The state of MCPS is atrocious

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Anonymous wrote:And if your source is from 2019, it’s irrelevant. COVID revealed to a ton of parents how awful MCPS really is.

Moreover, only 17% of the people contacted for the 2019 survey responded.

https://moco360.media/2019/10/03/parents-pleased-with-mcps-survey-shows/

And yet they keep sending their kids to MCPS schools, while they themselves do little to affect any change or want to increase taxes to pay for their champagne wishes.

What choice do most of us have? Not everyone is wealthy or living in a "good" school district. The only "affordable" privates are Catholic schools and that's only for elementary. Only a few Catholic schools are remotely welcoming to non-Catholic/non-Christian families. The rest of us cannot afford $50-60K privates, and there are very few privates let alone non-religious ones.

And, the privates don't have the same math track come MS/HS.

The school district is MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:So wait high schoolers in moco don’t even get textbooks anymore? Lmao what?!

And guess what — apparently we’re supposed to be ok with it and private school parents are idiots for opting out of this clown show!

The mast majority of MoCo parents are ok with it. Private school parents still live and have nostalgia of the dark ages.
Welcome to the 21st century!

No, many of us are not ok with it. Kids test scores and performance are way down. Funny thing once they took away textbooks and structured teaching things declined.

DCUM is not real world. Majority of REAL MoCo residents (82%) are satisfied with MCPS.
Welcome to the real world.

Most moco residents don’t have kids in mcps.

Wrong.
Over 85% of MoCo residents send their kids to MCPS.

What?! That is completely false. Why are it posting blatant misinformation.

How is that even possible?

You do realize that many MoCo residents don’t even have kids.

Common sense people! Key words: "send their kids". It's obvious it's talking about residents that have kids.

No. That’s not an issue of common sense.

Did you learn how to write from MCPS?

If the PP meant to say 85% of Montgomery County’s ‘families with kids’ send their kids to MCPS’ then that is what she should have written.

Though, that would also be false. Especially post-Covid.

Not really.

July 2022 Census population estimate: 1,052,521
Persons under 5 years, percent: 5.7%
Persons under 18 years, percent: 22.5%

So:
Persons aged 5-17 years, percent: 16.8%
Persons aged 5-17 years: 176,824

MCPS enrollment, September 2022: 160,489 (90.7% of the number of persons aged 5-17 years)
keeping in mind that a large percent of the 4,243 pre-Kers were aged 4
and a small percent of the 11,866 seniors were aged 18

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is a shell of its past. First no SRO's, now more protection for the principals? WTF

I find it interesting that MCPS is getting the blame here not the quoted problem:

And that aggressive behavior isn’t from students — it’s “parents and community members.

+1. The thread should be "The state of MCPS parents is atrocious"

+1. Schools are microcosm of society. So until we begin to fix those problems in earnest schools will continue to deteriorate. The funny thing is that studying other education systems in the world pointed to the fact that the problem that exist in the US education system actual are cultural in nature and larger than one school district.

Don’t believe this, let’s look at Finland

Sure. Let’s look at the demographics of Finland. Are you prepared to fight for similar demographics here in Montgomery County?

For those who don't know:

Finland had no private or religious schools.
Finland has huge social welfare systems.
Finland holds k
Students and parents responsible if there is an issue in a class.

Not comparable to the US at all.

Finland does have private and religious schools. The majority of which are in the capital region. These schools are preferred by the UMC Finns and expat population who do not want their kids in the local Finnish schools (for good reason).

Finnish schools are notorious for turning a blind eye to bullying and racism. Most Finnish and foreign parents are too afraid to address issues with school staff for fear of retaliation. Hence the reason so many foreign families have their kids in private or international schools. Even the Swedish speakers in Finland attend their own schools and Universities.

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Anonymous wrote:So wait high schoolers in moco don’t even get textbooks anymore? Lmao what?!

And guess what — apparently we’re supposed to be ok with it and private school parents are idiots for opting out of this clown show!

The mast majority of MoCo parents are ok with it. Private school parents still live and have nostalgia of the dark ages.
Welcome to the 21st century!

No, many of us are not ok with it. Kids test scores and performance are way down. Funny thing once they took away textbooks and structured teaching things declined.

DCUM is not real world. Majority of REAL MoCo residents (82%) are satisfied with MCPS.
Welcome to the real world.

Most moco residents don’t have kids in mcps.

Wrong.
Over 85% of MoCo residents send their kids to MCPS.

What?! That is completely false. Why are it posting blatant misinformation.

How is that even possible?

You do realize that many MoCo residents don’t even have kids.

Common sense people! Key words: "send their kids". It's obvious it's talking about residents that have kids.

No. That’s not an issue of common sense.

Did you learn how to write from MCPS?

If the PP meant to say 85% of Montgomery County’s ‘families with kids’ send their kids to MCPS’ then that is what she should have written.

Though, that would also be false. Especially post-Covid.

Well common sense tells me residents without kids cannot send their kids to MCPS or any other schools. It doesn't have to be explicitly explained to me.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So wait high schoolers in moco don’t even get textbooks anymore? Lmao what?!

And guess what — apparently we’re supposed to be ok with it and private school parents are idiots for opting out of this clown show!

The mast majority of MoCo parents are ok with it. Private school parents still live and have nostalgia of the dark ages.
Welcome to the 21st century!

No, many of us are not ok with it. Kids test scores and performance are way down. Funny thing once they took away textbooks and structured teaching things declined.

DCUM is not real world. Majority of REAL MoCo residents (82%) are satisfied with MCPS.
Welcome to the real world.

Most moco residents don’t have kids in mcps.

Wrong.
Over 85% of MoCo residents send their kids to MCPS.

What?! That is completely false. Why are it posting blatant misinformation.

How is that even possible?

You do realize that many MoCo residents don’t even have kids.

Common sense people! Key words: "send their kids". It's obvious it's talking about residents that have kids.

No. That’s not an issue of common sense.

Did you learn how to write from MCPS?

If the PP meant to say 85% of Montgomery County’s ‘families with kids’ send their kids to MCPS’ then that is what she should have written.

Though, that would also be false. Especially post-Covid.

Well common sense tells me residents without kids cannot send their kids to MCPS or any other schools. It doesn't have to be explicitly explained to me.

I think it was supposed to be: 85% of school-aged kids in Montgomery County are in MCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS is a shell of its past. First no SRO's, now more protection for the principals? WTF

I find it interesting that MCPS is getting the blame here not the quoted problem:

And that aggressive behavior isn’t from students — it’s “parents and community members.

+1. The thread should be "The state of MCPS parents is atrocious"

+1. Schools are microcosm of society. So until we begin to fix those problems in earnest schools will continue to deteriorate. The funny thing is that studying other education systems in the world pointed to the fact that the problem that exist in the US education system actual are cultural in nature and larger than one school district.

Don’t believe this, let’s look at Finland

Sure. Let’s look at the demographics of Finland. Are you prepared to fight for similar demographics here in Montgomery County?

For those who don't know:

Finland had no private or religious schools.
Finland has huge social welfare systems.
Finland holds k
Students and parents responsible if there is an issue in a class.

Not comparable to the US at all.

Finland does have private and religious schools. The majority of which are in the capital region. These schools are preferred by the UMC Finns and expat population who do not want their kids in the local Finnish schools (for good reason).

Finnish schools are notorious for turning a blind eye to bullying and racism. Most Finnish and foreign parents are too afraid to address issues with school staff for fear of retaliation. Hence the reason so many foreign families have their kids in private or international schools. Even the Swedish speakers in Finland attend their own schools and Universities.

Finland isn't' comparable and not relevant so I don't get why someone keeps bringing them up. If you prefer Finland, move there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if your source is from 2019, it’s irrelevant. COVID revealed to a ton of parents how awful MCPS really is.

Moreover, only 17% of the people contacted for the 2019 survey responded.

https://moco360.media/2019/10/03/parents-pleased-with-mcps-survey-shows/

And yet they keep sending their kids to MCPS schools, while they themselves do little to affect any change or want to increase taxes to pay for their champagne wishes.

What choice do most of us have? Not everyone is wealthy or living in a "good" school district. The only "affordable" privates are Catholic schools and that's only for elementary. Only a few Catholic schools are remotely welcoming to non-Catholic/non-Christian families. The rest of us cannot afford $50-60K privates, and there are very few privates let alone non-religious ones.

And, the privates don't have the same math track come MS/HS.

Every private I’ve seen has MS/HS math tracks.

They aren't equal. Of course they have MS/HS math tracks but often Algebra isn't started till 8th, or even 9th, vs. MCPS is 6/7th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if your source is from 2019, it’s irrelevant. COVID revealed to a ton of parents how awful MCPS really is.

Moreover, only 17% of the people contacted for the 2019 survey responded.

https://moco360.media/2019/10/03/parents-pleased-with-mcps-survey-shows/

And yet they keep sending their kids to MCPS schools, while they themselves do little to affect any change or want to increase taxes to pay for their champagne wishes.

What choice do most of us have? Not everyone is wealthy or living in a "good" school district. The only "affordable" privates are Catholic schools and that's only for elementary. Only a few Catholic schools are remotely welcoming to non-Catholic/non-Christian families. The rest of us cannot afford $50-60K privates, and there are very few privates let alone non-religious ones.

And, the privates don't have the same math track come MS/HS.

Every private I’ve seen has MS/HS math tracks.

They aren't equal. Of course they have MS/HS math tracks but often Algebra isn't started till 8th, or even 9th, vs. MCPS is 6/7th grade.

And it’s been shown that pushing kids too fast in math isn’t always appropriate. It’s not as though MCPS kids are excelling in math; far from it. So this wouldn’t be what I brag about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if your source is from 2019, it’s irrelevant. COVID revealed to a ton of parents how awful MCPS really is.

Moreover, only 17% of the people contacted for the 2019 survey responded.

https://moco360.media/2019/10/03/parents-pleased-with-mcps-survey-shows/

And yet they keep sending their kids to MCPS schools, while they themselves do little to affect any change or want to increase taxes to pay for their champagne wishes.

What choice do most of us have? Not everyone is wealthy or living in a "good" school district. The only "affordable" privates are Catholic schools and that's only for elementary. Only a few Catholic schools are remotely welcoming to non-Catholic/non-Christian families. The rest of us cannot afford $50-60K privates, and there are very few privates let alone non-religious ones.

And, the privates don't have the same math track come MS/HS.

Every private I’ve seen has MS/HS math tracks.

They aren't equal. Of course they have MS/HS math tracks but often Algebra isn't started till 8th, or even 9th, vs. MCPS is 6/7th grade.

And it’s been shown that pushing kids too fast in math isn’t always appropriate. It’s not as though MCPS kids are excelling in math; far from it. So this wouldn’t be what I brag about.

That's what is nice about public is they have a huge range of math classes come middle school for kids of all needs. Privates don't have many options and its often 1-2 classes or once size fits all. It is a positive thing for kids who care ok doing it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if your source is from 2019, it’s irrelevant. COVID revealed to a ton of parents how awful MCPS really is.

Moreover, only 17% of the people contacted for the 2019 survey responded.

https://moco360.media/2019/10/03/parents-pleased-with-mcps-survey-shows/

And yet they keep sending their kids to MCPS schools, while they themselves do little to affect any change or want to increase taxes to pay for their champagne wishes.

What choice do most of us have? Not everyone is wealthy or living in a "good" school district. The only "affordable" privates are Catholic schools and that's only for elementary. Only a few Catholic schools are remotely welcoming to non-Catholic/non-Christian families. The rest of us cannot afford $50-60K privates, and there are very few privates let alone non-religious ones.

And, the privates don't have the same math track come MS/HS.

Every private I’ve seen has MS/HS math tracks.

They aren't equal. Of course they have MS/HS math tracks but often Algebra isn't started till 8th, or even 9th, vs. MCPS is 6/7th grade.

And it’s been shown that pushing kids too fast in math isn’t always appropriate. It’s not as though MCPS kids are excelling in math; far from it. So this wouldn’t be what I brag about.

That's what is nice about public is they have a huge range of math classes come middle school for kids of all needs. Privates don't have many options and its often 1-2 classes or once size fits all. It is a positive thing for kids who care ok doing it.

What you don’t see is how teachers differentiate within classes, though. My daughter was in a lower ES class this year that, on paper, doesn’t have math tracks. Her teachers still gave her more challenging work. Small class sizes allow for highly individualized instruction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if your source is from 2019, it’s irrelevant. COVID revealed to a ton of parents how awful MCPS really is.

Moreover, only 17% of the people contacted for the 2019 survey responded.

https://moco360.media/2019/10/03/parents-pleased-with-mcps-survey-shows/

And yet they keep sending their kids to MCPS schools, while they themselves do little to affect any change or want to increase taxes to pay for their champagne wishes.

What choice do most of us have? Not everyone is wealthy or living in a "good" school district. The only "affordable" privates are Catholic schools and that's only for elementary. Only a few Catholic schools are remotely welcoming to non-Catholic/non-Christian families. The rest of us cannot afford $50-60K privates, and there are very few privates let alone non-religious ones.

And, the privates don't have the same math track come MS/HS.

I used to think this. Then I took my child out of MCPS and put him in a Catholic k-8. (We aren’t Catholic.) He is now excelling at a Catholic high school. We have never experienced anything other than acceptance as non-Catholics. It has been a great experience and I am thrilled by the effectiveness of the teachers. He’s really learning how to write! As for Math, it’s true that the K-8 didn’t offer Algebra until 8th. Why exactly is that a problem? Students can still take Calculus in high school and kids from Catholic high schools aren’t having problems getting into colleges.

I’d give the Catholic schools another look.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if your source is from 2019, it’s irrelevant. COVID revealed to a ton of parents how awful MCPS really is.

Moreover, only 17% of the people contacted for the 2019 survey responded.

https://moco360.media/2019/10/03/parents-pleased-with-mcps-survey-shows/

And yet they keep sending their kids to MCPS schools, while they themselves do little to affect any change or want to increase taxes to pay for their champagne wishes.

What choice do most of us have? Not everyone is wealthy or living in a "good" school district. The only "affordable" privates are Catholic schools and that's only for elementary. Only a few Catholic schools are remotely welcoming to non-Catholic/non-Christian families. The rest of us cannot afford $50-60K privates, and there are very few privates let alone non-religious ones.

And, the privates don't have the same math track come MS/HS.

Every private I’ve seen has MS/HS math tracks.

They aren't equal. Of course they have MS/HS math tracks but often Algebra isn't started till 8th, or even 9th, vs. MCPS is 6/7th grade.

And it’s been shown that pushing kids too fast in math isn’t always appropriate. It’s not as though MCPS kids are excelling in math; far from it. So this wouldn’t be what I brag about.

This! I have a friend who teaches math at a state university. He says it would be better if middle/high schools slowed down and spent more time on Algebra instead of pushing kids through at young ages. The number of remedial Math classes at his university is growing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if your source is from 2019, it’s irrelevant. COVID revealed to a ton of parents how awful MCPS really is.

Moreover, only 17% of the people contacted for the 2019 survey responded.

https://moco360.media/2019/10/03/parents-pleased-with-mcps-survey-shows/

And yet they keep sending their kids to MCPS schools, while they themselves do little to affect any change or want to increase taxes to pay for their champagne wishes.

What choice do most of us have? Not everyone is wealthy or living in a "good" school district. The only "affordable" privates are Catholic schools and that's only for elementary. Only a few Catholic schools are remotely welcoming to non-Catholic/non-Christian families. The rest of us cannot afford $50-60K privates, and there are very few privates let alone non-religious ones.

And, the privates don't have the same math track come MS/HS.

Every private I’ve seen has MS/HS math tracks.

They aren't equal. Of course they have MS/HS math tracks but often Algebra isn't started till 8th, or even 9th, vs. MCPS is 6/7th grade.

And it’s been shown that pushing kids too fast in math isn’t always appropriate. It’s not as though MCPS kids are excelling in math; far from it. So this wouldn’t be what I brag about.

This! I have a friend who teaches math at a state university. He says it would be better if middle/high schools slowed down and spent more time on Algebra instead of pushing kids through at young ages. The number of remedial Math classes at his university is growing.

The same thing with reading. I like that my daughter’s K-8 considers reading “a slow burn” that stretches from K through 2nd. I saw firsthand how pushing her too fast severely undermined her confidence. When we pulled back and really took it step by step, her confidence got SO much stronger.

It’s not all about acceleration. The pedagogy simply doesn’t support it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if your source is from 2019, it’s irrelevant. COVID revealed to a ton of parents how awful MCPS really is.

Moreover, only 17% of the people contacted for the 2019 survey responded.

https://moco360.media/2019/10/03/parents-pleased-with-mcps-survey-shows/

And yet they keep sending their kids to MCPS schools, while they themselves do little to affect any change or want to increase taxes to pay for their champagne wishes.

What choice do most of us have? Not everyone is wealthy or living in a "good" school district. The only "affordable" privates are Catholic schools and that's only for elementary. Only a few Catholic schools are remotely welcoming to non-Catholic/non-Christian families. The rest of us cannot afford $50-60K privates, and there are very few privates let alone non-religious ones.

And, the privates don't have the same math track come MS/HS.

I used to think this. Then I took my child out of MCPS and put him in a Catholic k-8. (We aren’t Catholic.) He is now excelling at a Catholic high school. We have never experienced anything other than acceptance as non-Catholics. It has been a great experience and I am thrilled by the effectiveness of the teachers. He’s really learning how to write! As for Math, it’s true that the K-8 didn’t offer Algebra until 8th. Why exactly is that a problem? Students can still take Calculus in high school and kids from Catholic high schools aren’t having problems getting into colleges.

I’d give the Catholic schools another look.

I looked at about 6 Catholics and only one was welcoming. There is a difference between being Christian and another religion or atheist. They had a more structured curriculum but the religion was a huge issue, several were pretty clear they didn't want non-Christians and when I asked how many non-Christians there were, none would tell me except the one.

The problem with starting later is it impacts other classes you take. You are looking for reasons to justify your choices and if you have a kid who should be on a regular or slower path, that makes sense but it comes an issue with higher level science and other STEM related things. Often the private school kids have to take geometry in summer school to make up for the slower pace. Most smarter kids take it in 7th.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if your source is from 2019, it’s irrelevant. COVID revealed to a ton of parents how awful MCPS really is.

Moreover, only 17% of the people contacted for the 2019 survey responded.

https://moco360.media/2019/10/03/parents-pleased-with-mcps-survey-shows/

And yet they keep sending their kids to MCPS schools, while they themselves do little to affect any change or want to increase taxes to pay for their champagne wishes.

What choice do most of us have? Not everyone is wealthy or living in a "good" school district. The only "affordable" privates are Catholic schools and that's only for elementary. Only a few Catholic schools are remotely welcoming to non-Catholic/non-Christian families. The rest of us cannot afford $50-60K privates, and there are very few privates let alone non-religious ones.

And, the privates don't have the same math track come MS/HS.

Every private I’ve seen has MS/HS math tracks.

They aren't equal. Of course they have MS/HS math tracks but often Algebra isn't started till 8th, or even 9th, vs. MCPS is 6/7th grade.

And it’s been shown that pushing kids too fast in math isn’t always appropriate. It’s not as though MCPS kids are excelling in math; far from it. So this wouldn’t be what I brag about.

This! I have a friend who teaches math at a state university. He says it would be better if middle/high schools slowed down and spent more time on Algebra instead of pushing kids through at young ages. The number of remedial Math classes at his university is growing.

They don't need more time. Algebra has always been a one year class (and then Algebra 2), however what has changed is the teaching style, curriculum and lack of text books. They don't review homework so kids don't get any support on where they struggle.