Jen Hatmaker

[Anonymous]

I think most of the people who “take Jen’s evolution personal” and/or show concern for the people she takes advantage of and misleads are not so much highly impressionable to the media they consume as they are highly impressionable to what scripture says.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even her simple ‘movie and wine night with friends’-post reveals how obnoxious she is. anyone here whose husband would think it was funny if he came home after a long day and wanted to sleep in his own bed, but his wife and her friends were taking it for a movie, so we had to go to sleep elsewhere in the house, and then he finds a wine stain on his comforter the next morning? Would anyone’s husband think that was funny? Charming? Silly? My hubby is one of the coolest and kindest men I know, and he definitely would not. How about parents here… Would anyone think that was cute if teenagers and their friends did that to your comforter (fine, with coke, not wine)? So why is it cute for the adult women to act like that? 🙄

Situation reversed: would we expect all the women to just smirk and roll eyes at their husbands hosting hangouts that intrude on the wife’s personal space and time and bedroom relaxation, then making jokes about spills and stains they leave behind for us gals to clean up? Jen really does think EVERYthing she does or says is cute or funny. It is so not. Maybe that’s why the girls cling to each other so hard… No one else would put up with them as friends!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think most of the people who “take Jen’s evolution personal” and/or show concern for the people she takes advantage of and misleads are not so much highly impressionable to the media they consume as they are highly impressionable to what scripture says.

The scripture says women should remain silent. Why were y’all following Jen in the first place? You either believe there is cultural nuance, or you don’t. I guess you were only willing to ride the slippery slope so far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think most of the people who “take Jen’s evolution personal” and/or show concern for the people she takes advantage of and misleads are not so much highly impressionable to the media they consume as they are highly impressionable to what scripture says.

All of us in this thread seem to have been a Jen follower at some point. The overwhelming majority, at least. It seems like everyone here, regardless of whether they love or hate Jen, is capable of discernment. She’s not tricking people—she’s oversharing most of her business. It’s pretty easy to see that she frequently contradicts herself—that she’s changed stances on core beliefs—that her personal life is tied to her interpretation of her faith. The people who choose to click on the promo code or take the me course are informed participants. They don’t require your pity or vigilantism.

I think it’s fine to snark on Jen because you find her annoying, but don’t act like you’re doing the work of the Lord on a gossip thread. Just get on with the gossip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even her simple ‘movie and wine night with friends’-post reveals how obnoxious she is. anyone here whose husband would think it was funny if he came home after a long day and wanted to sleep in his own bed, but his wife and her friends were taking it for a movie, so we had to go to sleep elsewhere in the house, and then he finds a wine stain on his comforter the next morning? Would anyone’s husband think that was funny? Charming? Silly? My hubby is one of the coolest and kindest men I know, and he definitely would not. How about parents here… Would anyone think that was cute if teenagers and their friends did that to your comforter (fine, with coke, not wine)? So why is it cute for the adult women to act like that? 🙄

It takes a pretty self-absorbed person to do this. Maybe in a guest room, maybe, but I wouldn’t put the husband out because I like to be considerate of him. Would I want him in our bed with his friends watching football and drinking beer? If she was an adult she’d ask herself adult questions like would I want to be treated this way? I can see how Brandon felt shut out of his marriage.

[Anonymous]

The woke mob is a myth.

I take it you haven't been in her comment section lately?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: She pretends her kids are the greatest and her family is the greatest when we've all seen otherwise. So essentially, she's a liar.

Do some of you even hear yourselves? If you all are not your kids biggest cheerleaders then I feel bad for them. You can be realistic about your kids and still love, cheerlead, and highlight the good without being a liar. Regardless of what the pitchforks on here think, she doesn't owe us any part of the bad times, if all she posts is the highlight reel then that means it's 99% just like the rest of social media and you can just keep scrolling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: She pretends her kids are the greatest and her family is the greatest when we've all seen otherwise. So essentially, she's a liar.

Do some of you even hear yourselves? If you all are not your kids biggest cheerleaders then I feel bad for them. You can be realistic about your kids and still love, cheerlead, and highlight the good without being a liar. Regardless of what the pitchforks on here think, she doesn't owe us any part of the bad times, if all she posts is the highlight reel then that means it's 99% just like the rest of social media and you can just keep scrolling.

Sure, if she were just another privileged white suburban woman, it would be easy to scroll right on by. But she's decided to package herself and her family as a product. If she speaks in hyperbole about what a financial wizard she is just because she learned how to refinance her mortgage, who cares. But when she speaks in hyperbole and then shills an online finance course, that makes her a modern day snake oil salesperson.

I don't think she owes anyone anything, especially about her kids. At the end of the day, I truly don't care about the Hatmakers. But it is very reassuring that not everyone buys into her grift, and it's interesting to hear about what was really going on at ANC.

[Anonymous]

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The woke mob is a myth.

I take it you haven't been in her comment section lately?

Yes, I have seen Jen’s comment section. Middle aged moms who believe in equal rights—which is the majority of Americans, so why you’re stuck here on Jen is confusing.

The idea of there being a “woke mob” is propaganda used to justify the relentless pursuit for inequality. The right has co-opted and weaponized the word woke and they use it against anyone who believes in LGBTQ+ rights, speaks out about police brutality, believes in a women’s right to choose, so on and so forth… Differing opinions do not a mob make. It👏is👏propaganda 👏 and you’ve fallen for it and perpetuate it.

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Anonymous wrote:I begrudge those who make a living by taking advantage of those who may have mental health problems so she sells them a mecourse or she is a spokesperson for Better Health. I begrudge those who make a living by taking advantage of people by selling them things they can learn for free. It’s called having ethics. Not a WORK ethic but just having ethics and morals in general. Social media influencers who get paid to raise your awareness about a cool restaurant or a fun experience, I’m okay with. She is doing something different than that. She’s legitimately taking advantage of those who may be suffering financially or emotionally and in a vulnerable place and is trying to make money off of them.

Whatever Jen is going thru at any given moment, her first thought seems to be how can I make money off of this, let me count the ways. Whether it’s real, exaggerated, based on half truths, truly traumatic, completely insignificant, she has a podcast, me course, link, promotion, whatever. How many has she done on how many repeated subjects thrown back on her divorce, which seems the grift that keeps on giving.

That’s because this is her job. Her job is to make her life into money.

I'm gonna agree with this 100.
I'm wondering how many of the PPs who have such a hard time with her "grift" or her "shilling" have husbands who make the money and pay the bills. I get this is where you can come to hate on someone you previously thought hung the moon...but just be honest. Girl is making hay.

Full agree. How many of the PPs here are SAHMs? And how many more have jobs that bring in significantly less than their husbands—with their paychecks not being a make/break situation for the family finances? The constant defense of Brandon tells me that lots of these women have settled for having an unfaithful partner. The bitterness that Jen didn’t have to accept adultery and betrayal and is instead able to pay her own way seems to be infuriating for some of these PPs.

If you don’t like how she’s making money, UNFOLLOW! Your rage engagement with her SM presence still helps her make money!

[Anonymous]

Jen is making money promoting Better Help, which many commenters have stated is problematic - for both the customers and the counselors; and selling a therapy Me Course with her personal therapist, through an absolutely unethical partnership….
And we’re all supposed to cheer her on because…. She needs to make money after her divorce? I’m so confused. This is absolute capitalist, profit seeking, BS. How in the world do people justify this and follow it with, “You’re just mad she stands for equality!”.

[Anonymous]

Jen is a single woman that needs to make money to support herself, so we shouldn’t care HOW she’s doing it!

Honest question - who was supporting their entire family of 7 over the past several years? JEN. And she was doing it without all of the shilling of “discount codes” and the constant ads. Do we really think Brandon was a heavy contributor to the family finances? He hasn’t pastored in years (and would he have even made that much money at ANC?). Was he pulling in a huge salary at Legacy Collective that is now just gone? If so, that says even more about LC being a terrible way to give.
She suddenly needs to make as much money as possible, through any means necessary, because now she has 1 kid in college and 1 at home instead of 5?!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:, and it's interesting to hear about what was really going on at ANC.

All from evangelicals who love a fall from grace. And how do we even know what we are hearing is true. This is all anonymous and sounds like sour grapes. Maybe you’re mad that your/her church went to affirming. Evangelicals are swift to devour their own. Burn their books. Call someone a heretic and cancel them over differing views. The baptists don’t believe like the Methodists, the Methodists don’t believe like the Presbyterians and the CoC believes they’re all going to hell. And it’s funny that all the “Christians” love the demise and love to pile on. Jesus was big on these behaviors I’m sure. Keep it up.

[Anonymous]

I do get a kick out of the person here who seems to be one of Jen's biggest fans. The one who is constantly trying to continue on with the tired and sexist debate of SAHMs vs. working moms and who assumes everyone on here is stuck in a marriage with a spouse who was/is unfaithful and that even if you work outside the home you surely must make pittance salary. Plus, the rally cry they have around the made up menace, the woke mob. The one who thinks Jen is a brilliant sales person just because she makes her own money. Lots of people on here make their own money and don't depend on partners for an income. Or they have a dual income I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they're probably not married to a cheater. The point everyone on here is trying to make is how she is earning her money. Not that she is earning money but the people she is exploiting to earn it. No one has an issue with her trying to make a living. Girl has to eat. But she is so blinded by herself that she doesn't consider ethics in her business transactions.

[Anonymous]

I'm about to say something positive about Brandon so I guess that means I condone his cheater ways. Since Jen has acknowledged that she was not the one handling any aspect of the finances in her marriage, then it means Brandon was the one negotiating her book contracts and her speaking engagements. If he wasn't doing that on her behalf then she was lying about how much she knew about finances and she was doing it. If he was doing it on her behalf then he was an employee of their company and it wasn't Jen carrying everything. Sounds like she was the face but he was behind the scenes.