Have you sign-up for weekly asymptomatic testing at APS

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Anonymous wrote:All of you objecting to asymptomatic testing, don't you remember when we had children do asymptomatic testing for the swine flu in 2009-2010, causing tons of healthy kids who were close contact to miss school? Oh yeah, neither do I.

The Swine flu is estimated to have killed 3x to 4x more kids on an annual basis than COVID (CDC had to estimate because they weren't testing people like crazy):
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa/swine-flu-has-killed-up-to-17000-in-u-s-report-idUSN1223579720100212

Flu is also often transmitted asymptomatically:
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/asymptomatic-influenza-infection-rates-deserve-more-attention

Stop asking such logical questions! Pfizer just announced that they could not directly test the efficacy of the vaccine in the trial they just conducted because of how rarely children 5-11 become seriously ill with COVID.

That is why I did not sign my children up for asymptomatic screening. This nonsense has to stop.

“Nonsense”? JFC.

Yes, when a recent flu SIGNIFICANTLY more dangerous to children did not result in any asymptomatic testing, forced masking and other restrictive rules, the only logical explanation is pure hysteria.

H1N1 is still here too, just like COVID will be in 2031. These policies imply COVID will be eradicated, which it will not be. Significant disruptions of children's education for little benefit.

You're forgetting these policies do provide the benefit to closed school activists of avoiding cognitive dissonance from the significant harm these closed school policies they advocated for inflicted on children (they're still advocating for closed schools as they want healthy children to be out of school).

No one is advocating for “closed schools”, nut job.

Vaccinate*, mask, test.

*kids soon too!

Why do these things for something a fraction less deadly to children than H1N1?

Because there isn't an H1N1 pandemic.

0 logic. We didn't do them in 2009-2010 when the H1N1 pandemic occurred

It wasn't a pandemic.

I apologize. I'm mistaken. It was technically a pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:All of you objecting to asymptomatic testing, don't you remember when we had children do asymptomatic testing for the swine flu in 2009-2010, causing tons of healthy kids who were close contact to miss school? Oh yeah, neither do I.

The Swine flu is estimated to have killed 3x to 4x more kids on an annual basis than COVID (CDC had to estimate because they weren't testing people like crazy):
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa/swine-flu-has-killed-up-to-17000-in-u-s-report-idUSN1223579720100212

Flu is also often transmitted asymptomatically:
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/asymptomatic-influenza-infection-rates-deserve-more-attention

Stop asking such logical questions! Pfizer just announced that they could not directly test the efficacy of the vaccine in the trial they just conducted because of how rarely children 5-11 become seriously ill with COVID.

That is why I did not sign my children up for asymptomatic screening. This nonsense has to stop.

“Nonsense”? JFC.

Yes, when a recent flu SIGNIFICANTLY more dangerous to children did not result in any asymptomatic testing, forced masking and other restrictive rules, the only logical explanation is pure hysteria.

H1N1 is still here too, just like COVID will be in 2031. These policies imply COVID will be eradicated, which it will not be. Significant disruptions of children's education for little benefit.

You're forgetting these policies do provide the benefit to closed school activists of avoiding cognitive dissonance from the significant harm these closed school policies they advocated for inflicted on children (they're still advocating for closed schools as they want healthy children to be out of school).

No one is advocating for “closed schools”, nut job.

Vaccinate*, mask, test.

*kids soon too!

Why do these things for something a fraction less deadly to children than H1N1?

Because there isn't an H1N1 pandemic.

0 logic. We didn't do them in 2009-2010 when the H1N1 pandemic occurred

It wasn't a pandemic.

I apologize. I'm mistaken. It was technically a pandemic.

But we had a vastly superior response and were much better prepared to respond. And most people recovered without medical treatment and our hospitals and healthcare systems weren't as overloaded as they have been with the big waves of COVID. It also did not endure at severe levels for as long. We did not have inept federal leadership and did not politicize the illness or the policies in responding to it. It didn't develop into multiple variants and outpace the medical community's ability to track, understand, and develop treatment.

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Anonymous wrote:All of you objecting to asymptomatic testing, don't you remember when we had children do asymptomatic testing for the swine flu in 2009-2010, causing tons of healthy kids who were close contact to miss school? Oh yeah, neither do I.

The Swine flu is estimated to have killed 3x to 4x more kids on an annual basis than COVID (CDC had to estimate because they weren't testing people like crazy):
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa/swine-flu-has-killed-up-to-17000-in-u-s-report-idUSN1223579720100212

Flu is also often transmitted asymptomatically:
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/asymptomatic-influenza-infection-rates-deserve-more-attention

Stop asking such logical questions! Pfizer just announced that they could not directly test the efficacy of the vaccine in the trial they just conducted because of how rarely children 5-11 become seriously ill with COVID.

That is why I did not sign my children up for asymptomatic screening. This nonsense has to stop.

“Nonsense”? JFC.

Yes, when a recent flu SIGNIFICANTLY more dangerous to children did not result in any asymptomatic testing, forced masking and other restrictive rules, the only logical explanation is pure hysteria.

H1N1 is still here too, just like COVID will be in 2031. These policies imply COVID will be eradicated, which it will not be. Significant disruptions of children's education for little benefit.

You're forgetting these policies do provide the benefit to closed school activists of avoiding cognitive dissonance from the significant harm these closed school policies they advocated for inflicted on children (they're still advocating for closed schools as they want healthy children to be out of school).

No one is advocating for “closed schools”, nut job.

Vaccinate*, mask, test.

*kids soon too!

Why do these things for something a fraction less deadly to children than H1N1?

Wait. Are you going to vaccinate your kids - or not?

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Anonymous wrote:All of you objecting to asymptomatic testing, don't you remember when we had children do asymptomatic testing for the swine flu in 2009-2010, causing tons of healthy kids who were close contact to miss school? Oh yeah, neither do I.

The Swine flu is estimated to have killed 3x to 4x more kids on an annual basis than COVID (CDC had to estimate because they weren't testing people like crazy):
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa/swine-flu-has-killed-up-to-17000-in-u-s-report-idUSN1223579720100212

Flu is also often transmitted asymptomatically:
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/asymptomatic-influenza-infection-rates-deserve-more-attention

Stop asking such logical questions! Pfizer just announced that they could not directly test the efficacy of the vaccine in the trial they just conducted because of how rarely children 5-11 become seriously ill with COVID.

That is why I did not sign my children up for asymptomatic screening. This nonsense has to stop.

“Nonsense”? JFC.

Yes, when a recent flu SIGNIFICANTLY more dangerous to children did not result in any asymptomatic testing, forced masking and other restrictive rules, the only logical explanation is pure hysteria.

H1N1 is still here too, just like COVID will be in 2031. These policies imply COVID will be eradicated, which it will not be. Significant disruptions of children's education for little benefit.

You're forgetting these policies do provide the benefit to closed school activists of avoiding cognitive dissonance from the significant harm these closed school policies they advocated for inflicted on children (they're still advocating for closed schools as they want healthy children to be out of school).

No one is advocating for “closed schools”, nut job.

Vaccinate*, mask, test.

*kids soon too!

Why do these things for something a fraction less deadly to children than H1N1?

Because there isn't an H1N1 pandemic.

0 logic. We didn't do them in 2009-2010 when the H1N1 pandemic occurred

It wasn't a pandemic.

I apologize. I'm mistaken. It was technically a pandemic.

But we had a vastly superior response and were much better prepared to respond. And most people recovered without medical treatment and our hospitals and healthcare systems weren't as overloaded as they have been with the big waves of COVID. It also did not endure at severe levels for as long. We did not have inept federal leadership and did not politicize the illness or the policies in responding to it. It didn't develop into multiple variants and outpace the medical community's ability to track, understand, and develop treatment.

And, there wasn't the significant asymptomatic spread issue COVID has had. People who got H1N1 got sick, stayed home, went to their doctors, got treatment. When necessary, schools shut down quickly and social distancing measures were implemented and followed --- all a consistent cooperation unlike that which people have shown and continue to show in response to COVID.

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Are we talking 1918 or 2009 H1N1?

[Anonymous]

Here is Michael Osterholm, an american epidemiologist who was the principal investigator and director of the NHI-supported Minnesota Center of Excellence for Influenze Research and Surveillance from 2007-14 and a current member of Joe Biden's covid-19 advisory board, two weeks ago on his Covid podcast looking at early September numbers on kid rates of Covid infection and death from Delta:

Chris Dall: [00:40:06] So now on schools, we've been discussing your concerns about schools in recent weeks, and at this point, most K-12 and college students across the country are fully back in school. Are we getting any indications yet of what we might see in the coming weeks?

Michael Osterholm: [00:40:23] We are getting an indication, and it is not pretty. Not at all. According to the latest report from the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children's Hospital Association. There were nearly 252,000 cases in children aged zero to 17 during the week of August 27th to September 2nd. That's by far the highest number of weekly cases and kids we've reported to date, shattering the previous record set in mid-January by more than 40,000 cases. It also means that more than one in four U.S. cases that week was detected in kids. This is the challenge that I worry that far too many people in our educational system and parents do not understand. Let me just provide an update on the current number of deaths reported in the United States. According to the American Pediatrics this week, there have been 444 total COVID deaths in children since the start of the pandemic. If we look at that number for the last year, in particular from September 3rd, 2020 to September 2nd 2021 in that one year span, there were 341 deaths. A total of 66 of those annual deaths, almost 20% occurred in just the past three weeks. Think of that: 20% of the [pediatric] deaths in the last year have occurred just in the last three weeks.

This is indicative of what Delta is doing. This is why it is so urgent for us to address transmission in kids in schools and to understand that this is a different virus with regard to what happens to kids, and we can't rely on those old data. Last year's data looks very much like potentially a bad flu year. I can fully support that. We should be doing for schools and children with that kind of a picture, as we do each year with flu. We're in a different setting. This is a different ball game. This is a different virus. Unfortunately, pre-Delta data tells us nothing about where we're at right now with children and the idea that we could actually have the kind of control measures put in place that have been recommended by the CDC is simply, I think, irresponsible in terms of understanding what a safe school is today. We can't make a safe school. Parents, do not for a moment minimize that. Administrators, please don't. In public health, please don't. We can make schools safer. We can definitely do that and we should and we must. But we got to stop telling people we can make them safe because we can't.

And from the most recent podcast this last week:

There have been 341 new admissions in children this week, 4.5 new admissions per 100,000 population, similar to what we saw on September 11th. There are surely a lot of regional variation right now in the data. Health and Human Services Region four, which includes Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee, has been hit the hardest, coming down from a peak two weeks ago, where they saw 1.1 new hospital admissions in children per 100,000 population and is currently seeing new admissions at about 0.95 per 100,000 population, a slight decrease. This is a figure which is a very sobering one. It's hard for me to even talk about it, and I think anyone on this podcast will understand that. In the past year, from September 10th, 2020 to September 9th 2021, there were 355 deaths in kids zero to seventeen, 355. However, 82 or 23% have occurred in just the last month. That's up from 20% last week. The number of deaths in kids have now reached a range that far exceeds anything we see with even a severe influenza season. We are really in uncharted territories here.

From the transcripts to the podcasts; podcasts are linked here: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars

This is a nationally recognized epidemiologist specializing in influenza viruses saying that current effects on children seen from Delta far exceed what you see from a flu and who presided over an arm of the NIH during H1N1 in the aughts and 2010s. So please stop comparing this to those things. This ain't that.

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The H1N1/swine flu was much, much less deadly than Covid. H1N1 infected 6 million people in the US and killed just 12.5K people altogether, for a mortality rate of 0.02% across the whole population. H1N1 killed about 600K people WORLDWIDE, whereas that is how many people it has killed so far in the US alone. Different viruses.

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Anonymous wrote:The H1N1/swine flu was much, much less deadly than Covid. H1N1 infected 6 million people in the US and killed just 12.5K people altogether, for a mortality rate of 0.02% across the whole population. H1N1 killed about 600K people WORLDWIDE, whereas that is how many people it has killed so far in the US alone. Different viruses.

Not to children. It was much deadlier to children (1,800 children estimated in US for H1N1 in 2009-201 vs. 198 for COVID in 2020, 241 in 2021).

All of these regulations are absurd for children at this point, when you compare COVID to H1N1 or other bad flu seasons (434 est. for 2019-2020, 477 for 2018-2019, 643 for 2017-2018, 803 for 2014-2015, 1,161 for 2012-2013).
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

So children have to be the sole bearer of the burden of COVID regulations, a disease that barely affects them? There are 3 vaccines available for the rest of the population.

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Why do these things for something a fraction less deadly to children than H1N1?

Wait. Are you going to vaccinate your kids - or not?

No, not for a few years since it's disease that does not affect them and it's a new medical treatment that we don't know the long-term effects of (considering it will have just been released - no amount of tests can simulate years of data). I'll let your kids be the medical test subjects, considering you'll be there with them the morning they're eligible (even though they'll have more risk on the car ride to get the vaccinate than they ever did with COVID).

The vast majority of kids under 12 won't get vaccinated anytime soon in the United States, even once it's approved. How do I know? Only a minority of 12 to 15 year olds in the United States have been vaccinated. The UK is not going to approve vaccination for that age group, and their medical panel recommended to not do so for 12-15 year olds because of how small the risk of COVID is to them.

But I can't wait until it gets approved for 5 to 11 year olds because there's no longer any excuse for any of these restrictions then. Not for a disease that will be here forever. There is already none, but this defeats the last argument of the "COVID is going to kill everyone" crowd.

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And, there wasn't the significant asymptomatic spread issue COVID has had. People who got H1N1 got sick, stayed home, went to their doctors, got treatment. When necessary, schools shut down quickly and social distancing measures were implemented and followed --- all a consistent cooperation unlike that which people have shown and continue to show in response to COVID.

The flu has significant asymptomatic spread. "As many as 50% of infections with normal seasonal flu may be asymptomatic, which may in part be due to pre-existing partial immunity"
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/cbn/2005/cbnreport_103105.html

Social distancing measures were implemented? I lived through 2009-2010 (it was recent) and have 0 memory of that.

[Anonymous]

The stories on AEM about ResourcePath messes are not inspiring confidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is Michael Osterholm, an american epidemiologist who was the principal investigator and director of the NHI-supported Minnesota Center of Excellence for Influenze Research and Surveillance from 2007-14 and a current member of Joe Biden's covid-19 advisory board, two weeks ago on his Covid podcast looking at early September numbers on kid rates of Covid infection and death from Delta:

Chris Dall: [00:40:06] So now on schools, we've been discussing your concerns about schools in recent weeks, and at this point, most K-12 and college students across the country are fully back in school. Are we getting any indications yet of what we might see in the coming weeks?

Michael Osterholm: [00:40:23] We are getting an indication, and it is not pretty. Not at all. According to the latest report from the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children's Hospital Association. There were nearly 252,000 cases in children aged zero to 17 during the week of August 27th to September 2nd. That's by far the highest number of weekly cases and kids we've reported to date, shattering the previous record set in mid-January by more than 40,000 cases. It also means that more than one in four U.S. cases that week was detected in kids. This is the challenge that I worry that far too many people in our educational system and parents do not understand. Let me just provide an update on the current number of deaths reported in the United States. According to the American Pediatrics this week, there have been 444 total COVID deaths in children since the start of the pandemic. If we look at that number for the last year, in particular from September 3rd, 2020 to September 2nd 2021 in that one year span, there were 341 deaths. A total of 66 of those annual deaths, almost 20% occurred in just the past three weeks. Think of that: 20% of the [pediatric] deaths in the last year have occurred just in the last three weeks.

This is indicative of what Delta is doing. This is why it is so urgent for us to address transmission in kids in schools and to understand that this is a different virus with regard to what happens to kids, and we can't rely on those old data. Last year's data looks very much like potentially a bad flu year. I can fully support that. We should be doing for schools and children with that kind of a picture, as we do each year with flu. We're in a different setting. This is a different ball game. This is a different virus. Unfortunately, pre-Delta data tells us nothing about where we're at right now with children and the idea that we could actually have the kind of control measures put in place that have been recommended by the CDC is simply, I think, irresponsible in terms of understanding what a safe school is today. We can't make a safe school. Parents, do not for a moment minimize that. Administrators, please don't. In public health, please don't. We can make schools safer. We can definitely do that and we should and we must. But we got to stop telling people we can make them safe because we can't.

And from the most recent podcast this last week:

There have been 341 new admissions in children this week, 4.5 new admissions per 100,000 population, similar to what we saw on September 11th. There are surely a lot of regional variation right now in the data. Health and Human Services Region four, which includes Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee, has been hit the hardest, coming down from a peak two weeks ago, where they saw 1.1 new hospital admissions in children per 100,000 population and is currently seeing new admissions at about 0.95 per 100,000 population, a slight decrease. This is a figure which is a very sobering one. It's hard for me to even talk about it, and I think anyone on this podcast will understand that. In the past year, from September 10th, 2020 to September 9th 2021, there were 355 deaths in kids zero to seventeen, 355. However, 82 or 23% have occurred in just the last month. That's up from 20% last week. The number of deaths in kids have now reached a range that far exceeds anything we see with even a severe influenza season. We are really in uncharted territories here.

From the transcripts to the podcasts; podcasts are linked here: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars

This is a nationally recognized epidemiologist specializing in influenza viruses saying that current effects on children seen from Delta far exceed what you see from a flu and who presided over an arm of the NIH during H1N1 in the aughts and 2010s. So please stop comparing this to those things. This ain't that.

Hospitalizations "with" COVID are vastly overcounted as everyone gets tested for COVID who gets hospitalized, unlike the flu:
https://t.co/YWBEYbdmKm?amp=1

Michael Osterholm?!? He's one of the biggest doomers around. Who are you citing next? Eric Ding?!?

RSV is surging in the South. If a kid tests positive for both, it gets tagged as a COVID hospitalization. And the South has a largely unvaccinated adult population - we have one of the highest vaccination rates in the country.

Rachelle Walensky just said COVID is only more contagious, not more virulent.

And see post above on COVID vs. flu deaths in kids. They're not even close. And the US will is predicted to hit its peak in 2 weeks (the South is already going down).

I remember Freedom Day in the UK in July, when your favorite scientists said COVID was going to explode. It didn't and cases went down. Kids are maskless in school, as they have been the entire pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:The H1N1/swine flu was much, much less deadly than Covid. H1N1 infected 6 million people in the US and killed just 12.5K people altogether, for a mortality rate of 0.02% across the whole population. H1N1 killed about 600K people WORLDWIDE, whereas that is how many people it has killed so far in the US alone. Different viruses.

Not to children. It was much deadlier to children (1,800 children estimated in US for H1N1 in 2009-201 vs. 198 for COVID in 2020, 241 in 2021).

All of these regulations are absurd for children at this point, when you compare COVID to H1N1 or other bad flu seasons (434 est. for 2019-2020, 477 for 2018-2019, 643 for 2017-2018, 803 for 2014-2015, 1,161 for 2012-2013).
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

So children have to be the sole bearer of the burden of COVID regulations, a disease that barely affects them? There are 3 vaccines available for the rest of the population.

But now Delta is killing kids at a rate of 22 per week, which exceeds the h1n1 rate. But people like you still want to unmask and keep acting like everything is normal when everyone should be doing their best to just kill it off with fire before it mutates again.

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Anonymous wrote:The stories on AEM about ResourcePath messes are not inspiring confidence.

Such as?

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Why do these things for something a fraction less deadly to children than H1N1?

Wait. Are you going to vaccinate your kids - or not?

No, not for a few years since it's disease that does not affect them and it's a new medical treatment that we don't know the long-term effects of (considering it will have just been released - no amount of tests can simulate years of data). I'll let your kids be the medical test subjects, considering you'll be there with them the morning they're eligible (even though they'll have more risk on the car ride to get the vaccinate than they ever did with COVID).

The vast majority of kids under 12 won't get vaccinated anytime soon in the United States, even once it's approved. How do I know? Only a minority of 12 to 15 year olds in the United States have been vaccinated. The UK is not going to approve vaccination for that age group, and their medical panel recommended to not do so for 12-15 year olds because of how small the risk of COVID is to them.

But I can't wait until it gets approved for 5 to 11 year olds because there's no longer any excuse for any of these restrictions then. Not for a disease that will be here forever. There is already none, but this defeats the last argument of the "COVID is going to kill everyone" crowd.

Careful. You sounded like that bike nut who starts inane threads to not-so-subtly push her agenda.