2024 US News rankings

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Selective colleges now have a real reason that impacts their brand to actively recruit from the poorest areas, which I like.

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U Penn down the toilet lol

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Anonymous wrote:Rutgers-Camden cracks the top 100!

Three branches of Rutgers, UDel, Temple, and Drexel all in the T100.

New Jersey is the California of the East.

Delaware has been in the T100 for many years.

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Anonymous wrote:Idiots.

1 Princeton
2 MIT
3 (Tie) Harvard, Stanford
5 Yale
6 UPenn
7 (Tie) CalTech, Duke
9 (Tie) Brown, JHU, Northwestern
12 (Tie) Columbia, Cornell, UChicago
15 (Tie) UCLA, UCB
17 Rice
18 (Tie) Dartmouth, Vanderbilt
20 Notre Dame
21 UMich
22 Georgetown
23 UNC
24 (Tie) CMU, Emory, Virgina, WashU StL
28 UCD, UCSD, UF, USC

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

I don't have a problem with the schools listed 1-24. I quibble about the order. Berkeley and UCLA are obviously good schools. But the only reason they're in the top 15 is because USNWR no longer cares about class size. Both schools have classes with more than a 1000 students, which is ridiculous. That's not happening at Rice, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame and other schools they've displaced. And USNWR seems to think six years is a reasonable time to graduate, which again helps UCLA and Berkeley where a lot of students have a hard time getting into all their required classes within four years. Again, not a problem at Rice, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, and Notre Dame.

And then there's the fixation on Pell Grant students. And a reminder, colleges have no idea if a potential student will get a Pell Grant at the time of admittance. Obviously, two schools from the most economically diverse state in the country with a collective 90,000 students are going to clean up with the Pell Grant boost. With the exception of UC Merced, nearly all the UCs are now top 35 schools. Irvine, San Diego, Santa Barbara. And UC Merced is now ranked 60.

60!

UC Merced!

Out of 4000 colleges and universities!

Also think Penn, JHU, and Brown are ranked too high. But whatever.

The real absurdities are everything that happens below 24.

I don't know what this list is supposed to measure, but it's definitely not the Best National Universities in America

+1000, to make money, US News has gone bonkers with their methodology. The quality of these institutions do not change so suddenly in one year. To generate profits, US News created a new index based on the number/graduation of Pell Grant and first generation students. How does this matter to the quality of the education? Schools will now game this index by accepting more Pell and FG students and "making sure" these students graduate even if they are failing classes.

US News tweaks the methodology so long as HYPSM occupies the top 5 or a slight variation. So long as these schools are in that top tranche then people assume there is some legitimacy...

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Anonymous wrote:Should USNWR rank the service academies like they do? They must very loosely fit into USNWR's definition of a liberal arts college based on their degree granting but it is a big stretch to compare the Naval Academy with Amherst or Swarthmore. I'm surprised the service academies award at least half of their degrees in the liberal arts fields of study. Otherwise they'd be in the USNWR Regional Colleges category, where schools focus on undergraduate education but grant fewer than half their degrees in liberal arts disciplines.

I glanced at WSJ and Forbes and it didn't look like they rank the military academies in their combined rankings.

Is it fair to compare CalTech with Yale? Or Dartmouth with UCLA?

Schools are different. Most academy grads do their four years of service and that's it. Employers seem to like them and regard them as well educated as people that went to Amherst and Swarthmore.

CalTech, Yale, Dartmouth and UCLA are all highly competitive academic schools as reflected by the intellectual caliber of their respective undergrad student cohorts. The service academies are outliers in this respect.

CalTech, Yale, Dartmouth and UCLA are also all elite R1 universities, which essentially means they stress their research and PhD programs.
Also, if you go to a service academy, you have to serve a minimum of 5 years. I'm not sure where you get your data on their grades doing their "four years and that's it."

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Anonymous wrote:U Penn down the toilet lol

I was expecting Penn to break into top 5, but it did get close.

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I will say in their defense that if USNWR wanted to maximize clicks and ad sales they wouldn't continue to keep Princeton and Williams at #1. Changes at the very top are what would generate more headlines and buzz than Chicago sliding to 12, the UC schools moving up, or WashU dropping a few slots.

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Anonymous wrote:This is NOT this year’s ranking!!

I found that if I reloaded the page on my browser, the 2024 rankings loaded. Though it looks a little glitchy tonight.

Just eat the crow lady. After your double !!

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Anonymous wrote:Idiots.

1 Princeton
2 MIT
3 (Tie) Harvard, Stanford
5 Yale
6 UPenn
7 (Tie) CalTech, Duke
9 (Tie) Brown, JHU, Northwestern
12 (Tie) Columbia, Cornell, UChicago
15 (Tie) UCLA, UCB
17 Rice
18 (Tie) Dartmouth, Vanderbilt
20 Notre Dame
21 UMich
22 Georgetown
23 UNC
24 (Tie) CMU, Emory, Virgina, WashU StL
28 UCD, UCSD, UF, USC

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

This is better than last year's, and still the most credible among the bevy of new rankings out there.

How so?

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Anonymous wrote:All the ivys except Dartmouth moved up. Surprised by a few like UNC and UMich and poor WashU. Disappointed in Emory thought they would move up to 20.

UMich should be at the same ranking level as UCLA and Berkeley. It's more well rounded academically and geographically.

Totally agree. I am no huge booster but it is definitely as good as UCLA and UCB. It is not an Ivy but next best thing. Has absolutely everything for every kind of student.

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The first school to massively increase their enrollment of first-gen, Pell recipients wins the brass key.

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Anonymous wrote:It's baffling that Michigan and UNC are ranked so high compared to UVA. In Virginia, Michigan is regarded as a safety school and UVA is much better. UVA has a much lower acceptance rate and the SAT scores are much higher, this ranking is a joke.

In Virginia (VA resident for 26 years), Michigan is regarded as a better school in general than UVA and UVA has a higher acceptance rate than Michigan. UVA should be ranked around 30.

Nope. It's much harder for a VA kid from NoVA to get into UVA than UMich. Half our neighborhood is attending UMich currently and the parents would have much rather have saved a ton of $$$ if they could have gotten into UVA and have said as much.

And, my friends from AA say it's the EXACT SAME there re getting into UMich. Your point....

Overall, there is a bigger gap in gpa/test scores between in state and out of state students in Michigan than Virginia. You can look it up if you like.

That is quite true. It's much easier to get in in-state to Michigan. They need top students. Which is why it has 50% OOS and no (?) other state flagship does. Michigan needs those high stat kids from OOS and international

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Anonymous wrote:All the ivys except Dartmouth moved up. Surprised by a few like UNC and UMich and poor WashU. Disappointed in Emory thought they would move up to 20.

UMich should be at the same ranking level as UCLA and Berkeley. It's more well rounded academically and geographically.

Totally agree. I am no huge booster but it is definitely as good as UCLA and UCB. It is not an Ivy but next best thing. Has absolutely everything for every kind of student.

Does it excel for students who want a small, residential collegiate experience?

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Anonymous wrote:"But more than a dozen public universities, many of them with relatively low profiles, climbed at least 50 spots in the rankings. Fresno State moved up 64 places, to No. 185, for instance, and Florida Atlantic ascended 53, to No. 209. Many other public institutions recorded smaller, if notable, gains, like Rutgers, which saw each of its three campuses rise by at least 15 places.

They benefited from an algorithm that sent some private universities’ rankings plummeting but represented an effort to account for deals that higher education leaders routinely talk up, like transforming the lives of economically disadvantaged students...

The reworked formula assigned greater emphasis to graduation rates for students who received need-based Pell grants and retention. It also introduced metrics tied to first-generation college students and to whether recent graduates were earning more than people who had completed only high school...

The company discarded five factors that often favored wealthy colleges and together made up 18 percent of a school’s score, including undergraduate class sizes, alumni giving rates and high school class standing...
Private universities proved particularly vulnerable to the new formula. Small class size, which was 8 percent of a score a year ago, is a matter of pride for many elite institutions. Its disappearance from the algorithm played a role in some top schools’ rankings tumbling.

The University of Chicago, No. 6 last year, moved down to No. 12. Dartmouth declined six places to finish at No. 18. Washington University in St. Louis, which was No. 15 last year, slipped to 24th. Brandeis, now ranked 60th, fell 16 spots, almost as much as Wake Forest, which declined 18 spots to tie for No. 47. Tulane went to No. 73 from No. 44...

U.S. News is accustomed to complaints. The publisher has given no signal, though, that it is interested in abandoning a system that brings in millions of eyeballs — and dollars."

Fresno State. I'm dying laughing. Next we will here Cal State Fullerton is T25.

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Anonymous wrote:All the ivys except Dartmouth moved up. Surprised by a few like UNC and UMich and poor WashU. Disappointed in Emory thought they would move up to 20.

UMich should be at the same ranking level as UCLA and Berkeley. It's more well rounded academically and geographically.

Totally agree. I am no huge booster but it is definitely as good as UCLA and UCB. It is not an Ivy but next best thing. Has absolutely everything for every kind of student.

Does it excel for students who want a small, residential collegiate experience?

dp.. if you want "small", you don't want UMich, UCLA or Cal.