Taylor's Feb Rec for Crown Boundary Study

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

Because it isn't about the school or the education. It is about the property values.

That and the relatively normal human instinct to reflexively reject change of any kind. Which, while understandable, is not persuasive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

They want a new building built on the current site - but that is not one of the options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i really dont understand the "save wootton" people. the "school" will still exist with the teachers and the programs. why do you cling to a crumbling building?

They want a new building built on the current site - but that is not one of the options.

Of course it is. Anything is possible.

[Anonymous]

For people that think it’s just about the “property values”- everyone is still zoned to the “wooton@ crown” - why would that impact the property values? They should stay the same in either model- doesn’t seem like that would be the reason.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]For people that think it’s just about the “property values”- everyone is still zoned to the “wooton@ crown” - why would that impact the property values? They should stay the same in either model- doesn’t seem like that would be the reason.[/quote]

It is misplaced fear that certain property values will go down because:
1. the high school is not walkable to the same neighborhood
2. there will be a vacant campus
3. the worst one- new demographics added to the existing pool will make it a less "prestigious" school

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For people that think it’s just about the “property values”- everyone is still zoned to the “wooton@ crown” - why would that impact the property values? They should stay the same in either model- doesn’t seem like that would be the reason.[/quote]

It is misplaced fear that certain property values will go down because:
1. the high school is not walkable to the same neighborhood
2. there will be a vacant campus
3. the worst one- new demographics added to the existing pool will make it a less "prestigious" school[/quote]

But that’s not misplaced fear-The three things you listed are all absolutely true. It won’t change the property values significantly for all the neighborhoods but it absolutely will for the neighborhoods closest to Wootton. You can shame people all you want for caring about this but a home purpose is by and large most people’s biggest investment. Yea it’s normal for people to care about that taking a hit.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For people that think it’s just about the “property values”- everyone is still zoned to the “wooton@ crown” - why would that impact the property values? They should stay the same in either model- doesn’t seem like that would be the reason.[/quote]

It is misplaced fear that certain property values will go down because:
1. the high school is not walkable to the same neighborhood
2. there will be a vacant campus
3. the worst one- new demographics added to the existing pool will make it a less "prestigious" school[/quote]

But that’s not misplaced fear-The three things you listed are all absolutely true. It won’t change the property values significantly for all the neighborhoods but it absolutely will for the neighborhoods closest to Wootton. You can shame people all you want for caring about this but a home purpose is by and large most people’s biggest investment. Yea it’s normal for people to care about that taking a hit. [/quote]

PP here. The third thing is absolutely misplaced fear. The first true there may be some small amount of truth for a very small amount of homes (relative to all impacted property). My point though is that it is not at all a valid basis on which the BOE should make this decision.

But thank you for being honest about the root of the opposition.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For people that think it’s just about the “property values”- everyone is still zoned to the “wooton@ crown” - why would that impact the property values? They should stay the same in either model- doesn’t seem like that would be the reason.[/quote]

It is misplaced fear that certain property values will go down because:
1. the high school is not walkable to the same neighborhood
2. there will be a vacant campus
3. the worst one- new demographics added to the existing pool will make it a less "prestigious" school[/quote]

But that’s not misplaced fear-The three things you listed are all absolutely true. It won’t change the property values significantly for all the neighborhoods but it absolutely will for the neighborhoods closest to Wootton. You can shame people all you want for caring about this but a home purpose is by and large most people’s biggest investment. Yea it’s normal for people to care about that taking a hit. [/quote]

PP here. The third thing is absolutely misplaced fear. The first true there may be some small amount of truth for a very small amount of homes (relative to all impacted property). My point though is that it is not at all a valid basis on which the BOE should make this decision.

But thank you for being honest about the root of the opposition.[/quote]

I don’t believe that anyone doesn’t care about their property values significantly going down. i’m sorry but not a single person with a brain is gonna be like “oh it’s fine! I don’t care about much the value of my house goes down!”

But also, The schools being added don’t have adequate proficiency is math and reading. How do you figure that won’t impact the school at all?

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For people that think it’s just about the “property values”- everyone is still zoned to the “wooton@ crown” - why would that impact the property values? They should stay the same in either model- doesn’t seem like that would be the reason.[/quote]

It is misplaced fear that certain property values will go down because:
1. the high school is not walkable to the same neighborhood
2. there will be a vacant campus
3. the worst one- new demographics added to the existing pool will make it a less "prestigious" school[/quote]

But that’s not misplaced fear-The three things you listed are all absolutely true. It won’t change the property values significantly for all the neighborhoods but it absolutely will for the neighborhoods closest to Wootton. You can shame people all you want for caring about this but a home purpose is by and large most people’s biggest investment. Yea it’s normal for people to care about that taking a hit. [/quote]

PP here. The third thing is absolutely misplaced fear. The first true there may be some small amount of truth for a very small amount of homes (relative to all impacted property). My point though is that it is not at all a valid basis on which the BOE should make this decision.

But thank you for being honest about the root of the opposition.[/quote]

I don’t believe that anyone doesn’t care about their property values significantly going down. i’m sorry but not a single person with a brain is gonna be like “oh it’s fine! I don’t care about much the value of my house goes down!”

But also, The schools being added don’t have adequate proficiency is math and reading. How do you figure that won’t impact the school at all?[/quote]

I never said people shouldn't care about their property values going down. I said that the possibility of a limited number of properties declining in value is not a valid factor in making boundary decisions.

And I never said the addition of new feeders will not impact the school. I said it won't impact anybody's property values. And it won't.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For people that think it’s just about the “property values”- everyone is still zoned to the “wooton@ crown” - why would that impact the property values? They should stay the same in either model- doesn’t seem like that would be the reason.[/quote]

It is misplaced fear that certain property values will go down because:
1. the high school is not walkable to the same neighborhood
2. there will be a vacant campus
3. the worst one- new demographics added to the existing pool will make it a less "prestigious" school[/quote]

But that’s not misplaced fear-The three things you listed are all absolutely true. It won’t change the property values significantly for all the neighborhoods but it absolutely will for the neighborhoods closest to Wootton. You can shame people all you want for caring about this but a home purpose is by and large most people’s biggest investment. Yea it’s normal for people to care about that taking a hit. [/quote]

PP here. The third thing is absolutely misplaced fear. The first true there may be some small amount of truth for a very small amount of homes (relative to all impacted property). My point though is that it is not at all a valid basis on which the BOE should make this decision.

But thank you for being honest about the root of the opposition.[/quote]

I don’t believe that anyone doesn’t care about their property values significantly going down. i’m sorry but not a single person with a brain is gonna be like “oh it’s fine! I don’t care about much the value of my house goes down!”

But also, The schools being added don’t have adequate proficiency is math and reading. How do you figure that won’t impact the school at all?[/quote]

I never said people shouldn't care about their property values going down. I said that the possibility of a limited number of properties declining in value is not a valid factor in making boundary decisions.

And I never said the addition of new feeders will not impact the school. I said it won't impact anybody's property values. And it won't.[/quote]

It absolutely will. Property values are directly connected to the ratings of the school they are zoned for. Adding feeders with low math and reading proficiency makes the schools performance ratings decrease-hence lowers property values. That’s how that works. But let’s come back to this thread a couple of years after the changes go into effect and we can see who was correct.

[Anonymous]

Realtor perspective re: home values--Homes that are walkable to schools are usually 1.5-5% higher than those same homes would be in the same school district but NOT walkable. This number is on the higher side (aka closer to the 5%) when that school is an elementary school and on the lower side (aka closer to 1.5%) when that school is a high school. The reason is that by high school, most people are not walking their children to school anymore. So I wouldn't worry too much about the walkability impacting the actual value of your houses. It will, certainly, no longer mean you will be able to advertise it as "walkable" when you go to sell but again, that is more of a selling point/something people will pay a premium for, to families with younger children rather than those in high school.

[Anonymous]

Need more posts like this one.

[Anonymous]

Great perspective from a pro

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For people that think it’s just about the “property values”- everyone is still zoned to the “wooton@ crown” - why would that impact the property values? They should stay the same in either model- doesn’t seem like that would be the reason.[/quote]

It is misplaced fear that certain property values will go down because:
1. the high school is not walkable to the same neighborhood
2. there will be a vacant campus
3. the worst one- new demographics added to the existing pool will make it a less "prestigious" school[/quote]

But that’s not misplaced fear-The three things you listed are all absolutely true. It won’t change the property values significantly for all the neighborhoods but it absolutely will for the neighborhoods closest to Wootton. You can shame people all you want for caring about this but a home purpose is by and large most people’s biggest investment. Yea it’s normal for people to care about that taking a hit. [/quote]

PP here. The third thing is absolutely misplaced fear. The first true there may be some small amount of truth for a very small amount of homes (relative to all impacted property). My point though is that it is not at all a valid basis on which the BOE should make this decision.

But thank you for being honest about the root of the opposition.[/quote]

I don’t believe that anyone doesn’t care about their property values significantly going down. i’m sorry but not a single person with a brain is gonna be like “oh it’s fine! I don’t care about much the value of my house goes down!”

But also, The schools being added don’t have adequate proficiency is math and reading. How do you figure that won’t impact the school at all?[/quote]

I never said people shouldn't care about their property values going down. I said that the possibility of a limited number of properties declining in value is not a valid factor in making boundary decisions.

And I never said the addition of new feeders will not impact the school. I said it won't impact anybody's property values. And it won't.[/quote]

It absolutely will. Property values are directly connected to the ratings of the school they are zoned for. Adding feeders with low math and reading proficiency makes the schools performance ratings decrease-hence lowers property values. That’s how that works. But let’s come back to this thread a couple of years after the changes go into effect and we can see who was correct. [/quote]

And an education researcher here chiming in on the other half of this point. There’s lots of great research demonstrating that with when kids from low income backgrounds enroll in higher performing schools, their test scores go up and the test scores of the kids from higher resourced communities are not affected at all. The same research also shows that there are positive impacts for those kids from higher resourced communities, such as improved employability skills (e.g., the ability to understand other people’s perspectives). Given this is a relatively small demographic shift (about a 5% increase in students receiving FARMs), you would not expect to see a noticeable dip in school ratings, even in the short term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Realtor perspective re: home values--Homes that are walkable to schools are usually 1.5-5% higher than those same homes would be in the same school district but NOT walkable. This number is on the higher side (aka closer to the 5%) when that school is an elementary school and on the lower side (aka closer to 1.5%) when that school is a high school. The reason is that by high school, most people are not walking their children to school anymore. So I wouldn't worry too much about the walkability impacting the actual value of your houses. It will, certainly, no longer mean you will be able to advertise it as "walkable" when you go to sell but again, that is more of a selling point/something people will pay a premium for, to families with younger children rather than those in high school.

Yeah I was gonna say as someone who has bought twice in Churchill, at no point did I think, “oh it’d be great to be so close to the high school that I must limit my search to that area” or pay more for that. Maybe for ES it’d be nice but even then I’d probably not think much about it.

I also think there’s a negative to being too close to the school due to traffic, noise, parking issues.