Josh Duggar arrested and in federal custody

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP EXACTLY.

I’m sick with the people who say “she had a choice to leave”...even with her brother, she didn’t have a choice. She’s been so brainwashed.

She’s a grown woman, yes, but she’s seriously disturbed due to her upbringing. People are being so cruel about HER and it makes me sad!

If she is so impaired that she is unable to protect her children, she should not have custody.

Well by that point either should JimBob or Michelle and they made a SHOW about them.

They make shows about axe murderers. How is that relevant?

Um, not while the person is actively axe murdering someone and the production crew stands by and watches. Do you really not see the difference?

The TV industry makes shows about unsavory people all the time. Do you really think most reality TV shows feature quality, high functioning individuals worthy of emulation?

Whether a woman should have custody of her kids has nothing to do with who gets TV shows made about them.

[Anonymous]

I haven’t read the entire thread, but Josh Duggar is a disgusting animal that needs to be put in prison for as long as the law allows. As a victim of child sexual abuse by a close family member, I am acutely aware of the pain and destruction this causes, and it’s a pain you can’t really get over. You can deal with it through therapy and make some sense of it over time if you receive the right help, but many children never get that help. Ever. I know it’s controversial, but imo I’d like to see people who sexually abuse kids go to jail for life. They cannot be rehabilitated.

Although I do not know details, in some churches, Anna would need a biblical cause for divorce and her church elders/bishops/deacons to examine her marriage and apply biblical wisdom to her marriage and then tell her she’s good to divorce her spouse. In a church I attended a few years ago, that was the deal. A woman whose husband left her wanted a divorce and she and her spouse had to have some conversations with the church leadership. The guy even wanted to continue the marriage after a while, she decided hell no, and the leaders said get your divorce with a clear conscience. This guy had been shacked up with another woman, decided he wanted to come back to his marriage, and the wife was like, f you. I was pretty surprised the elders said get your divorce, I thought they’d tell the wife to take him back.

There is no way Anna can continue in their marriage. She has to choose her kids over this absolutely disgusting monster, now. I know a lot of women like Anna. She has very different values from the people posting here and she’s in shock and denial right now. I am sure everyone around her is no help. She’s pregnant and has a billion kids already and no way to support them. Her entire life was wrapped up in her husband. In the coming days and weeks, she’s going to have to have some very hard conversations with people who will be advocating for the kids and she is going to realize she will have to cut that sorry sack of shit lose. If she doesn’t, she will lose custody.

[Anonymous]

Also, a lot of people who sexually abuse children were sexually abused themselves. It’s a nightmare cycle. It is not a defense to Josh Duggar’s actions, he should go to jail and never be near another child again. But there is a very good chance Josh was sexually abused when he was a child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t he the only kid who got his own room when they built their new house?

And wasn’t the giant girls’ room built so you had to walk through the parents bedroom to get there? I remember another episode where Michelle explained tha only the girls had the password to the internet. The boys weren’t allowed to have it. Michelle must have known at that time Josh was abusing his sisters and watching porn online.

Neither of those are sufficient safeguards if there’s a predator in the home.

My grandmother’s husband abused me in her immediate presence. I think my parents thought my brother being there would be a deterrent. Nope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the entire thread, but Josh Duggar is a disgusting animal that needs to be put in prison for as long as the law allows. As a victim of child sexual abuse by a close family member, I am acutely aware of the pain and destruction this causes, and it’s a pain you can’t really get over. You can deal with it through therapy and make some sense of it over time if you receive the right help, but many children never get that help. Ever. I know it’s controversial, but imo I’d like to see people who sexually abuse kids go to jail for life. They cannot be rehabilitated.

Although I do not know details, in some churches, Anna would need a biblical cause for divorce and her church elders/bishops/deacons to examine her marriage and apply biblical wisdom to her marriage and then tell her she’s good to divorce her spouse. In a church I attended a few years ago, that was the deal. A woman whose husband left her wanted a divorce and she and her spouse had to have some conversations with the church leadership. The guy even wanted to continue the marriage after a while, she decided hell no, and the leaders said get your divorce with a clear conscience. This guy had been shacked up with another woman, decided he wanted to come back to his marriage, and the wife was like, f you. I was pretty surprised the elders said get your divorce, I thought they’d tell the wife to take him back.

There is no way Anna can continue in their marriage. She has to choose her kids over this absolutely disgusting monster, now. I know a lot of women like Anna. She has very different values from the people posting here and she’s in shock and denial right now. I am sure everyone around her is no help. She’s pregnant and has a billion kids already and no way to support them. Her entire life was wrapped up in her husband. In the coming days and weeks, she’s going to have to have some very hard conversations with people who will be advocating for the kids and she is going to realize she will have to cut that sorry sack of shit lose. If she doesn’t, she will lose custody.

If he is in prison/jail and has no contact with the kids, he is not a danger to them. They won't take custody away from her if she is not giving him access to the kids (and if he's locked up, there is no way she even could.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, a lot of people who sexually abuse children were sexually abused themselves. It’s a nightmare cycle. It is not a defense to Josh Duggar’s actions, he should go to jail and never be near another child again. But there is a very good chance Josh was sexually abused when he was a child.

People keep posting this on this thread and while true, it's irrelevant. In isolated families, with more than just one child, sexual exploration can sometimes happen with siblings instead of with other children. It is wrong, but it's not the same as "normal" sexual abuse. It's situational, in part. For example, it's rampant in many Amish families.

Josh, however, continued his abusive behavior after he started to live in a larger community and in adulthood. He has shown himself to be a criminal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was reading more about what, if anything had been done after he molested his sisters and found this gem.

Upon returning home, Josh "apologized" to the female minors and they had "forgiven" him. In the report, one of the interviewed victims says that Josh "sought after God and had turned back to God." Josh was also taken to talk to Joseph Hutchens, an Arkansas State Trooper and friend of the family. Hutchens gave Josh "a very stern talk", but, despite being a mandated reporter, took no further action. Hutchens was later arrested and convicted of child pornography, and is serving a fifty-six year prison sentence.

https://fundamentalists.fandom.com/wiki/Josh_Duggar_Molestation_Scandal

So much failure on so many levels.

If this is the community Anna was raised in why are people surprised she didn’t do anything? Why would she think turning to an authority, church or secular, would matter?

The post you are responding to was about Josh, not Anna.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, a lot of people who sexually abuse children were sexually abused themselves. It’s a nightmare cycle. It is not a defense to Josh Duggar’s actions, he should go to jail and never be near another child again. But there is a very good chance Josh was sexually abused when he was a child.

People keep posting this on this thread and while true, it's irrelevant. In isolated families, with more than just one child, sexual exploration can sometimes happen with siblings instead of with other children. It is wrong, but it's not the same as "normal" sexual abuse. It's situational, in part. For example, it's rampant in many Amish families.

Josh, however, continued his abusive behavior after he started to live in a larger community and in adulthood. He has shown himself to be a criminal.

We don’t know if an older man or woman abused him when he was a child. He could have been molested or even raped by an older man or woman when he was a kid, and that has in part caused what he is doing now. It’s not an “excuse” and he should go to jail and never be alone with any child again. Childhood sexual abuse is a hidden and ignored issue. Kids do not tell. Kids tell and are ignored. Kids tell and their parents decide to “deal with it” outside of the legal realm to save embarrassment to the family. Some parents just don’t care. It’s ugly af. But even if Josh was sexually abused as a kid by an adult, that’s not a defense or excuse. It’s good he will now (too damn late) face consequences. Although his mug shot was enough to make me hurl, and we don’t know if he was sexually abused as a kid, it’s gross to be “happy” about this. I feel very sorry for the kids that were abused to provide him his twisted and criminal and abhorrent “entertainment,” and his own kids, who effectively have ruined childhoods no doubt from their dad being a predator. It’s just gross and sad all around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, a lot of people who sexually abuse children were sexually abused themselves. It’s a nightmare cycle. It is not a defense to Josh Duggar’s actions, he should go to jail and never be near another child again. But there is a very good chance Josh was sexually abused when he was a child.

People keep posting this on this thread and while true, it's irrelevant. In isolated families, with more than just one child, sexual exploration can sometimes happen with siblings instead of with other children. It is wrong, but it's not the same as "normal" sexual abuse. It's situational, in part. For example, it's rampant in many Amish families.

Josh, however, continued his abusive behavior after he started to live in a larger community and in adulthood. He has shown himself to be a criminal.

We don’t know if an older man or woman abused him when he was a child. He could have been molested or even raped by an older man or woman when he was a kid, and that has in part caused what he is doing now. It’s not an “excuse” and he should go to jail and never be alone with any child again. Childhood sexual abuse is a hidden and ignored issue. Kids do not tell. Kids tell and are ignored. Kids tell and their parents decide to “deal with it” outside of the legal realm to save embarrassment to the family. Some parents just don’t care. It’s ugly af. But even if Josh was sexually abused as a kid by an adult, that’s not a defense or excuse. It’s good he will now (too damn late) face consequences. Although his mug shot was enough to make me hurl, and we don’t know if he was sexually abused as a kid, it’s gross to be “happy” about this. I feel very sorry for the kids that were abused to provide him his twisted and criminal and abhorrent “entertainment,” and his own kids, who effectively have ruined childhoods no doubt from their dad being a predator. It’s just gross and sad all around.

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Abuse - sexual, physical, emotional - is almost always cyclical. it's so hard to break the cycle and therefore gets "passed on" to the next generation.

Not condoning Josh at all, but I'm betting he was a victim himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, a lot of people who sexually abuse children were sexually abused themselves. It’s a nightmare cycle. It is not a defense to Josh Duggar’s actions, he should go to jail and never be near another child again. But there is a very good chance Josh was sexually abused when he was a child.

People keep posting this on this thread and while true, it's irrelevant. In isolated families, with more than just one child, sexual exploration can sometimes happen with siblings instead of with other children. It is wrong, but it's not the same as "normal" sexual abuse. It's situational, in part. For example, it's rampant in many Amish families.

Josh, however, continued his abusive behavior after he started to live in a larger community and in adulthood. He has shown himself to be a criminal.

We don’t know if an older man or woman abused him when he was a child. He could have been molested or even raped by an older man or woman when he was a kid, and that has in part caused what he is doing now. It’s not an “excuse” and he should go to jail and never be alone with any child again. Childhood sexual abuse is a hidden and ignored issue. Kids do not tell. Kids tell and are ignored. Kids tell and their parents decide to “deal with it” outside of the legal realm to save embarrassment to the family. Some parents just don’t care. It’s ugly af. But even if Josh was sexually abused as a kid by an adult, that’s not a defense or excuse. It’s good he will now (too damn late) face consequences. Although his mug shot was enough to make me hurl, and we don’t know if he was sexually abused as a kid, it’s gross to be “happy” about this. I feel very sorry for the kids that were abused to provide him his twisted and criminal and abhorrent “entertainment,” and his own kids, who effectively have ruined childhoods no doubt from their dad being a predator. It’s just gross and sad all around.

+1
Abuse - sexual, physical, emotional - is almost always cyclical. it's so hard to break the cycle and therefore gets "passed on" to the next generation.

Not condoning Josh at all, but I'm betting he was a victim himself.

DP. I don’t really care if he was a victim. We’ve all been victimized in one way or another - many of us very seriously. But, as human beings with agency, we all have a choice about what to do with our experiences of victimization and whether we let those experiences turn us into people who in turn victimize others. No one is saying it’s easy to make the right choices in life, but it’s what we all need to try to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, a lot of people who sexually abuse children were sexually abused themselves. It’s a nightmare cycle. It is not a defense to Josh Duggar’s actions, he should go to jail and never be near another child again. But there is a very good chance Josh was sexually abused when he was a child.

People keep posting this on this thread and while true, it's irrelevant. In isolated families, with more than just one child, sexual exploration can sometimes happen with siblings instead of with other children. It is wrong, but it's not the same as "normal" sexual abuse. It's situational, in part. For example, it's rampant in many Amish families.

Josh, however, continued his abusive behavior after he started to live in a larger community and in adulthood. He has shown himself to be a criminal.

We don’t know if an older man or woman abused him when he was a child. He could have been molested or even raped by an older man or woman when he was a kid, and that has in part caused what he is doing now. It’s not an “excuse” and he should go to jail and never be alone with any child again. Childhood sexual abuse is a hidden and ignored issue. Kids do not tell. Kids tell and are ignored. Kids tell and their parents decide to “deal with it” outside of the legal realm to save embarrassment to the family. Some parents just don’t care. It’s ugly af. But even if Josh was sexually abused as a kid by an adult, that’s not a defense or excuse. It’s good he will now (too damn late) face consequences. Although his mug shot was enough to make me hurl, and we don’t know if he was sexually abused as a kid, it’s gross to be “happy” about this. I feel very sorry for the kids that were abused to provide him his twisted and criminal and abhorrent “entertainment,” and his own kids, who effectively have ruined childhoods no doubt from their dad being a predator. It’s just gross and sad all around.

+1
Abuse - sexual, physical, emotional - is almost always cyclical. it's so hard to break the cycle and therefore gets "passed on" to the next generation.

Not condoning Josh at all, but I'm betting he was a victim himself.

Please believe I have zero interest in defending this guy. Throw several books at him. I can’t stand the fact he could have gotten help, if that were the case, and didn’t. He has two parents and financial stability. His parents could have gotten him therapy, could have let him face actual legal consequences when he hurt his own sisters! If he were sexually abused, that is, which we do not know if he was. Instead of doing so, they may have swept it all under the rug and now his own kids (and their grandchildren) are irreparably harmed. That’s the messed up cycle that is perpetually in motion when this shit happens. If it happened. He’s King Yuck, I get it. He has no excuse for doing what he’s done. I have no doubt he’s guilty, even though we are supposed to be all innocent until proven guilty up in this mug. But I agree with pp: he probably was a victim himself. It’s not anything to be excited about. Or gleeful. Child porn and child sexual abuse is the most awful thing on the planet, pretty much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, a lot of people who sexually abuse children were sexually abused themselves. It’s a nightmare cycle. It is not a defense to Josh Duggar’s actions, he should go to jail and never be near another child again. But there is a very good chance Josh was sexually abused when he was a child.

People keep posting this on this thread and while true, it's irrelevant. In isolated families, with more than just one child, sexual exploration can sometimes happen with siblings instead of with other children. It is wrong, but it's not the same as "normal" sexual abuse. It's situational, in part. For example, it's rampant in many Amish families.

Josh, however, continued his abusive behavior after he started to live in a larger community and in adulthood. He has shown himself to be a criminal.

We don’t know if an older man or woman abused him when he was a child. He could have been molested or even raped by an older man or woman when he was a kid, and that has in part caused what he is doing now. It’s not an “excuse” and he should go to jail and never be alone with any child again. Childhood sexual abuse is a hidden and ignored issue. Kids do not tell. Kids tell and are ignored. Kids tell and their parents decide to “deal with it” outside of the legal realm to save embarrassment to the family. Some parents just don’t care. It’s ugly af. But even if Josh was sexually abused as a kid by an adult, that’s not a defense or excuse. It’s good he will now (too damn late) face consequences. Although his mug shot was enough to make me hurl, and we don’t know if he was sexually abused as a kid, it’s gross to be “happy” about this. I feel very sorry for the kids that were abused to provide him his twisted and criminal and abhorrent “entertainment,” and his own kids, who effectively have ruined childhoods no doubt from their dad being a predator. It’s just gross and sad all around.

+1
Abuse - sexual, physical, emotional - is almost always cyclical. it's so hard to break the cycle and therefore gets "passed on" to the next generation.

Not condoning Josh at all, but I'm betting he was a victim himself.

DP. I don’t really care if he was a victim. We’ve all been victimized in one way or another - many of us very seriously. But, as human beings with agency, we all have a choice about what to do with our experiences of victimization and whether we let those experiences turn us into people who in turn victimize others. No one is saying it’s easy to make the right choices in life, but it’s what we all need to try to do.

Ok agree with much of this, but childhood sexual abuse isn’t a “try REALLY hard to deal with it on your own!!!” situation. Nothing prepares kids to deal with it. And if they don’t receive intense intervention and therapy they probably can’t do better. And it’s not an excuse. He should be jailed and dealt with harshly. As the law allows. I just reject the notion that people can overcome childhood sexual abuse without major help. His parents failed him and their daughters and their daughter-in-law and their grandchildren HORRIBLY. And the kids that he used for sexual gratification via computer.

[Anonymous]

Anna is announcing she pregnant with her 7th child and the youngest is only 5 months old. So she must have gotten pregnant with a 2 or 3 month old. Poor poor woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anna is announcing she pregnant with her 7th child and the youngest is only 5 months old. So she must have gotten pregnant with a 2 or 3 month old. Poor poor woman.

No, her youngest is a year and a half, she will be a little under 2 when the new baby comes. Not that it manners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, a lot of people who sexually abuse children were sexually abused themselves. It’s a nightmare cycle. It is not a defense to Josh Duggar’s actions, he should go to jail and never be near another child again. But there is a very good chance Josh was sexually abused when he was a child.

People keep posting this on this thread and while true, it's irrelevant. In isolated families, with more than just one child, sexual exploration can sometimes happen with siblings instead of with other children. It is wrong, but it's not the same as "normal" sexual abuse. It's situational, in part. For example, it's rampant in many Amish families.

Josh, however, continued his abusive behavior after he started to live in a larger community and in adulthood. He has shown himself to be a criminal.

We don’t know if an older man or woman abused him when he was a child. He could have been molested or even raped by an older man or woman when he was a kid, and that has in part caused what he is doing now. It’s not an “excuse” and he should go to jail and never be alone with any child again. Childhood sexual abuse is a hidden and ignored issue. Kids do not tell. Kids tell and are ignored. Kids tell and their parents decide to “deal with it” outside of the legal realm to save embarrassment to the family. Some parents just don’t care. It’s ugly af. But even if Josh was sexually abused as a kid by an adult, that’s not a defense or excuse. It’s good he will now (too damn late) face consequences. Although his mug shot was enough to make me hurl, and we don’t know if he was sexually abused as a kid, it’s gross to be “happy” about this. I feel very sorry for the kids that were abused to provide him his twisted and criminal and abhorrent “entertainment,” and his own kids, who effectively have ruined childhoods no doubt from their dad being a predator. It’s just gross and sad all around.

+1
Abuse - sexual, physical, emotional - is almost always cyclical. it's so hard to break the cycle and therefore gets "passed on" to the next generation.

Not condoning Josh at all, but I'm betting he was a victim himself.

DP. I don’t really care if he was a victim. We’ve all been victimized in one way or another - many of us very seriously. But, as human beings with agency, we all have a choice about what to do with our experiences of victimization and whether we let those experiences turn us into people who in turn victimize others. No one is saying it’s easy to make the right choices in life, but it’s what we all need to try to do.

Ok agree with much of this, but childhood sexual abuse isn’t a “try REALLY hard to deal with it on your own!!!” situation. Nothing prepares kids to deal with it. And if they don’t receive intense intervention and therapy they probably can’t do better. And it’s not an excuse. He should be jailed and dealt with harshly. As the law allows. I just reject the notion that people can overcome childhood sexual abuse without major help. His parents failed him and their daughters and their daughter-in-law and their grandchildren HORRIBLY. And the kids that he used for sexual gratification via computer.

I haven’t seen anyone say that child abuse victims shouldn’t get help. Of course they should! But at the same time, let’s not suggest that victims who don’t receive extensive treatment are doomed to be abusers or lead miserable lives. (Especially in a country like ours where it can be difficult and expensive to get that kind of professional help.) In the end, YOU are the main person responsible for who you are and what you do with your life. That’s true for all of us.