APS - School Shifts in the Fall?

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Anonymous wrote:So let's get back to the info that was put out there, which APE so desperately wants to avoid talking about by attacking others (nice try, must be graduate level campaign class tactics!)

JB is the husband of an APE steering committee member, ADB.

Miranda Turner is an APE steering committee member too.

JB FOIA'ed Mary Kadera's emails to APS going way back before she ran. Legal but aggressive opposition research tactics for a local SB race (but in keeping with APE).

Did Miranda know about this? Did she coordinate with JB and ADB? What are JB's and ADB's involvement with Miranda's campaign?

APE's plans to recall current school board members were leaked too. In the screenshot, EHN, another infamous APE'er, said the recall effort was an APE plan, NOT an individual one. She said APE. Her words.

Again, Miranda is on the steering committee of APE. No way she isn't involved in this APE recall effort. At the very least, she had to have known about it. APE's steering committee has weekly meetings. It's a scarily well organized operation.

I say this with the best intentions--but you really need to get a grip.

More deflection. Anything to take attention from the fact that Miranda Turner is all tied up in APE's School Board recall efforts.

Are you for real? Go back and re-read this thread. There are quotes from AEM of MT saying there is no APE recall effort and at any rate, she wouldn't support is as effective at this time.

Sure she realizes it's toxic now and is desperately trying to back away. That's just cleanup because they got exposed. I saw the screen shot of EHN saying APE is planning a recall effort. We all saw it.

You can keep repeating this as though it's true. EHN has been brash since the beginning and PUBLICLY LEFT APE IN A BLAZE OF GLORY months ago. Shouldn't that speak for itself? EHN is not the same as APE. She doesn't speak for the group. Never has.

Ooh, can you say more about that? I knew she had left APE but missed it when it happened.

I have no interest in either group, but I do have an interest in gossip.

and how did she come back in?

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You can keep repeating this as though it's true. EHN has been brash since the beginning and PUBLICLY LEFT APE IN A BLAZE OF GLORY months ago. Shouldn't that speak for itself? EHN is not the same as APE. She doesn't speak for the group. Never has.

Ooh, can you say more about that? I knew she had left APE but missed it when it happened.

I have no interest in either group, but I do have an interest in gossip.

and how did she come back in?

I'm going to guess "in a cloud of self-pity" but am open to other assessments.

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Anonymous wrote:So let's get back to the info that was put out there, which APE so desperately wants to avoid talking about by attacking others (nice try, must be graduate level campaign class tactics!)

JB is the husband of an APE steering committee member, ADB.

Miranda Turner is an APE steering committee member too.

JB FOIA'ed Mary Kadera's emails to APS going way back before she ran. Legal but aggressive opposition research tactics for a local SB race (but in keeping with APE).

Did Miranda know about this? Did she coordinate with JB and ADB? What are JB's and ADB's involvement with Miranda's campaign?

APE's plans to recall current school board members were leaked too. In the screenshot, EHN, another infamous APE'er, said the recall effort was an APE plan, NOT an individual one. She said APE. Her words.

Again, Miranda is on the steering committee of APE. No way she isn't involved in this APE recall effort. At the very least, she had to have known about it. APE's steering committee has weekly meetings. It's a scarily well organized operation.

I say this with the best intentions--but you really need to get a grip.

More deflection. Anything to take attention from the fact that Miranda Turner is all tied up in APE's School Board recall efforts.

Are you for real? Go back and re-read this thread. There are quotes from AEM of MT saying there is no APE recall effort and at any rate, she wouldn't support is as effective at this time.

Sure she realizes it's toxic now and is desperately trying to back away. That's just cleanup because they got exposed. I saw the screen shot of EHN saying APE is planning a recall effort. We all saw it.

You can keep repeating this as though it's true. EHN has been brash since the beginning and PUBLICLY LEFT APE IN A BLAZE OF GLORY months ago. Shouldn't that speak for itself? EHN is not the same as APE. She doesn't speak for the group. Never has.

Ooh, can you say more about that? I knew she had left APE but missed it when it happened.

I have no interest in either group, but I do have an interest in gossip.

and how did she come back in?

DP. Leaving the APE steering committee isn’t the same thing as leaving the FB group.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ironic that after all the time SR has spent making accusations that APE is sponsoring a lawsuit and some supposed recall effort that the APE leadership has specifically and repeatedly disavowed, they now want people to just give them the benefit of the doubt that the they aren’t responsible for a Twitter account that SR leadership hasn’t actually denied being involved with.

You know, I hadn't thought of it this way, but you make a good point.

+1. I find it very telling that SR hasn't actually disavowed the Twitter account.

But they do seem to putting an awful lot of effort into trying to deflect and distract people from this issue.

Who is "they"? And where do you see this "awful lot of effort"?

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You can keep repeating this as though it's true. EHN has been brash since the beginning and PUBLICLY LEFT APE IN A BLAZE OF GLORY months ago. Shouldn't that speak for itself? EHN is not the same as APE. She doesn't speak for the group. Never has.

Ooh, can you say more about that? I knew she had left APE but missed it when it happened.

I have no interest in either group, but I do have an interest in gossip.

and how did she come back in?

I'm going to guess "in a cloud of self-pity" but am open to other assessments.

Some of the very right leaning APE members began championing their political views as the correct orientation for engaging in school reopening debate, she pushed back, and they went off on her. She declared that she wasn't interested in tolerating that rhetoric from within what had previously felt like a safe space in APE and declared she was out. It was a flurry of exchanges over the expanse of like two hours one evening.

I never caught any announcement of return, simply a return to engaging on the FB page.

I didn't appreciate the fanatical right leanings pushing their view or her, but, her reaction was overblown and seemed like a fleeting fit of rage. I'm guessing she settled down, and probably the right leaners were taken to task for their obnoxious assertions and harassment and everybody put their on their big kid pants and got back to business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:APE STEERING MEMBER HERE - Our Facebook page is not our official anything, it’s a group of 900 people and a forum for them to vent, talk, debate, come up with advocacy ideas etc. APE is NOT doing a recall, it was discussed by parents on the page but it is not an APE effort. You will note we don’t have it on our website nor our enewsletter - those are where you will find our efforts. Feel free to check it out! If folks want to pursue a recall (something allowed in a free democracy if a voter wants to pursue) that’s up to them. We also did not help nor support the lawsuit (again something one is free to do in America). We have addressed this about a thousand times and it’s getting extremely old. We also moderate our page and do not put up with bullying, harassment or any sort of doxing. That accusation also needs to stop. We wouldn’t allow someone to post memes of an apes yelling or jokes about people getting COVID like AEM, we don’t even allow screen shots of Twitter accounts. Our Twitter gets screen shot by trolls and then gross things like these people should just get au pairs are said and now screen shots of individuals discussing a perfectly legal (but not endorsed or run or planned by APE) effort and coming to this page to accuse us like we are planning some sort of insurrection need to take a deep breath. We write speeches, we send post cards, we do newsletters - we are not funded by outside sources. We care a lot, our kids are struggling, we are surrounded by open private schools and over 60% of the country open five days a week. We just want what they have. It’s not some deeper or scary conspiracy. But thanks for calling us scarily well run operation or whatever was said earlier, take it as a compliment. (And no we don’t do weekly meetings, ain’t nobody got time for that)

I will also note yet again that we have never advocated for virtual to go away this year. Virtual families are the ONLY ones who have gotten a choice. I’m quite sure if they had been forced back in, in the fall they would have advocated just like we did for our kids to have the choice of in-person.

Not in APE, but clapping. THANK YOU!

I don't know why some people in here are so fixed on these weird issues.

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That sounds right - there is a steering member who does not tolerate any shenanigans or harassment or bullying and frequently tells people to quit it if there is any sort of over the top stuff. I’m sure she reached out and put people in their place. Obviously it’s a big tent and stuff gets heated but it’s nice to have a safe space to debate especially in today’s world. Of course I disagree with some of the more crazy stuff but it’s nice to have a place to talk and express my views and get help, even looking for preschools or camps. And I’ve found some great people I look forward to being friends with even after all this dies down.

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Anonymous wrote:to the moderator, no they will not be quiet.. we've been quiet wayyy too long.. Too bad if you don't like the clapping and support!!!

"Quiet?" ROFL! All they've done is whine endlessly, b*tch incessantly, scream and stomp their feet all year long.

I hope if they refuse to abide by the rules of decorum, they kick them out on their ears.

parents are fed up and are not allowed to have dialogue at the meetings. The very least we can do is to clap in show of support for one another.. the SB silences support.

They have never allowed clapping, as you’d know if you ever paid attention before now.

Y'all they aren't doing their jobs or taking ownership over their decisions. A little civil disobedience is sometimes they way to show you're fed up. I'd also like to understand the reason for not identifying board members or APS staff by name in remarks. Is there skin really that thin that they can't be addressed? Have they heard of the first amendment? Of course, if you're doling out comments say Dr. Duran all you want!

You are starting to sound like the White parents in Boston during school desegregation. Really, if this is what has spurred you to action, and what you’re willing to become disobedient about THIS YEAR, you might need to take a long look in the mirror.

As far as I'm concerned, yelling at a nonnative speaker for going overtime is just as bad as SR's anti APE troll account. The amount of bullying among Arlington parents is just so unreal.

I'm sure Monique was about to cut her off, but the crowd intervened. It seems to bring Monique so much joy to cut people off from commenting.

You are very committed to pushing this false narrative.

You don’t know that it’s a “SR” account. Just that it’s someone who supports SR.

But, even if it's not an official SR account, it was clear from who shared it (BE) and who follows it (everyone SR) that SR implicitly supports bullying APE. If you are so anti-doxxing teachers, admins should take a clear stand on not doxxing people from APE too. But instead, the husband of a SR admin and constant AEM poster shared it to the world. Looks bad, doesn't it? The hypocrisy, like someone said above, is unreal.

But I don't like APE either. They need to sit down too, and let everyone have their turn without the screaming. It's not that big of a deal that someone went two seconds over. It would be nice if more speakers were allowed to at least finish their sentence before getting cut off.

It’s fair to call them out on sharing it but you can’t attribute it to them.

Well, people seem to be attributing APE husband's FOIA to his wife and Miranda, so *shrugs*

So, just because other people do it, that makes it OK? Grow a f-ing backbone.

Just because a supporter of a candidate or advocacy group does something, doesn't mean the candidate or advocacy group is responsible.

Stop trying to attribute them to SR....or Miranda.

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Anonymous wrote:EHN has been brash since the beginning and PUBLICLY LEFT APE IN A BLAZE OF GLORY months ago. Shouldn't that speak for itself? EHN is not the same as APE. She doesn't speak for the group. Never has.

FASCINATING! I didn't know this. Was she pushed out?

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing I care about is hypocrisy, and both sides are full of it.

Miranda needs step away from APE and become a candidate for all parents of Arlington. You can still advocate for opening schools more whatever, but she really needs to step off of the steering committee

SR/BE really messed up. They brought Mary Kadera into their drama with APE. She had to effin address it publicly. She can very well lose because of it.

I don't care if it was a steering committee member or one of SR's supporters who created it. BE should have just leaked the letter if he felt so compelled to without that awful Twitter account. Why he even felt the need to one up APE is shrug too. I hope that account stays locked.

Why would MK lose because of it? She's not involved at all.

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Anonymous wrote:So let's get back to the info that was put out there, which APE so desperately wants to avoid talking about by attacking others (nice try, must be graduate level campaign class tactics!)

JB is the husband of an APE steering committee member, ADB.

Miranda Turner is an APE steering committee member too.

JB FOIA'ed Mary Kadera's emails to APS going way back before she ran. Legal but aggressive opposition research tactics for a local SB race (but in keeping with APE).

Did Miranda know about this? Did she coordinate with JB and ADB? What are JB's and ADB's involvement with Miranda's campaign?

APE's plans to recall current school board members were leaked too. In the screenshot, EHN, another infamous APE'er, said the recall effort was an APE plan, NOT an individual one. She said APE. Her words.

Again, Miranda is on the steering committee of APE. No way she isn't involved in this APE recall effort. At the very least, she had to have known about it. APE's steering committee has weekly meetings. It's a scarily well organized operation.

I say this with the best intentions--but you really need to get a grip.

More deflection. Anything to take attention from the fact that Miranda Turner is all tied up in APE's School Board recall efforts.

Are you for real? Go back and re-read this thread. There are quotes from AEM of MT saying there is no APE recall effort and at any rate, she wouldn't support is as effective at this time.

Sure she realizes it's toxic now and is desperately trying to back away. That's just cleanup because they got exposed. I saw the screen shot of EHN saying APE is planning a recall effort. We all saw it.

You can keep repeating this as though it's true. EHN has been brash since the beginning and PUBLICLY LEFT APE IN A BLAZE OF GLORY months ago. Shouldn't that speak for itself? EHN is not the same as APE. She doesn't speak for the group. Never has.

Ooh, can you say more about that? I knew she had left APE but missed it when it happened.

I have no interest in either group, but I do have an interest in gossip.

and how did she come back in?

She did not. She posted all about it at the time - I forget the precise reason. But she is no longer on Steering. She's in the FB group but so are 900 people.

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Anonymous wrote:So let's get back to the info that was put out there, which APE so desperately wants to avoid talking about by attacking others (nice try, must be graduate level campaign class tactics!)

JB is the husband of an APE steering committee member, ADB.

Miranda Turner is an APE steering committee member too.

JB FOIA'ed Mary Kadera's emails to APS going way back before she ran. Legal but aggressive opposition research tactics for a local SB race (but in keeping with APE).

Did Miranda know about this? Did she coordinate with JB and ADB? What are JB's and ADB's involvement with Miranda's campaign?

APE's plans to recall current school board members were leaked too. In the screenshot, EHN, another infamous APE'er, said the recall effort was an APE plan, NOT an individual one. She said APE. Her words.

Again, Miranda is on the steering committee of APE. No way she isn't involved in this APE recall effort. At the very least, she had to have known about it. APE's steering committee has weekly meetings. It's a scarily well organized operation.

I say this with the best intentions--but you really need to get a grip.

More deflection. Anything to take attention from the fact that Miranda Turner is all tied up in APE's School Board recall efforts.

Are you for real? Go back and re-read this thread. There are quotes from AEM of MT saying there is no APE recall effort and at any rate, she wouldn't support is as effective at this time.

Sure she realizes it's toxic now and is desperately trying to back away. That's just cleanup because they got exposed. I saw the screen shot of EHN saying APE is planning a recall effort. We all saw it.

You can keep repeating this as though it's true. EHN has been brash since the beginning and PUBLICLY LEFT APE IN A BLAZE OF GLORY months ago. Shouldn't that speak for itself? EHN is not the same as APE. She doesn't speak for the group. Never has.

Ooh, can you say more about that? I knew she had left APE but missed it when it happened.

I have no interest in either group, but I do have an interest in gossip.

and how did she come back in?

She did not. She posted all about it at the time - I forget the precise reason. But she is no longer on Steering. She's in the FB group but so are 900 people.

Wait, help me understand. ENH left APE steering because it was too right-leaning, but MT remains and is running for SB as a Dem? I am confused.

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Do you think anyone on the steering committee is really a democrat? You have to have the endorsement to win. That's what matters.

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LOL so wanting to open schools makes me a republican? I didn’t realize it was a Democrat platform to keep them closed. APE has Bernie supporters, life long progressives and republicans. Stop trying to make this political or it will be used against us in elections. Do we want to really set our flag in the sand that all Dems don’t want school open for in person?

And no she didn’t just leave steering she left all of APE that day. It was an APE-wide debate. She ended up coming back to APE. Stop trying to make this something it’s not.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think anyone on the steering committee is really a democrat? You have to have the endorsement to win. That's what matters.

I blame Trump for this nonsense. APS and every other liberal school district would have opened 2x a week in the fall and be open 5x a week now, but stupid Trump opened his mouth last summer and said he wanted schools open again and then it became partisan. Just like you can map vaccine doses with the vote, you can map school opening with the vote.

I wear a mask and I got my vaccine and I want schools open and I am not a republican. And APS is on-track to be one of the last districts in the country to re-open meaningfully, and that's sad for our children.