DDOT's latest plan to destroy traffic, Georgia Avenue edition

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who is on Georgia almost every day, this plan is strange. Of all the Washingtonians who set foot on Georgia during a day, probably not one in a 100 takes the bus. It's pretty much just all cars.

What is the deal with this city wanting to created dedicated lanes to modes of transportation people don't really use? We have 150 miles of bike lanes for the city's approximately 150 bicyclists. We're going to create a bus lane on a street where only a tiny fraction of the people there using the street take the bus?

22,000 people take buses on Georgia Ave *every day.* That is 1/2 the people traveling on Georgia. It is the busiest bus corridor in DC.

https://ago-item-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/604a004ea0874e08be875c2eda2cfbdf/FAQs.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjENr%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJHMEUCIQDTJtZylTcVyDE8RuINrBcBhWbin80B2D2GJD995wUi4QIgYzVkT9rXJZdFUjoc9cQYu%2Bolhi13EsLGuxBe1iuWqP0qtAUIMhAAGgw2MDQ3NTgxMDI2NjUiDME3OcyG6J0ANtZZRCqRBYQMWngcPj6ErP9CaQ%2FOJpr%2FJGGKehfT2l7TxMP1%2FWlNO0echg0JXnmmOz6HjtSQVgsHgnyOI9kQ7eEF7ItQAiP8XMWyCAfGtvDL8JFL3Uhahy2Zj3PfjIohzC3yW38kgZqODd%2BAsQX8MUIxyseOahs%2Bm68iQ2PnUCi56gH9i2BZXS3x926VPLaTzW7uuaNM1dmYTMWxoHloQO6GzJqi7CJkWATzJhrXP9eyjxT8UkHqXpGi3%2FxtttK%2BKPpgFbY2%2BnREeRZGJQg7CBSzyTbrekV9qi0vrfpZy%2BrDzBzaKlclU8uakaEBfHUPnhsB1Ugt0CPFpx9hERGp9DIHLo2%2BaMWmsog22vLbrTlTiDWlflkUeTKLUpo4mDrIuRQ7bLfapwixgDckUgJcK3EXEmSJx4NpFaIhm7IkEv61kmwmfBYos6DGXuZuOVM05bp1G2mAdPY6rzqTWHmGAhYcvHF%2B%2FrFtVJU9aXKGtGFB%2FWBd%2B1zTt1%2BVxZCOio9krJJ20tb22fbpQLv%2B2MZ%2FoxBvO%2FnDez4zbpRJflIODXXPhtJ1JQRCcFRO0oT%2B0i5a4djWsT%2FsTaj9JSPmmcDL%2BZ8kjSWseVjgZ8%2FacRFHaOcIe1nVGSiU%2BU73Zr7cKtohCXR6t67424a48Ufm4Vlzje338R5tj%2Bh14FKQaTXONqXxkvIBd%2BrIAeDXrNxC74wSTCTT23X3u2A9tO4OP5ZwZnSqmOl4xyb1a58fEjTIbRgEiRQIHqfv4B96w1zA1oFkD53KKD%2BJFO80btfven8w4a2Fa%2FJ8IHcliK9ADYT3wE6Sv%2FxO5Y00Mvquo%2BxsgCN7uYXZDXff%2BVoRK3ept9fFN0Wf1ZhhVe4PDobLKY2r3U02sIuVX7dEDzDFrpC4BjqxASjZEpFC668%2BbUTDQvJn56Zre2yCOegzuBJydimXxgs%2FhXIqJ6ERdRfyx8nuR80LbCiJ6CYRtQf6meAZyBeQzp8WQrkV8G92wMkVry5SM6vpy0s7ZIbIlVjQYiZU2wL7CbvGaQBOFWTJmw4N1V5uIEiY1fCTf41w8T0x69Ryx5UpbONKqTfw%2Fg5PP09R2pcrmISpnLWyl0JKUPH7QzQGQ%2FbNhySXWUOBKeMAr1a%2BHjqJ0g%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20241007T180106Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYZTTEKKEZGODYWHE%2F20241007%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=c9e40009a9f4b058b221a019b001471e6e442f73f369d8737fe6ecfe55f4e44b

Half! Ha! What a lie. Go drive up and down on Georgia and count how many buses you see.

Ok well, if you think DDOT is literally lying then we don’t really have much to talk about. By they way buses can carry many times more people than cars and hence you’ll see fewer of them than cars yet they will still transport more people than cars. Math!!!

Yes, I do think DDOT is lying. Their flyer for this project says "safety is DDOT's #1 Priority on Georgia Avenue" but they dont mention at all how this plan will divert traffic off Georgia onto all the surrounding streets, where people (including tons of kids) actually live. I believe that's called lying by omission.

in fact there is a LENGTHY discussion of that

no, there isn't. the city actually says "the traffic modeling does not suggest drivers will choose side streets to make their existing trips," which i mean does anyone at ddot actually believe that?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in this plan. They say people will switch to using North Capitol. What?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in all these DDOT plans. Most of them seem to stem from working backwards and trying to justify the idea instead of looking at the data and moving forward.

The proponenets of these plans are also weirdly obsessed with Maryland and think nobody in DC takes these routes.

As for N. Capitol, it will be the last N-S route standing after strangling 16th and finishing off Connecticut and Georgia.

They frequently cite what they call similar bus projects in other, unnamed cities. "On peer city projects, bus ridership increased after the installation of bus lanes." But we already have more than 10 miles of bus only lanes here in DC. They could just use data from that. They don't, which is telling. If the numbers were good, they'd cited them. Instead we get vague references to what happened in other, unnamed cities.

Especially because they did this to 16th Street in 2021. There is no better or more obvious comp but somehow it's gotten the nothing to see here treatment.

If 16th has been a success then they should be publicizing the hell out of it. If it hasn't been a success then why would we be replicating it?

Some of our bus only lanes are five years old. Why is there no data from *any* of them?

If the data showed other bus only lanes in DC increased bus ridership, you can be sure the city would be touting that here. They're not, which tells you something.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who is on Georgia almost every day, this plan is strange. Of all the Washingtonians who set foot on Georgia during a day, probably not one in a 100 takes the bus. It's pretty much just all cars.

What is the deal with this city wanting to created dedicated lanes to modes of transportation people don't really use? We have 150 miles of bike lanes for the city's approximately 150 bicyclists. We're going to create a bus lane on a street where only a tiny fraction of the people there using the street take the bus?

22,000 people take buses on Georgia Ave *every day.* That is 1/2 the people traveling on Georgia. It is the busiest bus corridor in DC.

https://ago-item-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/604a004ea0874e08be875c2eda2cfbdf/FAQs.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjENr%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJHMEUCIQDTJtZylTcVyDE8RuINrBcBhWbin80B2D2GJD995wUi4QIgYzVkT9rXJZdFUjoc9cQYu%2Bolhi13EsLGuxBe1iuWqP0qtAUIMhAAGgw2MDQ3NTgxMDI2NjUiDME3OcyG6J0ANtZZRCqRBYQMWngcPj6ErP9CaQ%2FOJpr%2FJGGKehfT2l7TxMP1%2FWlNO0echg0JXnmmOz6HjtSQVgsHgnyOI9kQ7eEF7ItQAiP8XMWyCAfGtvDL8JFL3Uhahy2Zj3PfjIohzC3yW38kgZqODd%2BAsQX8MUIxyseOahs%2Bm68iQ2PnUCi56gH9i2BZXS3x926VPLaTzW7uuaNM1dmYTMWxoHloQO6GzJqi7CJkWATzJhrXP9eyjxT8UkHqXpGi3%2FxtttK%2BKPpgFbY2%2BnREeRZGJQg7CBSzyTbrekV9qi0vrfpZy%2BrDzBzaKlclU8uakaEBfHUPnhsB1Ugt0CPFpx9hERGp9DIHLo2%2BaMWmsog22vLbrTlTiDWlflkUeTKLUpo4mDrIuRQ7bLfapwixgDckUgJcK3EXEmSJx4NpFaIhm7IkEv61kmwmfBYos6DGXuZuOVM05bp1G2mAdPY6rzqTWHmGAhYcvHF%2B%2FrFtVJU9aXKGtGFB%2FWBd%2B1zTt1%2BVxZCOio9krJJ20tb22fbpQLv%2B2MZ%2FoxBvO%2FnDez4zbpRJflIODXXPhtJ1JQRCcFRO0oT%2B0i5a4djWsT%2FsTaj9JSPmmcDL%2BZ8kjSWseVjgZ8%2FacRFHaOcIe1nVGSiU%2BU73Zr7cKtohCXR6t67424a48Ufm4Vlzje338R5tj%2Bh14FKQaTXONqXxkvIBd%2BrIAeDXrNxC74wSTCTT23X3u2A9tO4OP5ZwZnSqmOl4xyb1a58fEjTIbRgEiRQIHqfv4B96w1zA1oFkD53KKD%2BJFO80btfven8w4a2Fa%2FJ8IHcliK9ADYT3wE6Sv%2FxO5Y00Mvquo%2BxsgCN7uYXZDXff%2BVoRK3ept9fFN0Wf1ZhhVe4PDobLKY2r3U02sIuVX7dEDzDFrpC4BjqxASjZEpFC668%2BbUTDQvJn56Zre2yCOegzuBJydimXxgs%2FhXIqJ6ERdRfyx8nuR80LbCiJ6CYRtQf6meAZyBeQzp8WQrkV8G92wMkVry5SM6vpy0s7ZIbIlVjQYiZU2wL7CbvGaQBOFWTJmw4N1V5uIEiY1fCTf41w8T0x69Ryx5UpbONKqTfw%2Fg5PP09R2pcrmISpnLWyl0JKUPH7QzQGQ%2FbNhySXWUOBKeMAr1a%2BHjqJ0g%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20241007T180106Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYZTTEKKEZGODYWHE%2F20241007%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=c9e40009a9f4b058b221a019b001471e6e442f73f369d8737fe6ecfe55f4e44b

Half! Ha! What a lie. Go drive up and down on Georgia and count how many buses you see.

Ok well, if you think DDOT is literally lying then we don’t really have much to talk about. By they way buses can carry many times more people than cars and hence you’ll see fewer of them than cars yet they will still transport more people than cars. Math!!!

Yes, I do think DDOT is lying. Their flyer for this project says "safety is DDOT's #1 Priority on Georgia Avenue" but they dont mention at all how this plan will divert traffic off Georgia onto all the surrounding streets, where people (including tons of kids) actually live. I believe that's called lying by omission.

in fact there is a LENGTHY discussion of that

no, there isn't. the city actually says "the traffic modeling does not suggest drivers will choose side streets to make their existing trips," which i mean does anyone at ddot actually believe that?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in this plan. They say people will switch to using North Capitol. What?

Right. They say most trips on Georgia are longer so people aren’t pouring into the side streets - they are taking different N/S routes.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who is on Georgia almost every day, this plan is strange. Of all the Washingtonians who set foot on Georgia during a day, probably not one in a 100 takes the bus. It's pretty much just all cars.

What is the deal with this city wanting to created dedicated lanes to modes of transportation people don't really use? We have 150 miles of bike lanes for the city's approximately 150 bicyclists. We're going to create a bus lane on a street where only a tiny fraction of the people there using the street take the bus?

22,000 people take buses on Georgia Ave *every day.* That is 1/2 the people traveling on Georgia. It is the busiest bus corridor in DC.

https://ago-item-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/604a004ea0874e08be875c2eda2cfbdf/FAQs.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjENr%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJHMEUCIQDTJtZylTcVyDE8RuINrBcBhWbin80B2D2GJD995wUi4QIgYzVkT9rXJZdFUjoc9cQYu%2Bolhi13EsLGuxBe1iuWqP0qtAUIMhAAGgw2MDQ3NTgxMDI2NjUiDME3OcyG6J0ANtZZRCqRBYQMWngcPj6ErP9CaQ%2FOJpr%2FJGGKehfT2l7TxMP1%2FWlNO0echg0JXnmmOz6HjtSQVgsHgnyOI9kQ7eEF7ItQAiP8XMWyCAfGtvDL8JFL3Uhahy2Zj3PfjIohzC3yW38kgZqODd%2BAsQX8MUIxyseOahs%2Bm68iQ2PnUCi56gH9i2BZXS3x926VPLaTzW7uuaNM1dmYTMWxoHloQO6GzJqi7CJkWATzJhrXP9eyjxT8UkHqXpGi3%2FxtttK%2BKPpgFbY2%2BnREeRZGJQg7CBSzyTbrekV9qi0vrfpZy%2BrDzBzaKlclU8uakaEBfHUPnhsB1Ugt0CPFpx9hERGp9DIHLo2%2BaMWmsog22vLbrTlTiDWlflkUeTKLUpo4mDrIuRQ7bLfapwixgDckUgJcK3EXEmSJx4NpFaIhm7IkEv61kmwmfBYos6DGXuZuOVM05bp1G2mAdPY6rzqTWHmGAhYcvHF%2B%2FrFtVJU9aXKGtGFB%2FWBd%2B1zTt1%2BVxZCOio9krJJ20tb22fbpQLv%2B2MZ%2FoxBvO%2FnDez4zbpRJflIODXXPhtJ1JQRCcFRO0oT%2B0i5a4djWsT%2FsTaj9JSPmmcDL%2BZ8kjSWseVjgZ8%2FacRFHaOcIe1nVGSiU%2BU73Zr7cKtohCXR6t67424a48Ufm4Vlzje338R5tj%2Bh14FKQaTXONqXxkvIBd%2BrIAeDXrNxC74wSTCTT23X3u2A9tO4OP5ZwZnSqmOl4xyb1a58fEjTIbRgEiRQIHqfv4B96w1zA1oFkD53KKD%2BJFO80btfven8w4a2Fa%2FJ8IHcliK9ADYT3wE6Sv%2FxO5Y00Mvquo%2BxsgCN7uYXZDXff%2BVoRK3ept9fFN0Wf1ZhhVe4PDobLKY2r3U02sIuVX7dEDzDFrpC4BjqxASjZEpFC668%2BbUTDQvJn56Zre2yCOegzuBJydimXxgs%2FhXIqJ6ERdRfyx8nuR80LbCiJ6CYRtQf6meAZyBeQzp8WQrkV8G92wMkVry5SM6vpy0s7ZIbIlVjQYiZU2wL7CbvGaQBOFWTJmw4N1V5uIEiY1fCTf41w8T0x69Ryx5UpbONKqTfw%2Fg5PP09R2pcrmISpnLWyl0JKUPH7QzQGQ%2FbNhySXWUOBKeMAr1a%2BHjqJ0g%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20241007T180106Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYZTTEKKEZGODYWHE%2F20241007%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=c9e40009a9f4b058b221a019b001471e6e442f73f369d8737fe6ecfe55f4e44b

Half! Ha! What a lie. Go drive up and down on Georgia and count how many buses you see.

Ok well, if you think DDOT is literally lying then we don’t really have much to talk about. By they way buses can carry many times more people than cars and hence you’ll see fewer of them than cars yet they will still transport more people than cars. Math!!!

Yes, I do think DDOT is lying. Their flyer for this project says "safety is DDOT's #1 Priority on Georgia Avenue" but they dont mention at all how this plan will divert traffic off Georgia onto all the surrounding streets, where people (including tons of kids) actually live. I believe that's called lying by omission.

in fact there is a LENGTHY discussion of that

no, there isn't. the city actually says "the traffic modeling does not suggest drivers will choose side streets to make their existing trips," which i mean does anyone at ddot actually believe that?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in this plan. They say people will switch to using North Capitol. What?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in all these DDOT plans. Most of them seem to stem from working backwards and trying to justify the idea instead of looking at the data and moving forward.

The proponenets of these plans are also weirdly obsessed with Maryland and think nobody in DC takes these routes.

As for N. Capitol, it will be the last N-S route standing after strangling 16th and finishing off Connecticut and Georgia.

They frequently cite what they call similar bus projects in other, unnamed cities. "On peer city projects, bus ridership increased after the installation of bus lanes." But we already have more than 10 miles of bus only lanes here in DC. They could just use data from that. They don't, which is telling. If the numbers were good, they'd cited them. Instead we get vague references to what happened in other, unnamed cities.

We BARELY just started enforcing the bus lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who is on Georgia almost every day, this plan is strange. Of all the Washingtonians who set foot on Georgia during a day, probably not one in a 100 takes the bus. It's pretty much just all cars.

What is the deal with this city wanting to created dedicated lanes to modes of transportation people don't really use? We have 150 miles of bike lanes for the city's approximately 150 bicyclists. We're going to create a bus lane on a street where only a tiny fraction of the people there using the street take the bus?

22,000 people take buses on Georgia Ave *every day.* That is 1/2 the people traveling on Georgia. It is the busiest bus corridor in DC.

https://ago-item-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/604a004ea0874e08be875c2eda2cfbdf/FAQs.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjENr%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJHMEUCIQDTJtZylTcVyDE8RuINrBcBhWbin80B2D2GJD995wUi4QIgYzVkT9rXJZdFUjoc9cQYu%2Bolhi13EsLGuxBe1iuWqP0qtAUIMhAAGgw2MDQ3NTgxMDI2NjUiDME3OcyG6J0ANtZZRCqRBYQMWngcPj6ErP9CaQ%2FOJpr%2FJGGKehfT2l7TxMP1%2FWlNO0echg0JXnmmOz6HjtSQVgsHgnyOI9kQ7eEF7ItQAiP8XMWyCAfGtvDL8JFL3Uhahy2Zj3PfjIohzC3yW38kgZqODd%2BAsQX8MUIxyseOahs%2Bm68iQ2PnUCi56gH9i2BZXS3x926VPLaTzW7uuaNM1dmYTMWxoHloQO6GzJqi7CJkWATzJhrXP9eyjxT8UkHqXpGi3%2FxtttK%2BKPpgFbY2%2BnREeRZGJQg7CBSzyTbrekV9qi0vrfpZy%2BrDzBzaKlclU8uakaEBfHUPnhsB1Ugt0CPFpx9hERGp9DIHLo2%2BaMWmsog22vLbrTlTiDWlflkUeTKLUpo4mDrIuRQ7bLfapwixgDckUgJcK3EXEmSJx4NpFaIhm7IkEv61kmwmfBYos6DGXuZuOVM05bp1G2mAdPY6rzqTWHmGAhYcvHF%2B%2FrFtVJU9aXKGtGFB%2FWBd%2B1zTt1%2BVxZCOio9krJJ20tb22fbpQLv%2B2MZ%2FoxBvO%2FnDez4zbpRJflIODXXPhtJ1JQRCcFRO0oT%2B0i5a4djWsT%2FsTaj9JSPmmcDL%2BZ8kjSWseVjgZ8%2FacRFHaOcIe1nVGSiU%2BU73Zr7cKtohCXR6t67424a48Ufm4Vlzje338R5tj%2Bh14FKQaTXONqXxkvIBd%2BrIAeDXrNxC74wSTCTT23X3u2A9tO4OP5ZwZnSqmOl4xyb1a58fEjTIbRgEiRQIHqfv4B96w1zA1oFkD53KKD%2BJFO80btfven8w4a2Fa%2FJ8IHcliK9ADYT3wE6Sv%2FxO5Y00Mvquo%2BxsgCN7uYXZDXff%2BVoRK3ept9fFN0Wf1ZhhVe4PDobLKY2r3U02sIuVX7dEDzDFrpC4BjqxASjZEpFC668%2BbUTDQvJn56Zre2yCOegzuBJydimXxgs%2FhXIqJ6ERdRfyx8nuR80LbCiJ6CYRtQf6meAZyBeQzp8WQrkV8G92wMkVry5SM6vpy0s7ZIbIlVjQYiZU2wL7CbvGaQBOFWTJmw4N1V5uIEiY1fCTf41w8T0x69Ryx5UpbONKqTfw%2Fg5PP09R2pcrmISpnLWyl0JKUPH7QzQGQ%2FbNhySXWUOBKeMAr1a%2BHjqJ0g%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20241007T180106Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYZTTEKKEZGODYWHE%2F20241007%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=c9e40009a9f4b058b221a019b001471e6e442f73f369d8737fe6ecfe55f4e44b

Half! Ha! What a lie. Go drive up and down on Georgia and count how many buses you see.

Ok well, if you think DDOT is literally lying then we don’t really have much to talk about. By they way buses can carry many times more people than cars and hence you’ll see fewer of them than cars yet they will still transport more people than cars. Math!!!

Yes, I do think DDOT is lying. Their flyer for this project says "safety is DDOT's #1 Priority on Georgia Avenue" but they dont mention at all how this plan will divert traffic off Georgia onto all the surrounding streets, where people (including tons of kids) actually live. I believe that's called lying by omission.

in fact there is a LENGTHY discussion of that

no, there isn't. the city actually says "the traffic modeling does not suggest drivers will choose side streets to make their existing trips," which i mean does anyone at ddot actually believe that?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in this plan. They say people will switch to using North Capitol. What?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in all these DDOT plans. Most of them seem to stem from working backwards and trying to justify the idea instead of looking at the data and moving forward.

The proponenets of these plans are also weirdly obsessed with Maryland and think nobody in DC takes these routes.

As for N. Capitol, it will be the last N-S route standing after strangling 16th and finishing off Connecticut and Georgia.

They frequently cite what they call similar bus projects in other, unnamed cities. "On peer city projects, bus ridership increased after the installation of bus lanes." But we already have more than 10 miles of bus only lanes here in DC. They could just use data from that. They don't, which is telling. If the numbers were good, they'd cited them. Instead we get vague references to what happened in other, unnamed cities.

Especially because they did this to 16th Street in 2021. There is no better or more obvious comp but somehow it's gotten the nothing to see here treatment.

If 16th has been a success then they should be publicizing the hell out of it. If it hasn't been a success then why would we be replicating it?

Would it surprise you to know that bus ridership has in fact increased since 2021?

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who is on Georgia almost every day, this plan is strange. Of all the Washingtonians who set foot on Georgia during a day, probably not one in a 100 takes the bus. It's pretty much just all cars.

What is the deal with this city wanting to created dedicated lanes to modes of transportation people don't really use? We have 150 miles of bike lanes for the city's approximately 150 bicyclists. We're going to create a bus lane on a street where only a tiny fraction of the people there using the street take the bus?

22,000 people take buses on Georgia Ave *every day.* That is 1/2 the people traveling on Georgia. It is the busiest bus corridor in DC.

https://ago-item-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/604a004ea0874e08be875c2eda2cfbdf/FAQs.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjENr%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJHMEUCIQDTJtZylTcVyDE8RuINrBcBhWbin80B2D2GJD995wUi4QIgYzVkT9rXJZdFUjoc9cQYu%2Bolhi13EsLGuxBe1iuWqP0qtAUIMhAAGgw2MDQ3NTgxMDI2NjUiDME3OcyG6J0ANtZZRCqRBYQMWngcPj6ErP9CaQ%2FOJpr%2FJGGKehfT2l7TxMP1%2FWlNO0echg0JXnmmOz6HjtSQVgsHgnyOI9kQ7eEF7ItQAiP8XMWyCAfGtvDL8JFL3Uhahy2Zj3PfjIohzC3yW38kgZqODd%2BAsQX8MUIxyseOahs%2Bm68iQ2PnUCi56gH9i2BZXS3x926VPLaTzW7uuaNM1dmYTMWxoHloQO6GzJqi7CJkWATzJhrXP9eyjxT8UkHqXpGi3%2FxtttK%2BKPpgFbY2%2BnREeRZGJQg7CBSzyTbrekV9qi0vrfpZy%2BrDzBzaKlclU8uakaEBfHUPnhsB1Ugt0CPFpx9hERGp9DIHLo2%2BaMWmsog22vLbrTlTiDWlflkUeTKLUpo4mDrIuRQ7bLfapwixgDckUgJcK3EXEmSJx4NpFaIhm7IkEv61kmwmfBYos6DGXuZuOVM05bp1G2mAdPY6rzqTWHmGAhYcvHF%2B%2FrFtVJU9aXKGtGFB%2FWBd%2B1zTt1%2BVxZCOio9krJJ20tb22fbpQLv%2B2MZ%2FoxBvO%2FnDez4zbpRJflIODXXPhtJ1JQRCcFRO0oT%2B0i5a4djWsT%2FsTaj9JSPmmcDL%2BZ8kjSWseVjgZ8%2FacRFHaOcIe1nVGSiU%2BU73Zr7cKtohCXR6t67424a48Ufm4Vlzje338R5tj%2Bh14FKQaTXONqXxkvIBd%2BrIAeDXrNxC74wSTCTT23X3u2A9tO4OP5ZwZnSqmOl4xyb1a58fEjTIbRgEiRQIHqfv4B96w1zA1oFkD53KKD%2BJFO80btfven8w4a2Fa%2FJ8IHcliK9ADYT3wE6Sv%2FxO5Y00Mvquo%2BxsgCN7uYXZDXff%2BVoRK3ept9fFN0Wf1ZhhVe4PDobLKY2r3U02sIuVX7dEDzDFrpC4BjqxASjZEpFC668%2BbUTDQvJn56Zre2yCOegzuBJydimXxgs%2FhXIqJ6ERdRfyx8nuR80LbCiJ6CYRtQf6meAZyBeQzp8WQrkV8G92wMkVry5SM6vpy0s7ZIbIlVjQYiZU2wL7CbvGaQBOFWTJmw4N1V5uIEiY1fCTf41w8T0x69Ryx5UpbONKqTfw%2Fg5PP09R2pcrmISpnLWyl0JKUPH7QzQGQ%2FbNhySXWUOBKeMAr1a%2BHjqJ0g%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20241007T180106Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYZTTEKKEZGODYWHE%2F20241007%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=c9e40009a9f4b058b221a019b001471e6e442f73f369d8737fe6ecfe55f4e44b

Half! Ha! What a lie. Go drive up and down on Georgia and count how many buses you see.

Ok well, if you think DDOT is literally lying then we don’t really have much to talk about. By they way buses can carry many times more people than cars and hence you’ll see fewer of them than cars yet they will still transport more people than cars. Math!!!

Yes, I do think DDOT is lying. Their flyer for this project says "safety is DDOT's #1 Priority on Georgia Avenue" but they dont mention at all how this plan will divert traffic off Georgia onto all the surrounding streets, where people (including tons of kids) actually live. I believe that's called lying by omission.

in fact there is a LENGTHY discussion of that

no, there isn't. the city actually says "the traffic modeling does not suggest drivers will choose side streets to make their existing trips," which i mean does anyone at ddot actually believe that?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in this plan. They say people will switch to using North Capitol. What?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in all these DDOT plans. Most of them seem to stem from working backwards and trying to justify the idea instead of looking at the data and moving forward.

The proponenets of these plans are also weirdly obsessed with Maryland and think nobody in DC takes these routes.

As for N. Capitol, it will be the last N-S route standing after strangling 16th and finishing off Connecticut and Georgia.

Perhaps they're saying Georgia Avenue will be so miserable for people who drive after this project that you'll pine for the hellscape that is North Capitol.

Something really needs to be done about North Capitol. More than 5 people have died on it in the past few years alone, including some in the downtown segments, not just the basically highway layout up by the medical center.

the whole medical center area is just awful - sidewalks like 1 person wide, terrible transit options let alone bike lanes. Even getting an Uber there is confusing with lack of signage. Childrens and Washing Hospital Center no doubt have many or even most patients and employees that don’t have their own cars.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who is on Georgia almost every day, this plan is strange. Of all the Washingtonians who set foot on Georgia during a day, probably not one in a 100 takes the bus. It's pretty much just all cars.

What is the deal with this city wanting to created dedicated lanes to modes of transportation people don't really use? We have 150 miles of bike lanes for the city's approximately 150 bicyclists. We're going to create a bus lane on a street where only a tiny fraction of the people there using the street take the bus?

22,000 people take buses on Georgia Ave *every day.* That is 1/2 the people traveling on Georgia. It is the busiest bus corridor in DC.

https://ago-item-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/604a004ea0874e08be875c2eda2cfbdf/FAQs.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjENr%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJHMEUCIQDTJtZylTcVyDE8RuINrBcBhWbin80B2D2GJD995wUi4QIgYzVkT9rXJZdFUjoc9cQYu%2Bolhi13EsLGuxBe1iuWqP0qtAUIMhAAGgw2MDQ3NTgxMDI2NjUiDME3OcyG6J0ANtZZRCqRBYQMWngcPj6ErP9CaQ%2FOJpr%2FJGGKehfT2l7TxMP1%2FWlNO0echg0JXnmmOz6HjtSQVgsHgnyOI9kQ7eEF7ItQAiP8XMWyCAfGtvDL8JFL3Uhahy2Zj3PfjIohzC3yW38kgZqODd%2BAsQX8MUIxyseOahs%2Bm68iQ2PnUCi56gH9i2BZXS3x926VPLaTzW7uuaNM1dmYTMWxoHloQO6GzJqi7CJkWATzJhrXP9eyjxT8UkHqXpGi3%2FxtttK%2BKPpgFbY2%2BnREeRZGJQg7CBSzyTbrekV9qi0vrfpZy%2BrDzBzaKlclU8uakaEBfHUPnhsB1Ugt0CPFpx9hERGp9DIHLo2%2BaMWmsog22vLbrTlTiDWlflkUeTKLUpo4mDrIuRQ7bLfapwixgDckUgJcK3EXEmSJx4NpFaIhm7IkEv61kmwmfBYos6DGXuZuOVM05bp1G2mAdPY6rzqTWHmGAhYcvHF%2B%2FrFtVJU9aXKGtGFB%2FWBd%2B1zTt1%2BVxZCOio9krJJ20tb22fbpQLv%2B2MZ%2FoxBvO%2FnDez4zbpRJflIODXXPhtJ1JQRCcFRO0oT%2B0i5a4djWsT%2FsTaj9JSPmmcDL%2BZ8kjSWseVjgZ8%2FacRFHaOcIe1nVGSiU%2BU73Zr7cKtohCXR6t67424a48Ufm4Vlzje338R5tj%2Bh14FKQaTXONqXxkvIBd%2BrIAeDXrNxC74wSTCTT23X3u2A9tO4OP5ZwZnSqmOl4xyb1a58fEjTIbRgEiRQIHqfv4B96w1zA1oFkD53KKD%2BJFO80btfven8w4a2Fa%2FJ8IHcliK9ADYT3wE6Sv%2FxO5Y00Mvquo%2BxsgCN7uYXZDXff%2BVoRK3ept9fFN0Wf1ZhhVe4PDobLKY2r3U02sIuVX7dEDzDFrpC4BjqxASjZEpFC668%2BbUTDQvJn56Zre2yCOegzuBJydimXxgs%2FhXIqJ6ERdRfyx8nuR80LbCiJ6CYRtQf6meAZyBeQzp8WQrkV8G92wMkVry5SM6vpy0s7ZIbIlVjQYiZU2wL7CbvGaQBOFWTJmw4N1V5uIEiY1fCTf41w8T0x69Ryx5UpbONKqTfw%2Fg5PP09R2pcrmISpnLWyl0JKUPH7QzQGQ%2FbNhySXWUOBKeMAr1a%2BHjqJ0g%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20241007T180106Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYZTTEKKEZGODYWHE%2F20241007%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=c9e40009a9f4b058b221a019b001471e6e442f73f369d8737fe6ecfe55f4e44b

Half! Ha! What a lie. Go drive up and down on Georgia and count how many buses you see.

Ok well, if you think DDOT is literally lying then we don’t really have much to talk about. By they way buses can carry many times more people than cars and hence you’ll see fewer of them than cars yet they will still transport more people than cars. Math!!!

Yes, I do think DDOT is lying. Their flyer for this project says "safety is DDOT's #1 Priority on Georgia Avenue" but they dont mention at all how this plan will divert traffic off Georgia onto all the surrounding streets, where people (including tons of kids) actually live. I believe that's called lying by omission.

in fact there is a LENGTHY discussion of that

no, there isn't. the city actually says "the traffic modeling does not suggest drivers will choose side streets to make their existing trips," which i mean does anyone at ddot actually believe that?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in this plan. They say people will switch to using North Capitol. What?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in all these DDOT plans. Most of them seem to stem from working backwards and trying to justify the idea instead of looking at the data and moving forward.

The proponenets of these plans are also weirdly obsessed with Maryland and think nobody in DC takes these routes.

As for N. Capitol, it will be the last N-S route standing after strangling 16th and finishing off Connecticut and Georgia.

They frequently cite what they call similar bus projects in other, unnamed cities. "On peer city projects, bus ridership increased after the installation of bus lanes." But we already have more than 10 miles of bus only lanes here in DC. They could just use data from that. They don't, which is telling. If the numbers were good, they'd cited them. Instead we get vague references to what happened in other, unnamed cities.

Especially because they did this to 16th Street in 2021. There is no better or more obvious comp but somehow it's gotten the nothing to see here treatment.

If 16th has been a success then they should be publicizing the hell out of it. If it hasn't been a success then why would we be replicating it?

Would it surprise you to know that bus ridership has in fact increased since 2021?

Depends. It would not surprise me in the least that bus ridership has increased YoY since 2020 and the lockdown. But presumably you aren't trying to pull something that transparently disingenuous.

The question is: how has it changed on 16th since the changes to 16th were made and how do those numbers compare to 2019

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who is on Georgia almost every day, this plan is strange. Of all the Washingtonians who set foot on Georgia during a day, probably not one in a 100 takes the bus. It's pretty much just all cars.

What is the deal with this city wanting to created dedicated lanes to modes of transportation people don't really use? We have 150 miles of bike lanes for the city's approximately 150 bicyclists. We're going to create a bus lane on a street where only a tiny fraction of the people there using the street take the bus?

22,000 people take buses on Georgia Ave *every day.* That is 1/2 the people traveling on Georgia. It is the busiest bus corridor in DC.

https://ago-item-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/604a004ea0874e08be875c2eda2cfbdf/FAQs.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjENr%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJHMEUCIQDTJtZylTcVyDE8RuINrBcBhWbin80B2D2GJD995wUi4QIgYzVkT9rXJZdFUjoc9cQYu%2Bolhi13EsLGuxBe1iuWqP0qtAUIMhAAGgw2MDQ3NTgxMDI2NjUiDME3OcyG6J0ANtZZRCqRBYQMWngcPj6ErP9CaQ%2FOJpr%2FJGGKehfT2l7TxMP1%2FWlNO0echg0JXnmmOz6HjtSQVgsHgnyOI9kQ7eEF7ItQAiP8XMWyCAfGtvDL8JFL3Uhahy2Zj3PfjIohzC3yW38kgZqODd%2BAsQX8MUIxyseOahs%2Bm68iQ2PnUCi56gH9i2BZXS3x926VPLaTzW7uuaNM1dmYTMWxoHloQO6GzJqi7CJkWATzJhrXP9eyjxT8UkHqXpGi3%2FxtttK%2BKPpgFbY2%2BnREeRZGJQg7CBSzyTbrekV9qi0vrfpZy%2BrDzBzaKlclU8uakaEBfHUPnhsB1Ugt0CPFpx9hERGp9DIHLo2%2BaMWmsog22vLbrTlTiDWlflkUeTKLUpo4mDrIuRQ7bLfapwixgDckUgJcK3EXEmSJx4NpFaIhm7IkEv61kmwmfBYos6DGXuZuOVM05bp1G2mAdPY6rzqTWHmGAhYcvHF%2B%2FrFtVJU9aXKGtGFB%2FWBd%2B1zTt1%2BVxZCOio9krJJ20tb22fbpQLv%2B2MZ%2FoxBvO%2FnDez4zbpRJflIODXXPhtJ1JQRCcFRO0oT%2B0i5a4djWsT%2FsTaj9JSPmmcDL%2BZ8kjSWseVjgZ8%2FacRFHaOcIe1nVGSiU%2BU73Zr7cKtohCXR6t67424a48Ufm4Vlzje338R5tj%2Bh14FKQaTXONqXxkvIBd%2BrIAeDXrNxC74wSTCTT23X3u2A9tO4OP5ZwZnSqmOl4xyb1a58fEjTIbRgEiRQIHqfv4B96w1zA1oFkD53KKD%2BJFO80btfven8w4a2Fa%2FJ8IHcliK9ADYT3wE6Sv%2FxO5Y00Mvquo%2BxsgCN7uYXZDXff%2BVoRK3ept9fFN0Wf1ZhhVe4PDobLKY2r3U02sIuVX7dEDzDFrpC4BjqxASjZEpFC668%2BbUTDQvJn56Zre2yCOegzuBJydimXxgs%2FhXIqJ6ERdRfyx8nuR80LbCiJ6CYRtQf6meAZyBeQzp8WQrkV8G92wMkVry5SM6vpy0s7ZIbIlVjQYiZU2wL7CbvGaQBOFWTJmw4N1V5uIEiY1fCTf41w8T0x69Ryx5UpbONKqTfw%2Fg5PP09R2pcrmISpnLWyl0JKUPH7QzQGQ%2FbNhySXWUOBKeMAr1a%2BHjqJ0g%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20241007T180106Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYZTTEKKEZGODYWHE%2F20241007%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=c9e40009a9f4b058b221a019b001471e6e442f73f369d8737fe6ecfe55f4e44b

Half! Ha! What a lie. Go drive up and down on Georgia and count how many buses you see.

Ok well, if you think DDOT is literally lying then we don’t really have much to talk about. By they way buses can carry many times more people than cars and hence you’ll see fewer of them than cars yet they will still transport more people than cars. Math!!!

Yes, I do think DDOT is lying. Their flyer for this project says "safety is DDOT's #1 Priority on Georgia Avenue" but they dont mention at all how this plan will divert traffic off Georgia onto all the surrounding streets, where people (including tons of kids) actually live. I believe that's called lying by omission.

in fact there is a LENGTHY discussion of that

no, there isn't. the city actually says "the traffic modeling does not suggest drivers will choose side streets to make their existing trips," which i mean does anyone at ddot actually believe that?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in this plan. They say people will switch to using North Capitol. What?

Right. They say most trips on Georgia are longer so people aren’t pouring into the side streets - they are taking different N/S routes.

That's plausible. What has happened on 16th Street? Didn't they say the same thing about that project?

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who is on Georgia almost every day, this plan is strange. Of all the Washingtonians who set foot on Georgia during a day, probably not one in a 100 takes the bus. It's pretty much just all cars.

What is the deal with this city wanting to created dedicated lanes to modes of transportation people don't really use? We have 150 miles of bike lanes for the city's approximately 150 bicyclists. We're going to create a bus lane on a street where only a tiny fraction of the people there using the street take the bus?

22,000 people take buses on Georgia Ave *every day.* That is 1/2 the people traveling on Georgia. It is the busiest bus corridor in DC.

https://ago-item-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/604a004ea0874e08be875c2eda2cfbdf/FAQs.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjENr%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJHMEUCIQDTJtZylTcVyDE8RuINrBcBhWbin80B2D2GJD995wUi4QIgYzVkT9rXJZdFUjoc9cQYu%2Bolhi13EsLGuxBe1iuWqP0qtAUIMhAAGgw2MDQ3NTgxMDI2NjUiDME3OcyG6J0ANtZZRCqRBYQMWngcPj6ErP9CaQ%2FOJpr%2FJGGKehfT2l7TxMP1%2FWlNO0echg0JXnmmOz6HjtSQVgsHgnyOI9kQ7eEF7ItQAiP8XMWyCAfGtvDL8JFL3Uhahy2Zj3PfjIohzC3yW38kgZqODd%2BAsQX8MUIxyseOahs%2Bm68iQ2PnUCi56gH9i2BZXS3x926VPLaTzW7uuaNM1dmYTMWxoHloQO6GzJqi7CJkWATzJhrXP9eyjxT8UkHqXpGi3%2FxtttK%2BKPpgFbY2%2BnREeRZGJQg7CBSzyTbrekV9qi0vrfpZy%2BrDzBzaKlclU8uakaEBfHUPnhsB1Ugt0CPFpx9hERGp9DIHLo2%2BaMWmsog22vLbrTlTiDWlflkUeTKLUpo4mDrIuRQ7bLfapwixgDckUgJcK3EXEmSJx4NpFaIhm7IkEv61kmwmfBYos6DGXuZuOVM05bp1G2mAdPY6rzqTWHmGAhYcvHF%2B%2FrFtVJU9aXKGtGFB%2FWBd%2B1zTt1%2BVxZCOio9krJJ20tb22fbpQLv%2B2MZ%2FoxBvO%2FnDez4zbpRJflIODXXPhtJ1JQRCcFRO0oT%2B0i5a4djWsT%2FsTaj9JSPmmcDL%2BZ8kjSWseVjgZ8%2FacRFHaOcIe1nVGSiU%2BU73Zr7cKtohCXR6t67424a48Ufm4Vlzje338R5tj%2Bh14FKQaTXONqXxkvIBd%2BrIAeDXrNxC74wSTCTT23X3u2A9tO4OP5ZwZnSqmOl4xyb1a58fEjTIbRgEiRQIHqfv4B96w1zA1oFkD53KKD%2BJFO80btfven8w4a2Fa%2FJ8IHcliK9ADYT3wE6Sv%2FxO5Y00Mvquo%2BxsgCN7uYXZDXff%2BVoRK3ept9fFN0Wf1ZhhVe4PDobLKY2r3U02sIuVX7dEDzDFrpC4BjqxASjZEpFC668%2BbUTDQvJn56Zre2yCOegzuBJydimXxgs%2FhXIqJ6ERdRfyx8nuR80LbCiJ6CYRtQf6meAZyBeQzp8WQrkV8G92wMkVry5SM6vpy0s7ZIbIlVjQYiZU2wL7CbvGaQBOFWTJmw4N1V5uIEiY1fCTf41w8T0x69Ryx5UpbONKqTfw%2Fg5PP09R2pcrmISpnLWyl0JKUPH7QzQGQ%2FbNhySXWUOBKeMAr1a%2BHjqJ0g%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20241007T180106Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYZTTEKKEZGODYWHE%2F20241007%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=c9e40009a9f4b058b221a019b001471e6e442f73f369d8737fe6ecfe55f4e44b

Half! Ha! What a lie. Go drive up and down on Georgia and count how many buses you see.

Ok well, if you think DDOT is literally lying then we don’t really have much to talk about. By they way buses can carry many times more people than cars and hence you’ll see fewer of them than cars yet they will still transport more people than cars. Math!!!

Yes, I do think DDOT is lying. Their flyer for this project says "safety is DDOT's #1 Priority on Georgia Avenue" but they dont mention at all how this plan will divert traffic off Georgia onto all the surrounding streets, where people (including tons of kids) actually live. I believe that's called lying by omission.

in fact there is a LENGTHY discussion of that

no, there isn't. the city actually says "the traffic modeling does not suggest drivers will choose side streets to make their existing trips," which i mean does anyone at ddot actually believe that?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in this plan. They say people will switch to using North Capitol. What?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in all these DDOT plans. Most of them seem to stem from working backwards and trying to justify the idea instead of looking at the data and moving forward.

The proponenets of these plans are also weirdly obsessed with Maryland and think nobody in DC takes these routes.

As for N. Capitol, it will be the last N-S route standing after strangling 16th and finishing off Connecticut and Georgia.

They frequently cite what they call similar bus projects in other, unnamed cities. "On peer city projects, bus ridership increased after the installation of bus lanes." But we already have more than 10 miles of bus only lanes here in DC. They could just use data from that. They don't, which is telling. If the numbers were good, they'd cited them. Instead we get vague references to what happened in other, unnamed cities.

We BARELY just started enforcing the bus lanes.

oh stop.

the city began rolling out bus-only lanes in 2019 and from the outset said it would vigorously enforce them.

"Starting today, the city will enforce the new rules, with two trucks nearby to haul any vehicles that park in the lanes, and police and traffic officers will ticket violators. The fine for driving or panking in the bus lanes is $200." --The Washington Post, June 3, 2019

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/06/03/these-lanes-are-buses-only-enforcement-new-downtown-bus-lanes-begins-opening-day/

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who is on Georgia almost every day, this plan is strange. Of all the Washingtonians who set foot on Georgia during a day, probably not one in a 100 takes the bus. It's pretty much just all cars.

What is the deal with this city wanting to created dedicated lanes to modes of transportation people don't really use? We have 150 miles of bike lanes for the city's approximately 150 bicyclists. We're going to create a bus lane on a street where only a tiny fraction of the people there using the street take the bus?

22,000 people take buses on Georgia Ave *every day.* That is 1/2 the people traveling on Georgia. It is the busiest bus corridor in DC.

https://ago-item-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/604a004ea0874e08be875c2eda2cfbdf/FAQs.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjENr%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJHMEUCIQDTJtZylTcVyDE8RuINrBcBhWbin80B2D2GJD995wUi4QIgYzVkT9rXJZdFUjoc9cQYu%2Bolhi13EsLGuxBe1iuWqP0qtAUIMhAAGgw2MDQ3NTgxMDI2NjUiDME3OcyG6J0ANtZZRCqRBYQMWngcPj6ErP9CaQ%2FOJpr%2FJGGKehfT2l7TxMP1%2FWlNO0echg0JXnmmOz6HjtSQVgsHgnyOI9kQ7eEF7ItQAiP8XMWyCAfGtvDL8JFL3Uhahy2Zj3PfjIohzC3yW38kgZqODd%2BAsQX8MUIxyseOahs%2Bm68iQ2PnUCi56gH9i2BZXS3x926VPLaTzW7uuaNM1dmYTMWxoHloQO6GzJqi7CJkWATzJhrXP9eyjxT8UkHqXpGi3%2FxtttK%2BKPpgFbY2%2BnREeRZGJQg7CBSzyTbrekV9qi0vrfpZy%2BrDzBzaKlclU8uakaEBfHUPnhsB1Ugt0CPFpx9hERGp9DIHLo2%2BaMWmsog22vLbrTlTiDWlflkUeTKLUpo4mDrIuRQ7bLfapwixgDckUgJcK3EXEmSJx4NpFaIhm7IkEv61kmwmfBYos6DGXuZuOVM05bp1G2mAdPY6rzqTWHmGAhYcvHF%2B%2FrFtVJU9aXKGtGFB%2FWBd%2B1zTt1%2BVxZCOio9krJJ20tb22fbpQLv%2B2MZ%2FoxBvO%2FnDez4zbpRJflIODXXPhtJ1JQRCcFRO0oT%2B0i5a4djWsT%2FsTaj9JSPmmcDL%2BZ8kjSWseVjgZ8%2FacRFHaOcIe1nVGSiU%2BU73Zr7cKtohCXR6t67424a48Ufm4Vlzje338R5tj%2Bh14FKQaTXONqXxkvIBd%2BrIAeDXrNxC74wSTCTT23X3u2A9tO4OP5ZwZnSqmOl4xyb1a58fEjTIbRgEiRQIHqfv4B96w1zA1oFkD53KKD%2BJFO80btfven8w4a2Fa%2FJ8IHcliK9ADYT3wE6Sv%2FxO5Y00Mvquo%2BxsgCN7uYXZDXff%2BVoRK3ept9fFN0Wf1ZhhVe4PDobLKY2r3U02sIuVX7dEDzDFrpC4BjqxASjZEpFC668%2BbUTDQvJn56Zre2yCOegzuBJydimXxgs%2FhXIqJ6ERdRfyx8nuR80LbCiJ6CYRtQf6meAZyBeQzp8WQrkV8G92wMkVry5SM6vpy0s7ZIbIlVjQYiZU2wL7CbvGaQBOFWTJmw4N1V5uIEiY1fCTf41w8T0x69Ryx5UpbONKqTfw%2Fg5PP09R2pcrmISpnLWyl0JKUPH7QzQGQ%2FbNhySXWUOBKeMAr1a%2BHjqJ0g%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20241007T180106Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYZTTEKKEZGODYWHE%2F20241007%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=c9e40009a9f4b058b221a019b001471e6e442f73f369d8737fe6ecfe55f4e44b

Half! Ha! What a lie. Go drive up and down on Georgia and count how many buses you see.

Ok well, if you think DDOT is literally lying then we don’t really have much to talk about. By they way buses can carry many times more people than cars and hence you’ll see fewer of them than cars yet they will still transport more people than cars. Math!!!

Yes, I do think DDOT is lying. Their flyer for this project says "safety is DDOT's #1 Priority on Georgia Avenue" but they dont mention at all how this plan will divert traffic off Georgia onto all the surrounding streets, where people (including tons of kids) actually live. I believe that's called lying by omission.

in fact there is a LENGTHY discussion of that

no, there isn't. the city actually says "the traffic modeling does not suggest drivers will choose side streets to make their existing trips," which i mean does anyone at ddot actually believe that?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in this plan. They say people will switch to using North Capitol. What?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in all these DDOT plans. Most of them seem to stem from working backwards and trying to justify the idea instead of looking at the data and moving forward.

The proponenets of these plans are also weirdly obsessed with Maryland and think nobody in DC takes these routes.

As for N. Capitol, it will be the last N-S route standing after strangling 16th and finishing off Connecticut and Georgia.

They frequently cite what they call similar bus projects in other, unnamed cities. "On peer city projects, bus ridership increased after the installation of bus lanes." But we already have more than 10 miles of bus only lanes here in DC. They could just use data from that. They don't, which is telling. If the numbers were good, they'd cited them. Instead we get vague references to what happened in other, unnamed cities.

We BARELY just started enforcing the bus lanes.

oh stop.

the city began rolling out bus-only lanes in 2019 and from the outset said it would vigorously enforce them.

"Starting today, the city will enforce the new rules, with two trucks nearby to haul any vehicles that park in the lanes, and police and traffic officers will ticket violators. The fine for driving or panking in the bus lanes is $200." --The Washington Post, June 3, 2019

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/06/03/these-lanes-are-buses-only-enforcement-new-downtown-bus-lanes-begins-opening-day/

Dude the automated bus camera just started this summer. Do some basic research NIMBY.

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In this thread: Angry maryland commuters who can't afford to live in DC and are upset that people ride the bus. lol.

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Sounds like DC needs more attainable housing.

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Anonymous wrote:In this thread: Angry maryland commuters who can't afford to live in DC and are upset that people ride the bus. lol.

Nope. It's a bunch of DC residents flabbergasted by the bad ideas of the Navy Yard Bros and wondering why we haven't seen any data on the efficacy of any of these measures.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who is on Georgia almost every day, this plan is strange. Of all the Washingtonians who set foot on Georgia during a day, probably not one in a 100 takes the bus. It's pretty much just all cars.

What is the deal with this city wanting to created dedicated lanes to modes of transportation people don't really use? We have 150 miles of bike lanes for the city's approximately 150 bicyclists. We're going to create a bus lane on a street where only a tiny fraction of the people there using the street take the bus?

22,000 people take buses on Georgia Ave *every day.* That is 1/2 the people traveling on Georgia. It is the busiest bus corridor in DC.

https://ago-item-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/604a004ea0874e08be875c2eda2cfbdf/FAQs.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjENr%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJHMEUCIQDTJtZylTcVyDE8RuINrBcBhWbin80B2D2GJD995wUi4QIgYzVkT9rXJZdFUjoc9cQYu%2Bolhi13EsLGuxBe1iuWqP0qtAUIMhAAGgw2MDQ3NTgxMDI2NjUiDME3OcyG6J0ANtZZRCqRBYQMWngcPj6ErP9CaQ%2FOJpr%2FJGGKehfT2l7TxMP1%2FWlNO0echg0JXnmmOz6HjtSQVgsHgnyOI9kQ7eEF7ItQAiP8XMWyCAfGtvDL8JFL3Uhahy2Zj3PfjIohzC3yW38kgZqODd%2BAsQX8MUIxyseOahs%2Bm68iQ2PnUCi56gH9i2BZXS3x926VPLaTzW7uuaNM1dmYTMWxoHloQO6GzJqi7CJkWATzJhrXP9eyjxT8UkHqXpGi3%2FxtttK%2BKPpgFbY2%2BnREeRZGJQg7CBSzyTbrekV9qi0vrfpZy%2BrDzBzaKlclU8uakaEBfHUPnhsB1Ugt0CPFpx9hERGp9DIHLo2%2BaMWmsog22vLbrTlTiDWlflkUeTKLUpo4mDrIuRQ7bLfapwixgDckUgJcK3EXEmSJx4NpFaIhm7IkEv61kmwmfBYos6DGXuZuOVM05bp1G2mAdPY6rzqTWHmGAhYcvHF%2B%2FrFtVJU9aXKGtGFB%2FWBd%2B1zTt1%2BVxZCOio9krJJ20tb22fbpQLv%2B2MZ%2FoxBvO%2FnDez4zbpRJflIODXXPhtJ1JQRCcFRO0oT%2B0i5a4djWsT%2FsTaj9JSPmmcDL%2BZ8kjSWseVjgZ8%2FacRFHaOcIe1nVGSiU%2BU73Zr7cKtohCXR6t67424a48Ufm4Vlzje338R5tj%2Bh14FKQaTXONqXxkvIBd%2BrIAeDXrNxC74wSTCTT23X3u2A9tO4OP5ZwZnSqmOl4xyb1a58fEjTIbRgEiRQIHqfv4B96w1zA1oFkD53KKD%2BJFO80btfven8w4a2Fa%2FJ8IHcliK9ADYT3wE6Sv%2FxO5Y00Mvquo%2BxsgCN7uYXZDXff%2BVoRK3ept9fFN0Wf1ZhhVe4PDobLKY2r3U02sIuVX7dEDzDFrpC4BjqxASjZEpFC668%2BbUTDQvJn56Zre2yCOegzuBJydimXxgs%2FhXIqJ6ERdRfyx8nuR80LbCiJ6CYRtQf6meAZyBeQzp8WQrkV8G92wMkVry5SM6vpy0s7ZIbIlVjQYiZU2wL7CbvGaQBOFWTJmw4N1V5uIEiY1fCTf41w8T0x69Ryx5UpbONKqTfw%2Fg5PP09R2pcrmISpnLWyl0JKUPH7QzQGQ%2FbNhySXWUOBKeMAr1a%2BHjqJ0g%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20241007T180106Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYZTTEKKEZGODYWHE%2F20241007%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=c9e40009a9f4b058b221a019b001471e6e442f73f369d8737fe6ecfe55f4e44b

Half! Ha! What a lie. Go drive up and down on Georgia and count how many buses you see.

Ok well, if you think DDOT is literally lying then we don’t really have much to talk about. By they way buses can carry many times more people than cars and hence you’ll see fewer of them than cars yet they will still transport more people than cars. Math!!!

Yes, I do think DDOT is lying. Their flyer for this project says "safety is DDOT's #1 Priority on Georgia Avenue" but they dont mention at all how this plan will divert traffic off Georgia onto all the surrounding streets, where people (including tons of kids) actually live. I believe that's called lying by omission.

in fact there is a LENGTHY discussion of that

no, there isn't. the city actually says "the traffic modeling does not suggest drivers will choose side streets to make their existing trips," which i mean does anyone at ddot actually believe that?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in this plan. They say people will switch to using North Capitol. What?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in all these DDOT plans. Most of them seem to stem from working backwards and trying to justify the idea instead of looking at the data and moving forward.

The proponenets of these plans are also weirdly obsessed with Maryland and think nobody in DC takes these routes.

As for N. Capitol, it will be the last N-S route standing after strangling 16th and finishing off Connecticut and Georgia.

They frequently cite what they call similar bus projects in other, unnamed cities. "On peer city projects, bus ridership increased after the installation of bus lanes." But we already have more than 10 miles of bus only lanes here in DC. They could just use data from that. They don't, which is telling. If the numbers were good, they'd cited them. Instead we get vague references to what happened in other, unnamed cities.

We BARELY just started enforcing the bus lanes.

oh stop.

the city began rolling out bus-only lanes in 2019 and from the outset said it would vigorously enforce them.

"Starting today, the city will enforce the new rules, with two trucks nearby to haul any vehicles that park in the lanes, and police and traffic officers will ticket violators. The fine for driving or panking in the bus lanes is $200." --The Washington Post, June 3, 2019

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/06/03/these-lanes-are-buses-only-enforcement-new-downtown-bus-lanes-begins-opening-day/

Dude the automated bus camera just started this summer. Do some basic research NIMBY.

And yet there's still data on traffic diversion, travel time, and everything else. If anything the lack of camera enforcement should underestimate the impact and make the numbers look better.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who is on Georgia almost every day, this plan is strange. Of all the Washingtonians who set foot on Georgia during a day, probably not one in a 100 takes the bus. It's pretty much just all cars.

What is the deal with this city wanting to created dedicated lanes to modes of transportation people don't really use? We have 150 miles of bike lanes for the city's approximately 150 bicyclists. We're going to create a bus lane on a street where only a tiny fraction of the people there using the street take the bus?

22,000 people take buses on Georgia Ave *every day.* That is 1/2 the people traveling on Georgia. It is the busiest bus corridor in DC.

https://ago-item-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/604a004ea0874e08be875c2eda2cfbdf/FAQs.pdf?X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjENr%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCXVzLWVhc3QtMSJHMEUCIQDTJtZylTcVyDE8RuINrBcBhWbin80B2D2GJD995wUi4QIgYzVkT9rXJZdFUjoc9cQYu%2Bolhi13EsLGuxBe1iuWqP0qtAUIMhAAGgw2MDQ3NTgxMDI2NjUiDME3OcyG6J0ANtZZRCqRBYQMWngcPj6ErP9CaQ%2FOJpr%2FJGGKehfT2l7TxMP1%2FWlNO0echg0JXnmmOz6HjtSQVgsHgnyOI9kQ7eEF7ItQAiP8XMWyCAfGtvDL8JFL3Uhahy2Zj3PfjIohzC3yW38kgZqODd%2BAsQX8MUIxyseOahs%2Bm68iQ2PnUCi56gH9i2BZXS3x926VPLaTzW7uuaNM1dmYTMWxoHloQO6GzJqi7CJkWATzJhrXP9eyjxT8UkHqXpGi3%2FxtttK%2BKPpgFbY2%2BnREeRZGJQg7CBSzyTbrekV9qi0vrfpZy%2BrDzBzaKlclU8uakaEBfHUPnhsB1Ugt0CPFpx9hERGp9DIHLo2%2BaMWmsog22vLbrTlTiDWlflkUeTKLUpo4mDrIuRQ7bLfapwixgDckUgJcK3EXEmSJx4NpFaIhm7IkEv61kmwmfBYos6DGXuZuOVM05bp1G2mAdPY6rzqTWHmGAhYcvHF%2B%2FrFtVJU9aXKGtGFB%2FWBd%2B1zTt1%2BVxZCOio9krJJ20tb22fbpQLv%2B2MZ%2FoxBvO%2FnDez4zbpRJflIODXXPhtJ1JQRCcFRO0oT%2B0i5a4djWsT%2FsTaj9JSPmmcDL%2BZ8kjSWseVjgZ8%2FacRFHaOcIe1nVGSiU%2BU73Zr7cKtohCXR6t67424a48Ufm4Vlzje338R5tj%2Bh14FKQaTXONqXxkvIBd%2BrIAeDXrNxC74wSTCTT23X3u2A9tO4OP5ZwZnSqmOl4xyb1a58fEjTIbRgEiRQIHqfv4B96w1zA1oFkD53KKD%2BJFO80btfven8w4a2Fa%2FJ8IHcliK9ADYT3wE6Sv%2FxO5Y00Mvquo%2BxsgCN7uYXZDXff%2BVoRK3ept9fFN0Wf1ZhhVe4PDobLKY2r3U02sIuVX7dEDzDFrpC4BjqxASjZEpFC668%2BbUTDQvJn56Zre2yCOegzuBJydimXxgs%2FhXIqJ6ERdRfyx8nuR80LbCiJ6CYRtQf6meAZyBeQzp8WQrkV8G92wMkVry5SM6vpy0s7ZIbIlVjQYiZU2wL7CbvGaQBOFWTJmw4N1V5uIEiY1fCTf41w8T0x69Ryx5UpbONKqTfw%2Fg5PP09R2pcrmISpnLWyl0JKUPH7QzQGQ%2FbNhySXWUOBKeMAr1a%2BHjqJ0g%3D%3D&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Date=20241007T180106Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Expires=300&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAYZTTEKKEZGODYWHE%2F20241007%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Signature=c9e40009a9f4b058b221a019b001471e6e442f73f369d8737fe6ecfe55f4e44b

Half! Ha! What a lie. Go drive up and down on Georgia and count how many buses you see.

Ok well, if you think DDOT is literally lying then we don’t really have much to talk about. By they way buses can carry many times more people than cars and hence you’ll see fewer of them than cars yet they will still transport more people than cars. Math!!!

Yes, I do think DDOT is lying. Their flyer for this project says "safety is DDOT's #1 Priority on Georgia Avenue" but they dont mention at all how this plan will divert traffic off Georgia onto all the surrounding streets, where people (including tons of kids) actually live. I believe that's called lying by omission.

in fact there is a LENGTHY discussion of that

no, there isn't. the city actually says "the traffic modeling does not suggest drivers will choose side streets to make their existing trips," which i mean does anyone at ddot actually believe that?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in this plan. They say people will switch to using North Capitol. What?

There's a lot of odd assumptions in all these DDOT plans. Most of them seem to stem from working backwards and trying to justify the idea instead of looking at the data and moving forward.

The proponenets of these plans are also weirdly obsessed with Maryland and think nobody in DC takes these routes.

As for N. Capitol, it will be the last N-S route standing after strangling 16th and finishing off Connecticut and Georgia.

They frequently cite what they call similar bus projects in other, unnamed cities. "On peer city projects, bus ridership increased after the installation of bus lanes." But we already have more than 10 miles of bus only lanes here in DC. They could just use data from that. They don't, which is telling. If the numbers were good, they'd cited them. Instead we get vague references to what happened in other, unnamed cities.

Especially because they did this to 16th Street in 2021. There is no better or more obvious comp but somehow it's gotten the nothing to see here treatment.

If 16th has been a success then they should be publicizing the hell out of it. If it hasn't been a success then why would we be replicating it?

Some of our bus only lanes are five years old. Why is there no data from *any* of them?

If the data showed other bus only lanes in DC increased bus ridership, you can be sure the city would be touting that here. They're not, which tells you something.

DC’s transit has bounced back more quickly than almost any other city

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Anonymous wrote:In this thread: Angry maryland commuters who can't afford to live in DC and are upset that people ride the bus. lol.

Nope. It's a bunch of DC residents flabbergasted by the bad ideas of the Navy Yard Bros and wondering why we haven't seen any data on the efficacy of any of these measures.

Navy Yard is great?