cutoff scores for Fairfax County GT centers for this year?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Truly curious, whats the big deal that a kid "makes it into a GT pool" other than for the parents to brag about how all 4 kids are doing well in AAP blah blah. on internet boards. It all seems just prepping to score high and slogging from a young age in the rat race to prove some obscure point. What will all these geniuses end up doing or are we really dumbing up with coached 99th percentile "abilities" and competitive, prescriptive learning?

FWIW, got my older kid's 1st grade NNAT2 which is 2 SDs over mean, so not really a case of sour grapes...


So you're griping about people bragging, and then you just had to add your own brag on at the end???
Anonymous
@21:48: No, it may seem like a brag to you but its just a statement so people dont jump on the sour grapes argument.

BTW, the real question (which did you not touch on) was what the end game is, preferably from people who have lived it, for better or worse.
Anonymous
Truly curious, whats the big deal that a kid "makes it into a GT pool" other than for the parents to brag about how all 4 kids are doing well in AAP blah blah. on internet boards.


Yes, when my child got in, my first thought was not, "Good, now he will get an accelerated curriculum, he will stop being bored in school, and he'll be in a class with a peer group that is more on par with his academic abilities," it was "Awesome, now I can brag on an anonymous forum that my kid is smarter than yours."
Anonymous
Your post read as such:

"Why do people care if their kid is smart...why do people fight so hard to make sure their kid is smarter than other smart kids...do smart people really end up better off than everyone else?

btw, my kid is smart"
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Truly curious, whats the big deal that a kid "makes it into a GT pool" other than for the parents to brag about how all 4 kids are doing well in AAP blah blah. on internet boards. It all seems just prepping to score high and slogging from a young age in the rat race to prove some obscure point. What will all these geniuses end up doing or are we really dumbing up with coached 99th percentile "abilities" and competitive, prescriptive learning?

FWIW, got my older kid's 1st grade NNAT2 which is 2 SDs over mean, so not really a case of sour grapes...


Congrats. My 1st grade kid's NNAT2 is a little higher than his sister's NNAT score, and she's doing great in an AAP Center this year. Maybe our kids will be classmates! Care to schedule a playdate? My son loves to program his LEGO Mindstorm.

Anonymous
Is this the beginning of the perennial AAP flame war? It got pretty nasty last January?

Anonymous wrote:Truly curious, whats the big deal that a kid "makes it into a GT pool" other than for the parents to brag about how all 4 kids are doing well in AAP blah blah. on internet boards. It all seems just prepping to score high and slogging from a young age in the rat race to prove some obscure point. What will all these geniuses end up doing or are we really dumbing up with coached 99th percentile "abilities" and competitive, prescriptive learning?

FWIW, got my older kid's 1st grade NNAT2 which is 2 SDs over mean, so not really a case of sour grapes...


This quote falls under the general category of, "Why are you all pushing your kids to try to be geniuses? Is it so that you can brag about them when they should just be kids? Oh, by the way my kid is a TRUE genius!" thread. There are at a dozen or so such comments back in this thread if you wish to take the time to go back and unwind it.

Umm, I'll take a crack at why folks might want their children in the program although it seems pretty obvious to me. The AAP program is an accelerated program for about the top 12% of students. Note that we talking about the top 12 % of students not the top 1 or 2 or even 5 %. The learning is accelerated a bit but not so much that anyone who is not on the MIT fast track is going to have to struggle to keep up with program without going all Amy Chua, "Tiger Mother" crack the wip study 24/7. Any reasonably bright kid in the program who can deal with the crushing burden of oh about ½ an hour of homework a day is going to do fine.

At the center your child is going to meet a culturally diverse group of kids including the small minority of super geniuses types who are on the fast track to MIT. This is a good thing. Having very smart and creative friends has enriched my life immensely.

In later grades when bullying can be problem there will be less of that as the budding high school drop outs and JDs are probably not going to be in AAP. At the centers you have an active PTA and interesting school activities. I'd eat my left shoe if they had a chess club in my elementary school or if there was even anyone who know how to play (and yes some of the students do enjoy playing chess).

I can come up with dozen other reasons why parent might want their kids to get in AAP but please just keep harping on the parent self esteem thing and bragging rights. If done with finesse you can probably add another 10 or so pages to this thread….
Anonymous
If this were a sports thread, no one would be dissing the parents talking about their children's natural talent. What's the difference? Are we allowed to be proud or happy about natural sports ability but not natural academic ability? That's messed up.
Anonymous
I'm crazy excited for my kid to be in the pool. Only because it will open more doors for him for different teaching methods than he is currently experiencing.

I think he walks on water. Would a selection otherwise made me think he didn't? No, but to be honest, I was concerned about him because he had some developmental delays. More exposure is what this opens for us.

I'd like to know more about the process.

One of the ideas a friend gave me was with the 5 pages parents are allowed to submit that you can scan and shrink down 4 pieces of artwork/paintings/photographs to fit on one page. That way, you can submit more than just one painting.

Same goes for other documents. If I can find his other testing for his IEP for his speech delays when he was younger, I can shrink those and pack as much as I can into one page (legible, of course)
Anonymous
If this were a sports thread, no one would be dissing the parents talking about their children's natural talent. What's the difference? Are we allowed to be proud or happy about natural sports ability but not natural academic ability? That's messed up.


Brag or don't brag about your children natural talents all you want. I am sure that most of us will be very happy for you. Just don't slam parents coming here for advice and then try to second guess why they want the children in the AAP program like numerous posters on this thread have done ad nauseum.
Anonymous
Does anyone know while assessing a student for GT program is it only CogAT scores that are considered or NNAT2 scores also considered?
Anonymous
The whole picture...nnat, cogat, Academic record, gbrs ( teacher input), work samples, and parental recommendation. From my experience, I think teacher input viA the gbrs (gifted behavior rating scale) can easily offset week scores, but strong scores do not offset poor GBRS and work samples. Some very smart kids have problems wIth the test format, and some parents invest in test prep (which companies claim can increase scores by more that 15 points). The committee is aware of this.

The real purpose of the pool is to ensure that no one is missed. I suspect that a 130 from a esl child ( or other under represented group) would be sufficient.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
If this were a sports thread, no one would be dissing the parents talking about their children's natural talent. What's the difference? Are we allowed to be proud or happy about natural sports ability but not natural academic ability? That's messed up.


Brag or don't brag about your children natural talents all you want. I am sure that most of us will be very happy for you. Just don't slam parents coming here for advice and then try to second guess why they want the children in the AAP program like numerous posters on this thread have done ad nauseum.


I'm the quoted poster and I totally agree. People here are very quick to judge why others want their kids in the program. It really is very strange how worked up people get about AAP, especially when it's not competitive. There are places for all qualified children so it's not like one person's child is taking another's place.
Anonymous
Pp: exactly. At louise archer, for example, they added an extra class this year.
Anonymous
My son is in first grade and this year he took the NNAT2 scheduled by the FCPS testing. He got 91 percentile (122) on the NNAT2. As a mom and seeing his academic achievements i am hoping he will do only better on the COGAT test.

I wish the best for all second graders who appeal.

Also, for the other moms whose kids got through the cut off, is there anything I could do to help with the preparations for the COGAT test?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Also, for the other moms whose kids got through the cut off, is there anything I could do to help with the preparations for the COGAT test?


Absolutely! Make sure your son gets a good night's rest and that he has a good breakfast (protein and not sugar-loaded cereals) for testing days.
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