams can play internationally? MLS academies can sell a player with duel citizenship prior to 18? There was 1 last year and I think 1 the year before.

You’re talking about things that will never impact 99% of kids that play MLSN. This decision was done entirely to cater to mls academies and puts all of their p2p clubs in a terrible position.

So, are you saying all the good Q4s head for ECNL now? And what do all the still good Q1-Q2 players do in ECNL? Do they stay there?

I think this was the worst decision MLSN could have made. If you want to commit to By, commit to By for your entire platform and let your clubs stay By through their feeder system.

I think the best kids will go to mls academies. Beyond that… it will become more stratified with Jan-July going to MLSN and Aug-dec going to ecnl. Not everyone, every family has different needs, siblings, proximity to ecnl/MLSN clubs, but generally that is what will happen.

It will be interesting to see how quickly ecnl can start to pull big clubs away from MLSN or how long this decision from MLSN lasts. This decision puts MLSN p2p clubs in a terrible position but clearly MLSN doesn’t care.

But BY wasn't going to help p2p clubs because the rest of youth soccer is switching to SY. There would be no BY feeder system for those clubs to join.

[Anonymous]

Many people say now MLS Next 2 is pointless, I agree.

I would add that also MLS Next 1 will be useless for p2p clubs.

MLS Next 1 makes sense for MLS academies, not for the rest of US Soccer environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In my humble opinion big mistake by MLS Next.

In near future feeder young teams (U12 and below) will be full of August, September and Q4s, all of them used to SY.

When arriving at U13, why would they move to BY, losing their physical or RAE competitive advantage?

A minority could move to a MLS academy, but most of them will prefer an ECLN SY team rather than a p2p MLSNext BY team, where they would be the youngest.

The big losers here are p2p MLS Next clubs.

Unless MLSN can make their SY MLSN clubs a better option than ECNL

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Anonymous wrote:MLS Next stating “aligns with FIFA standards”. Meanwhile a year ago, SY proponents falsely argued that other countries also use SY.

What are fifa standards and why is it important that we are aligned with them? Teams can play internationally? MLS academies can sell a player with duel citizenship prior to 18? There was 1 last year and I think 1 the year before.

You’re talking about things that will never impact 99% of kids that play MLSN. This decision was done entirely to cater to mls academies and puts all of their p2p clubs in a terrible position.

So, are you saying all the good Q4s head for ECNL now? And what do all the still good Q1-Q2 players do in ECNL? Do they stay there?

I think this was the worst decision MLSN could have made. If you want to commit to By, commit to By for your entire platform and let your clubs stay By through their feeder system.

I think the best kids will go to mls academies. Beyond that… it will become more stratified with Jan-July going to MLSN and Aug-dec going to ecnl. Not everyone, every family has different needs, siblings, proximity to ecnl/MLSN clubs, but generally that is what will happen.

It will be interesting to see how quickly ecnl can start to pull big clubs away from MLSN or how long this decision from MLSN lasts. This decision puts MLSN p2p clubs in a terrible position but clearly MLSN doesn’t care.

But BY wasn't going to help p2p clubs because the rest of youth soccer is switching to SY. There would be no BY feeder system for those clubs to join.

The clubs would keep their u8-u12 teams BY and play up in SY leagues. It’s not perfect but it’s a better alternative to both the kids and clubs than this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many people say now MLS Next 2 is pointless, I agree.

I would add that also MLS Next 1 will be useless for p2p clubs.

MLS Next 1 makes sense for MLS academies, not for the rest of US Soccer environment.

Actually, US soccer is the big winner. If they can have elite leagues that feature players in both BY and SY, that'll result in more elite players. That developmentally could also benefit more than just having BY or SY only.

[Anonymous]

I bet MLS Next will be reconsidering or going back from this decision next year.

My guess is many MLNS1 clubs are right now calling ECNL phones, asking about chances of joining it.