Have you sign-up for weekly asymptomatic testing at APS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The H1N1/swine flu was much, much less deadly than Covid. H1N1 infected 6 million people in the US and killed just 12.5K people altogether, for a mortality rate of 0.02% across the whole population. H1N1 killed about 600K people WORLDWIDE, whereas that is how many people it has killed so far in the US alone. Different viruses.

Not to children. It was much deadlier to children (1,800 children estimated in US for H1N1 in 2009-201 vs. 198 for COVID in 2020, 241 in 2021).

All of these regulations are absurd for children at this point, when you compare COVID to H1N1 or other bad flu seasons (434 est. for 2019-2020, 477 for 2018-2019, 643 for 2017-2018, 803 for 2014-2015, 1,161 for 2012-2013).
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

So children have to be the sole bearer of the burden of COVID regulations, a disease that barely affects them? There are 3 vaccines available for the rest of the population.

But now Delta is killing kids at a rate of 22 per week, which exceeds the h1n1 rate. But people like you still want to unmask and keep acting like everything is normal when everyone should be doing their best to just kill it off with fire before it mutates again.

"Kill it off"?!? COVID will be here forever. It's not being eradicated. Tell me you don't know about COVID without telling you don't know about COVID.

It is not killing 22 healthy kids per week. It's not happening. And H1N1 would have been at a much higher rate, just by doing simple math of 1,800 deaths divided by weeks in a year (which would have been much higher rate than weeks in a year because the flu season is much more seasonal related to weather)

Where are you every flu season when these deaths are occurring? 900 kids died of drowning in 2018 (with all of the precautions already taken).

Please come talk to me in 10 years when you realize you got completely caught up in hysteria.

[Anonymous]

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Why do these things for something a fraction less deadly to children than H1N1?

Wait. Are you going to vaccinate your kids - or not?

No, not for a few years since it's disease that does not affect them and it's a new medical treatment that we don't know the long-term effects of (considering it will have just been released - no amount of tests can simulate years of data). I'll let your kids be the medical test subjects, considering you'll be there with them the morning they're eligible (even though they'll have more risk on the car ride to get the vaccinate than they ever did with COVID).

The vast majority of kids under 12 won't get vaccinated anytime soon in the United States, even once it's approved. How do I know? Only a minority of 12 to 15 year olds in the United States have been vaccinated. The UK is not going to approve vaccination for that age group, and their medical panel recommended to not do so for 12-15 year olds because of how small the risk of COVID is to them.

But I can't wait until it gets approved for 5 to 11 year olds because there's no longer any excuse for any of these restrictions then. Not for a disease that will be here forever. There is already none, but this defeats the last argument of the "COVID is going to kill everyone" crowd.

Careful. You sounded like that bike nut who starts inane threads to not-so-subtly push her agenda.

She had COVID, saw it was nothing (like it is for the vast majority of non-obese, people under 50, and especially people under 30) and sees simple statistics now. She's only stating the facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The stories on AEM about ResourcePath messes are not inspiring confidence.

Such as?

Tests with inconclusive results, not sending negative results even though parents need them to get their kids out of quarantine, administering screening tests to kids without parental consent forms (APS shares the blame for this), telling parents over the phone they would email results and then not doing so, reporting results to parents before they have physician sign off, having one-on-one calls with parents about testing methods that contradict APS guidance (APS shares blame for this too), etc. I have no doubt they’ve undertaken an enormous task, but between APS and ResourcePath, I don’t have confidence in the surveillance testing process as implemented.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The H1N1/swine flu was much, much less deadly than Covid. H1N1 infected 6 million people in the US and killed just 12.5K people altogether, for a mortality rate of 0.02% across the whole population. H1N1 killed about 600K people WORLDWIDE, whereas that is how many people it has killed so far in the US alone. Different viruses.

Not to children. It was much deadlier to children (1,800 children estimated in US for H1N1 in 2009-201 vs. 198 for COVID in 2020, 241 in 2021).

All of these regulations are absurd for children at this point, when you compare COVID to H1N1 or other bad flu seasons (434 est. for 2019-2020, 477 for 2018-2019, 643 for 2017-2018, 803 for 2014-2015, 1,161 for 2012-2013).
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

So children have to be the sole bearer of the burden of COVID regulations, a disease that barely affects them? There are 3 vaccines available for the rest of the population.

You're so ignorant. You just can't, or won't, accept that children are at greater risk now with: the Delta variant, and other adults and teens vaccinated. The Delta variant is more highly and easily transmissible and it and children ARE being hospitalized and some ARE dying. And if you don't stop the spread, MORE children will get the virus, which means more children will have significant illness and/or need hospitalization and/or die. The other poster you're debating with is correct: today's situation and variables are NOT the same as one year ago.

[Anonymous]

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And, there wasn't the significant asymptomatic spread issue COVID has had. People who got H1N1 got sick, stayed home, went to their doctors, got treatment. When necessary, schools shut down quickly and social distancing measures were implemented and followed --- all a consistent cooperation unlike that which people have shown and continue to show in response to COVID.

The flu has significant asymptomatic spread. "As many as 50% of infections with normal seasonal flu may be asymptomatic, which may in part be due to pre-existing partial immunity"
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/cbn/2005/cbnreport_103105.html

Social distancing measures were implemented? I lived through 2009-2010 (it was recent) and have 0 memory of that.

Read the reports on the pandemic. It may not have hit hard enough here to shut down schools; but it did elsewhere. Just because you dont remember something doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Why do these things for something a fraction less deadly to children than H1N1?

Wait. Are you going to vaccinate your kids - or not?

No, not for a few years since it's disease that does not affect them and it's a new medical treatment that we don't know the long-term effects of (considering it will have just been released - no amount of tests can simulate years of data). I'll let your kids be the medical test subjects, considering you'll be there with them the morning they're eligible (even though they'll have more risk on the car ride to get the vaccinate than they ever did with COVID).

The vast majority of kids under 12 won't get vaccinated anytime soon in the United States, even once it's approved. How do I know? Only a minority of 12 to 15 year olds in the United States have been vaccinated. The UK is not going to approve vaccination for that age group, and their medical panel recommended to not do so for 12-15 year olds because of how small the risk of COVID is to them.

But I can't wait until it gets approved for 5 to 11 year olds because there's no longer any excuse for any of these restrictions then. Not for a disease that will be here forever. There is already none, but this defeats the last argument of the "COVID is going to kill everyone" crowd.

Careful. You sounded like that bike nut who starts inane threads to not-so-subtly push her agenda.

She had COVID, saw it was nothing (like it is for the vast majority of non-obese, people under 50, and especially people under 30) and sees simple statistics now. She's only stating the facts.

Facts about covid or why cars should be banned?

Either way, if she draws conclusions about public health based on her individual experience that just shows how she doesn’t understand data or the bigger picture.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The H1N1/swine flu was much, much less deadly than Covid. H1N1 infected 6 million people in the US and killed just 12.5K people altogether, for a mortality rate of 0.02% across the whole population. H1N1 killed about 600K people WORLDWIDE, whereas that is how many people it has killed so far in the US alone. Different viruses.

Not to children. It was much deadlier to children (1,800 children estimated in US for H1N1 in 2009-201 vs. 198 for COVID in 2020, 241 in 2021).

All of these regulations are absurd for children at this point, when you compare COVID to H1N1 or other bad flu seasons (434 est. for 2019-2020, 477 for 2018-2019, 643 for 2017-2018, 803 for 2014-2015, 1,161 for 2012-2013).
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

So children have to be the sole bearer of the burden of COVID regulations, a disease that barely affects them? There are 3 vaccines available for the rest of the population.

You're so ignorant. You just can't, or won't, accept that children are at greater risk now with: the Delta variant, and other adults and teens vaccinated. The Delta variant is more highly and easily transmissible and it and children ARE being hospitalized and some ARE dying. And if you don't stop the spread, MORE children will get the virus, which means more children will have significant illness and/or need hospitalization and/or die. The other poster you're debating with is correct: today's situation and variables are NOT the same as one year ago.

This is a religion to you, no matter what the facts. Why?

There are a total of 20 hospitalizations of children "with" COVID in the entire state of VA right now (check CDC data). Considering that easily over 1/2 of those hospitalizations could be for other causes, let's say 10 "for" COVID. How many of those kids likely have other significant comorbidities? 10 out of 10.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

She had COVID, saw it was nothing (like it is for the vast majority of non-obese, people under 50, and especially people under 30) and sees simple statistics now. She's only stating the facts.

Facts about covid or why cars should be banned?

Either way, if she draws conclusions about public health based on her individual experience that just shows how she doesn’t understand data or the bigger picture.

She has joined Team Reality. She's able to look beyond the irrational fearmongering that is really only going on in a few deep blue areas in the United States, mainly on the East and West Coasts. Life has returned to normal in much of the United States, and even with many people here (see Clarendon on weekends or any sports field in Arlington on the weekends).

[Anonymous]

Life has returned to normal here.


Totally normal to advocate against testing and against masks when people are dying at higher rates than ever due to Delta surge. So so normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

She had COVID, saw it was nothing (like it is for the vast majority of non-obese, people under 50, and especially people under 30) and sees simple statistics now. She's only stating the facts.

Facts about covid or why cars should be banned?

Either way, if she draws conclusions about public health based on her individual experience that just shows how she doesn’t understand data or the bigger picture.

She has joined Team Reality. She's able to look beyond the irrational fearmongering that is really only going on in a few deep blue areas in the United States, mainly on the East and West Coasts. Life has returned to normal in much of the United States, and even with many people here (see Clarendon on weekends or any sports field in Arlington on the weekends).

Since you know a lot about her…

Is she anti-vaccinate? Anti-mask? Anti-test?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Life has returned to normal here.


Totally normal to advocate against testing and against masks when people are dying at higher rates than ever due to Delta surge. So so normal.

There are 3 vaccines available for adults for 6+ months now. Adults should get vaccinated.

CDC data showed the average age of a death "with COVID" in the US was 78 (and average of death for all causes in US is 78.5). 2.9 comorbidities, on average, were present. Probably 40%+ were from nursing home residents.

COVID is not going away. You seem to believe in Zero COVID, which is factually never going to happen.

Can you show a random control trial (i.e., a real scientific study) where it shows cloth masks or surgical masks work for kids or anyone under 40? No, because there's not one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Life has returned to normal here.

Totally normal to advocate against testing and against masks when people are dying at higher rates than ever due to Delta surge. So so normal.

You are completely incapable of nuance. You know what's driving this horrible death toll? Far right conservatives who spread misinformation and don't enforce vaccine and mask mandates. They are the poison and all of the asymptomatic testing in the world will not stop Delta from spreading.

APS requires masks, vaccines, and tests for any symptoms--so pull yourself together and stop implying that children are the cause of wild spread. You need to get off the APS page and start advocating for measures that will actually make a difference.

[Anonymous]

I dunno, PP just above you, ostensibly on your side, is up there professing that masks don't work and shouldn't be required. So who's spreading disinformation, exactly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I dunno, PP just above you, ostensibly on your side, is up there professing that masks don't work and shouldn't be required. So who's spreading disinformation, exactly?

Once again, a total lack of perspective. Get a brain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I dunno, PP just above you, ostensibly on your side, is up there professing that masks don't work and shouldn't be required. So who's spreading disinformation, exactly?

It's okay to have civil discussions about the effectiveness of masks--it's really not black and white. Just like covid itself, research is always changing. I personally believe that masks work, and so does APS. That being said, I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning how long children will need to wear masks when covid becomes endemic. We need to have these discussions and appreciate that science is not always clear.

That is very different from adults who are actually ripping masks of teachers, refusing to wear them indoors, or, even worse, the politicans who are legally preventing businesses from requiring masks.