Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top

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Anonymous wrote:And this is why DeSantis (or another Republican if his ilk) May very well win in 2024. Wokeneds in schools has really gone too far. I say this is a liberal Democrat.

YOu are not a "liberal dem"

DeSantis is he wins will destroy us. He will be KING OF THE US. WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT HOW HORRIFIC THAT WILL BE?

I struggle to understand how people think that conservatives who cut taxes and reduce government programs are moving towards monarchy. Monarchy is the control of free enterprise - not opening it up.

Because those same conservatives support white nationalism, a Christian nation, environmental dystopia, subjugation based on limiting voting and gerrymanding, exempting political leadership from the common laws of our country and a consolidation of wealth to an oligarch class. That isn't very conservative, now is it?

More tinfoil.

[Anonymous]

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NP to this thread; I am NOT the PP to whom you are addressing your questions and comments. But I'd like to jump in with my opinion, as a parent of kids in DC area privates who are expressing the same situations. (Same school? Possibly.)

The reason that I am paying the exorbitant price that I am for my kids' MS and US-level education is that I expect them to get exactly that - an education. I am not interested in them being preached at, indoctrinated with or introduced to concepts that are controversial and personal at best, and wrong and destructive at worst. School is not the place to discuss one's own or others' sexuality, gender identity, etc. That is something that we handle at home, as a family and within the parameters of our religious, moral and family cultural beliefs.

I understand that there are kids in the school who are not being brought up in the way that mine are, and who have parents who feel differently about the desire to have their kids affirmed by the school in whatever it is they are currently struggling with. However, that should not come at the expense of everyone else's desire for a solid, science-based, well-rounded liberal arts education. How about this - you insist that the curriculum include books on and by trans kids and alternatively structured families; I insist that the curriculum include books on the value of and need to pursue religious truth. Now is everyone happy?

It is very easy to pull your kid if you don't like the curriculum. Here is where I disagree with you. Generally speaking, anyone reading this forum was raised in an environment where a lot of our US history was swept under the rug or ignored all together. We were raised with the idea that Catcher in the Rye is a great American classic (which it is, I am not disputing that) but there are other American writers, musicians and philosophers who are not white, not straight, not male, and their perspectives help weave the tapestry that make our country great. If we cannot accept those perspectives and ideas in our schools, then when can we expect our kids to be exposed to ideas and culture outside of their areas of experience? It is really easy to teach an African American kid about James Madison. Why can't we teach a white kid about James Baldwin or Frederick Douglas?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:And this is why DeSantis (or another Republican if his ilk) May very well win in 2024. Wokeneds in schools has really gone too far. I say this is a liberal Democrat.

YOu are not a "liberal dem"

DeSantis is he wins will destroy us. He will be KING OF THE US. WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT HOW HORRIFIC THAT WILL BE?

I struggle to understand how people think that conservatives who cut taxes and reduce government programs are moving towards monarchy. Monarchy is the control of free enterprise - not opening it up.

Because those same conservatives support white nationalism, a Christian nation, environmental dystopia, subjugation based on limiting voting and gerrymanding, exempting political leadership from the common laws of our country and a consolidation of wealth to an oligarch class. That isn't very conservative, now is it?

More tinfoil.

Please show where the post if factually inaccurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh no the reading comprehension boring lady is back. You made my day. Let me remind you that no one likes your condescending and unintelligent posts. Find a new shtick

DP. yes, i'm tired of the lazy people who shout "reading comprehension" on this site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why can't we teach a white kid about James Baldwin or Frederick Douglas?

History is written by the victors, so white people get to determine the truth. Duh!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP to this thread; I am NOT the PP to whom you are addressing your questions and comments. But I'd like to jump in with my opinion, as a parent of kids in DC area privates who are expressing the same situations. (Same school? Possibly.)

The reason that I am paying the exorbitant price that I am for my kids' MS and US-level education is that I expect them to get exactly that - an education. I am not interested in them being preached at, indoctrinated with or introduced to concepts that are controversial and personal at best, and wrong and destructive at worst. School is not the place to discuss one's own or others' sexuality, gender identity, etc. That is something that we handle at home, as a family and within the parameters of our religious, moral and family cultural beliefs.

I understand that there are kids in the school who are not being brought up in the way that mine are, and who have parents who feel differently about the desire to have their kids affirmed by the school in whatever it is they are currently struggling with. However, that should not come at the expense of everyone else's desire for a solid, science-based, well-rounded liberal arts education. How about this - you insist that the curriculum include books on and by trans kids and alternatively structured families; I insist that the curriculum include books on the value of and need to pursue religious truth. Now is everyone happy?

It is very easy to pull your kid if you don't like the curriculum. Here is where I disagree with you. Generally speaking, anyone reading this forum was raised in an environment where a lot of our US history was swept under the rug or ignored all together. We were raised with the idea that Catcher in the Rye is a great American classic (which it is, I am not disputing that) but there are other American writers, musicians and philosophers who are not white, not straight, not male, and their perspectives help weave the tapestry that make our country great. If we cannot accept those perspectives and ideas in our schools, then when can we expect our kids to be exposed to ideas and culture outside of their areas of experience? It is really easy to teach an African American kid about James Madison. Why can't we teach a white kid about James Baldwin or Frederick Douglas?

[Anonymous]

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Just came across this thread and look forward to reading the whole thing this evening but, as a parent of kids in a hard-left elite DC private school, I have been growing more and more concerned about what my kids have been taught. For example, all or almost all books in an English class are by black authors (rather than what you might expect - a mix from various backgrounds and ethnicities). Also, I’ve gleaned that my kids seem to think being gay or transgender is not merely to be respected and not criticized; rather, being gay or going trans apparently is taught as something that is … normal. Books read by middle schoolers (novels?!) include soft porn kissing and petting pre-teens; transgender activists are celebrated speakers at school assemblies. A sign outside the college counseling office says, with rainbows and butterflies around, something like “gender is who you are and what you believe.” Gee, that’s great for the @90% of kids who have a hard time in middle and upper school who feel awkward, anxious, and/or are having a hard time making friends (and trying to figure out why they aren’t one of the popular kids). Anyway - big sigh. Glad others are frustrated with the extreme left indoctrination that seems to be the rule at some of DC’s private schools.

I sincerely want to thank this poster for articulating what exactly is "woke" that is bothering them at their school.

That being said - I'm wondering if you can verify that all of the books being read in English class for the entire year were written by black authors? Could you share the list here? Are you sure you weren't just looking at a list for this month, black history month, and maybe they were focusing on specific authors for the month? Did you look up every author to confirm their race?

I'm also wondering if you can clarify what "soft porn" is? How did these passages come to your attention? Did your child bring them to you? Do you read the books assigned to your kids? Would you prefer no books with kissing at all? Where would you consider a line that is less "extreme"

In your opinion are trans speakers more "celebrated" than other speakers at the school. Or are you upset that a trans person spoke at your school at all. Could you share a list of all the speakers at your school this year and would that list show a specific agenda? Were there many trans speakers or one in a long list of speakers on a variety of topics? Or are you just mad about this one speaker coming at all.

Would you prefer - or consider it less of an "agenda" - if your school just ignored the existence of trans kids? One sign by the counsellors office targeting support for a particularly at risk group doesn't seem extreme. What would your reaction be if there was sign targeting a different at risk group outside that office? Were there any other signs outside the office or just one solitary sign of support for trans kids?

What I'm trying to get at here is that there is a narrative being driven by politicians and political operatives that "Woke Schools have gone to far." These articles and speeches and news stories are often low on facts or context. They are just meant to create a gut feeling. That reading black authors has gone too far! That supporting trans kids has gone too far! ect. Some support would be fine but what schools are doing right now is too much support!!! This is done so that whenever you as a parent see anything about a black author or speaker or trans author or speaker your first thought is "TOO FAR" not to think about the context of that only being a small percentage of what your child is exposed to. The ultimate goal, by bad actors, being to ban all books by black authors and all support for trans kids. So I would ask anyone whose reading this to really consider what their own definition is of TOO FAR and what they would consider an acceptable amount of school support for these groups/ideas before freaking out.

NP to this thread; I am NOT the PP to whom you are addressing your questions and comments. But I'd like to jump in with my opinion, as a parent of kids in DC area privates who are expressing the same situations. (Same school? Possibly.)

The reason that I am paying the exorbitant price that I am for my kids' MS and US-level education is that I expect them to get exactly that - an education. I am not interested in them being preached at, indoctrinated with or introduced to concepts that are controversial and personal at best, and wrong and destructive at worst. School is not the place to discuss one's own or others' sexuality, gender identity, etc. That is something that we handle at home, as a family and within the parameters of our religious, moral and family cultural beliefs.

I understand that there are kids in the school who are not being brought up in the way that mine are, and who have parents who feel differently about the desire to have their kids affirmed by the school in whatever it is they are currently struggling with. However, that should not come at the expense of everyone else's desire for a solid, science-based, well-rounded liberal arts education. How about this - you insist that the curriculum include books on and by trans kids and alternatively structured families; I insist that the curriculum include books on the value of and need to pursue religious truth. Now is everyone happy?

And this is exactly why we are allowed to choose where we want to send our children. If one school doesn’t support white supremacy enough, it’s easy to find another that will.

Oh look, she's back. The really cute girl who has nothing of substance to say, so she makes everything about "white supremacy."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP to this thread; I am NOT the PP to whom you are addressing your questions and comments. But I'd like to jump in with my opinion, as a parent of kids in DC area privates who are expressing the same situations. (Same school? Possibly.)

The reason that I am paying the exorbitant price that I am for my kids' MS and US-level education is that I expect them to get exactly that - an education. I am not interested in them being preached at, indoctrinated with or introduced to concepts that are controversial and personal at best, and wrong and destructive at worst. School is not the place to discuss one's own or others' sexuality, gender identity, etc. That is something that we handle at home, as a family and within the parameters of our religious, moral and family cultural beliefs.

I understand that there are kids in the school who are not being brought up in the way that mine are, and who have parents who feel differently about the desire to have their kids affirmed by the school in whatever it is they are currently struggling with. However, that should not come at the expense of everyone else's desire for a solid, science-based, well-rounded liberal arts education. How about this - you insist that the curriculum include books on and by trans kids and alternatively structured families; I insist that the curriculum include books on the value of and need to pursue religious truth. Now is everyone happy?

It is very easy to pull your kid if you don't like the curriculum. Here is where I disagree with you. Generally speaking, anyone reading this forum was raised in an environment where a lot of our US history was swept under the rug or ignored all together. We were raised with the idea that Catcher in the Rye is a great American classic (which it is, I am not disputing that) but there are other American writers, musicians and philosophers who are not white, not straight, not male, and their perspectives help weave the tapestry that make our country great. If we cannot accept those perspectives and ideas in our schools, then when can we expect our kids to be exposed to ideas and culture outside of their areas of experience? It is really easy to teach an African American kid about James Madison. Why can't we teach a white kid about James Baldwin or Frederick Douglas?

Why is this funny? I’m sure people of all races misspell the last name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this is why DeSantis (or another Republican if his ilk) May very well win in 2024. Wokeneds in schools has really gone too far. I say this is a liberal Democrat.

YOu are not a "liberal dem"

DeSantis is he wins will destroy us. He will be KING OF THE US. WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT HOW HORRIFIC THAT WILL BE?

I struggle to understand how people think that conservatives who cut taxes and reduce government programs are moving towards monarchy. Monarchy is the control of free enterprise - not opening it up.

Because those same conservatives support white nationalism, a Christian nation, environmental dystopia, subjugation based on limiting voting and gerrymanding, exempting political leadership from the common laws of our country and a consolidation of wealth to an oligarch class. That isn't very conservative, now is it?

More tinfoil.

exactly. The OP is simply full of shit and MSNBC bias.

[Anonymous]

The fact is, wokeness has gone too far in many private schools. The curricular changes, the types of speakers brought in, the recommended reading lists. It’s just all a bit much. We are mainstream Democrats, but this is too much, even for us. The pendulum has swung too far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact is, wokeness has gone too far in many private schools. The curricular changes, the types of speakers brought in, the recommended reading lists. It’s just all a bit much. We are mainstream Democrats, but this is too much, even for us. The pendulum has swung too far.

Agree.

[Anonymous]

I was once in a Halcyon conference. A black panelist on the stage told audience - “if you look like me, I will invest in you. If not, too bad. “ Is this a racist as well?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact is, wokeness has gone too far in many private schools. The curricular changes, the types of speakers brought in, the recommended reading lists. It’s just all a bit much. We are mainstream Democrats, but this is too much, even for us. The pendulum has swung too far.

Concur. Backfiring with the kids and their peers too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Just came across this thread and look forward to reading the whole thing this evening but, as a parent of kids in a hard-left elite DC private school, I have been growing more and more concerned about what my kids have been taught. For example, all or almost all books in an English class are by black authors (rather than what you might expect - a mix from various backgrounds and ethnicities). Also, I’ve gleaned that my kids seem to think being gay or transgender is not merely to be respected and not criticized; rather, being gay or going trans apparently is taught as something that is … normal. Books read by middle schoolers (novels?!) include soft porn kissing and petting pre-teens; transgender activists are celebrated speakers at school assemblies. A sign outside the college counseling office says, with rainbows and butterflies around, something like “gender is who you are and what you believe.” Gee, that’s great for the @90% of kids who have a hard time in middle and upper school who feel awkward, anxious, and/or are having a hard time making friends (and trying to figure out why they aren’t one of the popular kids). Anyway - big sigh. Glad others are frustrated with the extreme left indoctrination that seems to be the rule at some of DC’s private schools.

I sincerely want to thank this poster for articulating what exactly is "woke" that is bothering them at their school.

That being said - I'm wondering if you can verify that all of the books being read in English class for the entire year were written by black authors? Could you share the list here? Are you sure you weren't just looking at a list for this month, black history month, and maybe they were focusing on specific authors for the month? Did you look up every author to confirm their race?

I'm also wondering if you can clarify what "soft porn" is? How did these passages come to your attention? Did your child bring them to you? Do you read the books assigned to your kids? Would you prefer no books with kissing at all? Where would you consider a line that is less "extreme"

In your opinion are trans speakers more "celebrated" than other speakers at the school. Or are you upset that a trans person spoke at your school at all. Could you share a list of all the speakers at your school this year and would that list show a specific agenda? Were there many trans speakers or one in a long list of speakers on a variety of topics? Or are you just mad about this one speaker coming at all.

Would you prefer - or consider it less of an "agenda" - if your school just ignored the existence of trans kids? One sign by the counsellors office targeting support for a particularly at risk group doesn't seem extreme. What would your reaction be if there was sign targeting a different at risk group outside that office? Were there any other signs outside the office or just one solitary sign of support for trans kids?

What I'm trying to get at here is that there is a narrative being driven by politicians and political operatives that "Woke Schools have gone to far." These articles and speeches and news stories are often low on facts or context. They are just meant to create a gut feeling. That reading black authors has gone too far! That supporting trans kids has gone too far! ect. Some support would be fine but what schools are doing right now is too much support!!! This is done so that whenever you as a parent see anything about a black author or speaker or trans author or speaker your first thought is "TOO FAR" not to think about the context of that only being a small percentage of what your child is exposed to. The ultimate goal, by bad actors, being to ban all books by black authors and all support for trans kids. So I would ask anyone whose reading this to really consider what their own definition is of TOO FAR and what they would consider an acceptable amount of school support for these groups/ideas before freaking out.

NP to this thread; I am NOT the PP to whom you are addressing your questions and comments. But I'd like to jump in with my opinion, as a parent of kids in DC area privates who are expressing the same situations. (Same school? Possibly.)

The reason that I am paying the exorbitant price that I am for my kids' MS and US-level education is that I expect them to get exactly that - an education. I am not interested in them being preached at, indoctrinated with or introduced to concepts that are controversial and personal at best, and wrong and destructive at worst. School is not the place to discuss one's own or others' sexuality, gender identity, etc. That is something that we handle at home, as a family and within the parameters of our religious, moral and family cultural beliefs.

I understand that there are kids in the school who are not being brought up in the way that mine are, and who have parents who feel differently about the desire to have their kids affirmed by the school in whatever it is they are currently struggling with. However, that should not come at the expense of everyone else's desire for a solid, science-based, well-rounded liberal arts education. How about this - you insist that the curriculum include books on and by trans kids and alternatively structured families; I insist that the curriculum include books on the value of and need to pursue religious truth. Now is everyone happy?

And this is exactly why we are allowed to choose where we want to send our children. If one school doesn’t support white supremacy enough, it’s easy to find another that will.

Oh look, she's back. The really cute girl who has nothing of substance to say, so she makes everything about "white supremacy."

Let’s not pretend people don’t really think this way. They just don’t openly admit it around here.

[Anonymous]

Let's assume for a minute that "wokeness" whatever that is has really gone too far - even if that were true how does it affect your privileged child going to one of the fancy private schools in DC? There is zero negative consequences and they are learning a different perspective (even if you disagree with it) which builds critical thinking skills. If you think the education is poor than go to a "better" school but that doesn't seem to be tied to how woke or unwoke it is