ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:For boys, what I see is at MLS Next only 2 tiers (Homegrown and Academy).

However at US Clubs side I see at least 4 tiers: ECNL, ECRL, NPL1, NPL2 …, so more leagues, more clubs, more players, and consequently more money.







ECNL and US Club have done a good job of building an eco system of youth soccer with levels from Top to Bottom.

MLSN is catching on which is why they created MLSN2 and GA started the Aspire league. Don’t be surprised to see a MLSN3 and a MLSNY (Youth) with U9-12 teams playing in games and cups.


MLSN does not have the capacity to do that. They aren't even running MLSN2 (they just gave the branding out and the league is actually multiple leagues being run by other orgs).

While I generally agree that MLSN is the 'best' boy's league, anyone who has been involved with them for any amount of time knows how understaffed, unprepared and generally barely capable of doing what they're doing now let alone adding on.

If they decide to continue the route of just giving out their branding to random regional youth leagues (in attempt to accomplish this) it will ultimately damage their image and be counter productive.

It is time to shit or get off the pot for MLSN. Next few months will be telling.


My guess is GA staff still run the league but GA becomes the official girls affiliate of MLSN. I have no idea how it all will workout but I’ve been told it’s already a done deal.


Aren’t they already? I hope some of the organization and communication from GA rubs off on mlsnext.


They have a partnership currently however MLSN will fully take over GA and begin their own governance.
Seems like more of a formality than reality. GA already announced SY so I doubt they go back. That said, they will need to operate relatively independently for some time. I don’t think this changes much in the foreseeable future. It would be great if ecnl adds relegation. I suppose it’s possible but seems complex to operate at least when thinking about the DMV and all the alliances. For example, FVU would dissolve if they got relegated. I don’t see them around in a couple of years to get promoted back.


GA is staying SY. Much more likely that mlsnext goes SY than GA reverts back to BY. All of soccer will be 8/1 as of 26/27, just <b>waiting on decision from mlsnext</b>.


Taking into consideration that some tryouts in CA are pretty near in tome, anybody knows when would be MLSNEXT's deadline for making/announcing a final decision?



Someone posted on here previously that a decision is expected by January. They’ve known about this for more than a year, an announcement should have come by September like GA.
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Anonymous wrote:For boys, what I see is at MLS Next only 2 tiers (Homegrown and Academy).

However at US Clubs side I see at least 4 tiers: ECNL, ECRL, NPL1, NPL2 …, so more leagues, more clubs, more players, and consequently more money.







ECNL and US Club have done a good job of building an eco system of youth soccer with levels from Top to Bottom.

MLSN is catching on which is why they created MLSN2 and GA started the Aspire league. Don’t be surprised to see a MLSN3 and a MLSNY (Youth) with U9-12 teams playing in games and cups.


MLSN does not have the capacity to do that. They aren't even running MLSN2 (they just gave the branding out and the league is actually multiple leagues being run by other orgs).

While I generally agree that MLSN is the 'best' boy's league, anyone who has been involved with them for any amount of time knows how understaffed, unprepared and generally barely capable of doing what they're doing now let alone adding on.

If they decide to continue the route of just giving out their branding to random regional youth leagues (in attempt to accomplish this) it will ultimately damage their image and be counter productive.

It is time to shit or get off the pot for MLSN. Next few months will be telling.


My guess is GA staff still run the league but GA becomes the official girls affiliate of MLSN. I have no idea how it all will workout but I’ve been told it’s already a done deal.


Aren’t they already? I hope some of the organization and communication from GA rubs off on mlsnext.


They have a partnership currently however MLSN will fully take over GA and begin their own governance.
Seems like more of a formality than reality. GA already announced SY so I doubt they go back. That said, they will need to operate relatively independently for some time. I don’t think this changes much in the foreseeable future. It would be great if ecnl adds relegation. I suppose it’s possible but seems complex to operate at least when thinking about the DMV and all the alliances. For example, FVU would dissolve if they got relegated. I don’t see them around in a couple of years to get promoted back.


GA is staying SY. Much more likely that mlsnext goes SY than GA reverts back to BY. All of soccer will be 8/1 as of 26/27, just <b>waiting on decision from mlsnext</b>.


Taking into consideration that some tryouts in CA are pretty near in tome, anybody knows when would be MLSNEXT's deadline for making/announcing a final decision?



Someone posted on here previously that a decision is expected by January. They’ve known about this for more than a year, an announcement should have come by September like GA.


So in case of "no announcenment" by January/February we should think that MLSN is staying BY for 2026/27, because delaying the decission until Spring would be too late for many clubs ... am I right?

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Anonymous wrote:For boys, what I see is at MLS Next only 2 tiers (Homegrown and Academy).

However at US Clubs side I see at least 4 tiers: ECNL, ECRL, NPL1, NPL2 …, so more leagues, more clubs, more players, and consequently more money.







ECNL and US Club have done a good job of building an eco system of youth soccer with levels from Top to Bottom.

MLSN is catching on which is why they created MLSN2 and GA started the Aspire league. Don’t be surprised to see a MLSN3 and a MLSNY (Youth) with U9-12 teams playing in games and cups.


MLSN does not have the capacity to do that. They aren't even running MLSN2 (they just gave the branding out and the league is actually multiple leagues being run by other orgs).

While I generally agree that MLSN is the 'best' boy's league, anyone who has been involved with them for any amount of time knows how understaffed, unprepared and generally barely capable of doing what they're doing now let alone adding on.

If they decide to continue the route of just giving out their branding to random regional youth leagues (in attempt to accomplish this) it will ultimately damage their image and be counter productive.

It is time to shit or get off the pot for MLSN. Next few months will be telling.


My guess is GA staff still run the league but GA becomes the official girls affiliate of MLSN. I have no idea how it all will workout but I’ve been told it’s already a done deal.


Aren’t they already? I hope some of the organization and communication from GA rubs off on mlsnext.


They have a partnership currently however MLSN will fully take over GA and begin their own governance.
Seems like more of a formality than reality. GA already announced SY so I doubt they go back. That said, they will need to operate relatively independently for some time. I don’t think this changes much in the foreseeable future. It would be great if ecnl adds relegation. I suppose it’s possible but seems complex to operate at least when thinking about the DMV and all the alliances. For example, FVU would dissolve if they got relegated. I don’t see them around in a couple of years to get promoted back.


GA is staying SY. Much more likely that mlsnext goes SY than GA reverts back to BY. All of soccer will be 8/1 as of 26/27, just <b>waiting on decision from mlsnext</b>.


Taking into consideration that some tryouts in CA are pretty near in tome, anybody knows when would be MLSNEXT's deadline for making/announcing a final decision?



Someone posted on here previously that a decision is expected by January. They’ve known about this for more than a year, an announcement should have come by September like GA.


So in case of "no announcenment" by January/February we should think that MLSN is staying BY for 2026/27, because delaying the decission until Spring would be too late for many clubs ... am I right?



No, they’ve told their clubs they are evaluating. They’ll announce either way.
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Anonymous wrote:For boys, what I see is at MLS Next only 2 tiers (Homegrown and Academy).

However at US Clubs side I see at least 4 tiers: ECNL, ECRL, NPL1, NPL2 …, so more leagues, more clubs, more players, and consequently more money.







ECNL and US Club have done a good job of building an eco system of youth soccer with levels from Top to Bottom.

MLSN is catching on which is why they created MLSN2 and GA started the Aspire league. Don’t be surprised to see a MLSN3 and a MLSNY (Youth) with U9-12 teams playing in games and cups.


MLSN does not have the capacity to do that. They aren't even running MLSN2 (they just gave the branding out and the league is actually multiple leagues being run by other orgs).

While I generally agree that MLSN is the 'best' boy's league, anyone who has been involved with them for any amount of time knows how understaffed, unprepared and generally barely capable of doing what they're doing now let alone adding on.

If they decide to continue the route of just giving out their branding to random regional youth leagues (in attempt to accomplish this) it will ultimately damage their image and be counter productive.

It is time to shit or get off the pot for MLSN. Next few months will be telling.


My guess is GA staff still run the league but GA becomes the official girls affiliate of MLSN. I have no idea how it all will workout but I’ve been told it’s already a done deal.


Aren’t they already? I hope some of the organization and communication from GA rubs off on mlsnext.


They have a partnership currently however MLSN will fully take over GA and begin their own governance.
Seems like more of a formality than reality. GA already announced SY so I doubt they go back. That said, they will need to operate relatively independently for some time. I don’t think this changes much in the foreseeable future. It would be great if ecnl adds relegation. I suppose it’s possible but seems complex to operate at least when thinking about the DMV and all the alliances. For example, FVU would dissolve if they got relegated. I don’t see them around in a couple of years to get promoted back.


GA is staying SY. Much more likely that mlsnext goes SY than GA reverts back to BY. All of soccer will be 8/1 as of 26/27, just <b>waiting on decision from mlsnext</b>.


Taking into consideration that some tryouts in CA are pretty near in tome, anybody knows when would be MLSNEXT's deadline for making/announcing a final decision?



Someone posted on here previously that a decision is expected by January. They’ve known about this for more than a year, an announcement should have come by September like GA.


So in case of "no announcenment" by January/February we should think that MLSN is staying BY for 2026/27, because delaying the decission until Spring would be too late for many clubs ... am I right?



No, they’ve told their clubs they are evaluating. They’ll announce either way.


Yeah, they have to say something. Even if it is "we're not changing anything". They have an entire new ecosystem of clubs out there via MLSN2 who have no idea what to do.
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Anonymous wrote:For boys, what I see is at MLS Next only 2 tiers (Homegrown and Academy).

However at US Clubs side I see at least 4 tiers: ECNL, ECRL, NPL1, NPL2 …, so more leagues, more clubs, more players, and consequently more money.







ECNL and US Club have done a good job of building an eco system of youth soccer with levels from Top to Bottom.

MLSN is catching on which is why they created MLSN2 and GA started the Aspire league. Don’t be surprised to see a MLSN3 and a MLSNY (Youth) with U9-12 teams playing in games and cups.


MLSN does not have the capacity to do that. They aren't even running MLSN2 (they just gave the branding out and the league is actually multiple leagues being run by other orgs).

While I generally agree that MLSN is the 'best' boy's league, anyone who has been involved with them for any amount of time knows how understaffed, unprepared and generally barely capable of doing what they're doing now let alone adding on.

If they decide to continue the route of just giving out their branding to random regional youth leagues (in attempt to accomplish this) it will ultimately damage their image and be counter productive.

It is time to shit or get off the pot for MLSN. Next few months will be telling.


My guess is GA staff still run the league but GA becomes the official girls affiliate of MLSN. I have no idea how it all will workout but I’ve been told it’s already a done deal.


Aren’t they already? I hope some of the organization and communication from GA rubs off on mlsnext.


They have a partnership currently however MLSN will fully take over GA and begin their own governance.
Seems like more of a formality than reality. GA already announced SY so I doubt they go back. That said, they will need to operate relatively independently for some time. I don’t think this changes much in the foreseeable future. It would be great if ecnl adds relegation. I suppose it’s possible but seems complex to operate at least when thinking about the DMV and all the alliances. For example, FVU would dissolve if they got relegated. I don’t see them around in a couple of years to get promoted back.


GA is staying SY. Much more likely that mlsnext goes SY than GA reverts back to BY. All of soccer will be 8/1 as of 26/27, just <b>waiting on decision from mlsnext</b>.


Taking into consideration that some tryouts in CA are pretty near in tome, anybody knows when would be MLSNEXT's deadline for making/announcing a final decision?



SoCal 2012 tryout is in February, so we should have the MLSN decision announcement before that. I would put my bet on SY.
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I wouldn’t put anything past mlsnext. They rolled out msln2 with no information. They could stay BY and then oops, change their mind 2 years later.

The feeder system doesn’t become an issue until 27/28 so they could wait and announce a change to SY later.
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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t put anything past mlsnext. They rolled out msln2 with no information. They could stay BY and then oops, change their mind 2 years later.

The feeder system doesn’t become an issue until 27/28 so they could wait and announce a change to SY later.


I agree, I think that is what they were doing (basically doing nothing with the caveat that they could switch gears whenever they wanted if they felt the need) until GA went SY and a bunch of their P2P clubs and their new MLSN2 clubs all pitched a fit and asked for (gasp!) an actual answer on the record. So now they're stuck in the weakest position possible.

You might be thinking, "but how could they not know this might come up"? Weird, right? It is almost like they are incompetent but that can't be right.
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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t put anything past mlsnext. They rolled out msln2 with no information. They could stay BY and then oops, change their mind 2 years later.

The feeder system doesn’t become an issue until 27/28 so they could wait and announce a change to SY later.


I agree, I think that is what they were doing (basically doing nothing with the caveat that they could switch gears whenever they wanted if they felt the need) until GA went SY and a bunch of their P2P clubs and their new MLSN2 clubs all pitched a fit and asked for (gasp!) an actual answer on the record. So now they're stuck in the weakest position possible.

You might be thinking, "but how could they not know this might come up"? Weird, right? It is almost like they are incompetent but that can't be right.


So weird. It’s been discussed on here for 9 months and 1000 pages but just came out of nowhere for them.
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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t put anything past mlsnext. They rolled out msln2 with no information. They could stay BY and then oops, change their mind 2 years later.

The feeder system doesn’t become an issue until 27/28 so they could wait and announce a change to SY later.


I agree, I think that is what they were doing (basically doing nothing with the caveat that they could switch gears whenever they wanted if they felt the need) until GA went SY and a bunch of their P2P clubs and their new MLSN2 clubs all pitched a fit and asked for (gasp!) an actual answer on the record. So now they're stuck in the weakest position possible.

You might be thinking, "but how could they not know this might come up"? Weird, right? It is almost like they are incompetent but that can't be right.


So weird. It’s been discussed on here for 9 months and 1000 pages but just came out of nowhere for them.


The only thing I can think of (as a semi-legit excuse for how they are/were handling this beyond just sheer incompetence) is that, because they were not going to follow USSF's recommendations and not go along with everyone else, they were asked to not really chime in on it at all and therefore avoid controversy. It would look sort of bad if one of the primary youth soccer leagues in the US basically told USSF (publicly) that they're dumb and they were not going to follow their new recs. So the compromise was that they just wouldn't say anything (publicly).

Which would be fine if MLSN was just the pro academies. But they're not. They're a regular youth league just like all of the other leagues (who happen to have a cool name and some pro academies playing in the league). And then they added a second, purely P2P, league into the mix. Still poorly handled by them but I can at least understand why they stayed quiet for a while.
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Has anyone heard anything regarding if Futsal is switching to a school year registration?
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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t put anything past mlsnext. They rolled out msln2 with no information. They could stay BY and then oops, change their mind 2 years later.

The feeder system doesn’t become an issue until 27/28 so they could wait and announce a change to SY later.


I agree, I think that is what they were doing (basically doing nothing with the caveat that they could switch gears whenever they wanted if they felt the need) until GA went SY and a bunch of their P2P clubs and their new MLSN2 clubs all pitched a fit and asked for (gasp!) an actual answer on the record. So now they're stuck in the weakest position possible.

You might be thinking, "but how could they not know this might come up"? Weird, right? It is almost like they are incompetent but that can't be right.


So weird. It’s been discussed on here for 9 months and 1000 pages but just came out of nowhere for them.


The only thing I can think of (as a semi-legit excuse for how they are/were handling this beyond just sheer incompetence) is that, because they were not going to follow USSF's recommendations and not go along with everyone else, they were asked to not really chime in on it at all and therefore avoid controversy. It would look sort of bad if one of the primary youth soccer leagues in the US basically told USSF (publicly) that they're dumb and they were not going to follow their new recs. So the compromise was that they just wouldn't say anything (publicly).

Which would be fine if MLSN was just the pro academies. But they're not. They're a regular youth league just like all of the other leagues (who happen to have a cool name and some pro academies playing in the league). And then they added a second, purely P2P, league into the mix. Still poorly handled by them but I can at least understand why they stayed quiet for a while.


They didn’t have to come out and announce BY but they should have been internally evaluating the obstacles they would face and coming up with solutions. How should their p2p clubs organize their feeder system? How can mlsn2 stay BY to keep first and second team age cutoffs consistent while still allowing high school soccer for mlsn2? How to expand the league when everyone else uses 8/1?

All of these issues have been discussed for months on here. Instead of spending that time creating solutions (like partnering with ulittle leagues around the country to keep them BY), it appears they were completely oblivious to this.
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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t put anything past mlsnext. They rolled out msln2 with no information. They could stay BY and then oops, change their mind 2 years later.

The feeder system doesn’t become an issue until 27/28 so they could wait and announce a change to SY later.


I agree, I think that is what they were doing (basically doing nothing with the caveat that they could switch gears whenever they wanted if they felt the need) until GA went SY and a bunch of their P2P clubs and their new MLSN2 clubs all pitched a fit and asked for (gasp!) an actual answer on the record. So now they're stuck in the weakest position possible.

You might be thinking, "but how could they not know this might come up"? Weird, right? It is almost like they are incompetent but that can't be right.


So weird. It’s been discussed on here for 9 months and 1000 pages but just came out of nowhere for them.


The only thing I can think of (as a semi-legit excuse for how they are/were handling this beyond just sheer incompetence) is that, because they were not going to follow USSF's recommendations and not go along with everyone else, they were asked to not really chime in on it at all and therefore avoid controversy. It would look sort of bad if one of the primary youth soccer leagues in the US basically told USSF (publicly) that they're dumb and they were not going to follow their new recs. So the compromise was that they just wouldn't say anything (publicly).

Which would be fine if MLSN was just the pro academies. But they're not. They're a regular youth league just like all of the other leagues (who happen to have a cool name and some pro academies playing in the league). And then they added a second, purely P2P, league into the mix. Still poorly handled by them but I can at least understand why they stayed quiet for a while.


They didn’t have to come out and announce BY but they should have been internally evaluating the obstacles they would face and coming up with solutions. How should their p2p clubs organize their feeder system? How can mlsn2 stay BY to keep first and second team age cutoffs consistent while still allowing high school soccer for mlsn2? How to expand the league when everyone else uses 8/1?

All of these issues have been discussed for months on here. Instead of spending that time creating solutions (like partnering with ulittle leagues around the country to keep them BY), it appears they were completely oblivious to this.


They clearly don't pay attention to this thread.
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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t put anything past mlsnext. They rolled out msln2 with no information. They could stay BY and then oops, change their mind 2 years later.

The feeder system doesn’t become an issue until 27/28 so they could wait and announce a change to SY later.


I agree, I think that is what they were doing (basically doing nothing with the caveat that they could switch gears whenever they wanted if they felt the need) until GA went SY and a bunch of their P2P clubs and their new MLSN2 clubs all pitched a fit and asked for (gasp!) an actual answer on the record. So now they're stuck in the weakest position possible.

You might be thinking, "but how could they not know this might come up"? Weird, right? It is almost like they are incompetent but that can't be right.


So weird. It’s been discussed on here for 9 months and 1000 pages but just came out of nowhere for them.


The only thing I can think of (as a semi-legit excuse for how they are/were handling this beyond just sheer incompetence) is that, because they were not going to follow USSF's recommendations and not go along with everyone else, they were asked to not really chime in on it at all and therefore avoid controversy. It would look sort of bad if one of the primary youth soccer leagues in the US basically told USSF (publicly) that they're dumb and they were not going to follow their new recs. So the compromise was that they just wouldn't say anything (publicly).

Which would be fine if MLSN was just the pro academies. But they're not. They're a regular youth league just like all of the other leagues (who happen to have a cool name and some pro academies playing in the league). And then they added a second, purely P2P, league into the mix. Still poorly handled by them but I can at least understand why they stayed quiet for a while.


They didn’t have to come out and announce BY but they should have been internally evaluating the obstacles they would face and coming up with solutions. How should their p2p clubs organize their feeder system? How can mlsn2 stay BY to keep first and second team age cutoffs consistent while still allowing high school soccer for mlsn2? How to expand the league when everyone else uses 8/1?

All of these issues have been discussed for months on here. Instead of spending that time creating solutions (like partnering with ulittle leagues around the country to keep them BY), it appears they were completely oblivious to this.


They clearly don't pay attention to this thread.


Or pay attention to reality I guess until it is very late and they’re suddenly ‘reevaluating’ and ‘talking’ with partner clubs.
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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t put anything past mlsnext. They rolled out msln2 with no information. They could stay BY and then oops, change their mind 2 years later.

The feeder system doesn’t become an issue until 27/28 so they could wait and announce a change to SY later.


I agree, I think that is what they were doing (basically doing nothing with the caveat that they could switch gears whenever they wanted if they felt the need) until GA went SY and a bunch of their P2P clubs and their new MLSN2 clubs all pitched a fit and asked for (gasp!) an actual answer on the record. So now they're stuck in the weakest position possible.

You might be thinking, "but how could they not know this might come up"? Weird, right? It is almost like they are incompetent but that can't be right.


So weird. It’s been discussed on here for 9 months and 1000 pages but just came out of nowhere for them.


The only thing I can think of (as a semi-legit excuse for how they are/were handling this beyond just sheer incompetence) is that, because they were not going to follow USSF's recommendations and not go along with everyone else, they were asked to not really chime in on it at all and therefore avoid controversy. It would look sort of bad if one of the primary youth soccer leagues in the US basically told USSF (publicly) that they're dumb and they were not going to follow their new recs. So the compromise was that they just wouldn't say anything (publicly).

Which would be fine if MLSN was just the pro academies. But they're not. They're a regular youth league just like all of the other leagues (who happen to have a cool name and some pro academies playing in the league). And then they added a second, purely P2P, league into the mix. Still poorly handled by them but I can at least understand why they stayed quiet for a while.


They didn’t have to come out and announce BY but they should have been internally evaluating the obstacles they would face and coming up with solutions. How should their p2p clubs organize their feeder system? How can mlsn2 stay BY to keep first and second team age cutoffs consistent while still allowing high school soccer for mlsn2? How to expand the league when everyone else uses 8/1?

All of these issues have been discussed for months on here. Instead of spending that time creating solutions (like partnering with ulittle leagues around the country to keep them BY), it appears they were completely oblivious to this.


I think people fell into two camps on that-

1. Those who would say, they’re the pro pathway and that’s all that matters and P2P clubs are insignificant and will suck it up (untrue in retrospect). So MLSN didn’t and still doesn’t care.

2. Those who thought they were doing all of the things you mention behind the scenes (again, seemingly untrue in retrospect).

I’ll be honest in that I fell into the 2nd camp.
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Anonymous wrote:ECNL already did that for 25-26. Check out ECNL-RL Twin Cities. It’s team-based (not club-based).


ECNL will still be club based for top division but will create a “ECNL” league for individual teams to be relegated to the top as well. The top being an ECNL individual league for best teams from RL going up. The best teams from the ECNL2 league will also be invited to ECNL1 showcases and the top teams will play in league cups for a chance to compete against the ECNL 1 teams in their region or league.

Lots of changes will be happening.
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