CTCL schools

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If a school has to discount its tuition for less than extraordinary students to the point where in state public options are more expensive, that means the school has serious problems attracting students. You have to wonder why.


I don’t wonder why. I don’t really care why.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Okay, so they charge too much and too little. Got it.


Huh?


I think PP is pointing out that CTCL troll is simultaneously saying that CTCLs are too expensive to be worth it, but also that they discount their tuition so much that they clearly must have some nefarious agenda.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a school has to discount its tuition for less than extraordinary students to the point where in state public options are more expensive, that means the school has serious problems attracting students. You have to wonder why.


Every school discounts tuition.


This. It has nothing to do with the CTCL label. Outside of the highly ranked/need-aid-only schools, the pricing model for colleges is to mark up tuition and give most students a scholarship aka discount to make them feel like they are getting deal. You can leverage your stats to get a better deal at schools where you are in the top tier. If you can't pay $70K+, don't qualify for FA, don't want to get into massive debt, and don't want to limit your options to your in-state public Us, that's the game you have to play.
Anonymous
I’d send my kid to Wooster or Juniata before I’d ever send them to Salisbury or Radford.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If a school has to discount its tuition for less than extraordinary students to the point where in state public options are more expensive, that means the school has serious problems attracting students. You have to wonder why.


Every school discounts tuition.


No they don’t. Not like this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I’d send my kid to Wooster or Juniata before I’d ever send them to Salisbury or Radford.


If your kid can get into Wooster they’d likely have better in state options in VA than Radford.
Anonymous
We're still talking about this?

CTCL is a phony name. Ignore the branding. The grouping makes no sense and most of the colleges would do better to just abandon the cringe inducing CTCL name, though the CTCL pushers here would be devastated.
Anonymous
Not really. The CtCL posters seems to accept it is a marketing effort but has some use. The CTCL hater(s) takes a really different approach, suggesting some personal slight or pathological need for the last word.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We're still talking about this?

CTCL is a phony name. Ignore the branding. The grouping makes no sense and most of the colleges would do better to just abandon the cringe inducing CTCL name, though the CTCL pushers here would be devastated.


In your fun-house mirror mind version of the "CTCL pushers" we would be devastated. Those of us who found having one presentation with a team knowledgeable about a whole bunch of small schools, where ----in one hour-- we can demonstrate interest, find out about their merit aid offerings and likelihood of getting them would be fine if they called it "Some schools to Look At" or "Small College Collective" or whatever. And we never use the term again after selecting which schools to apply to off the list except to tell other in the college search process looking at LACs that it's a good organization to look at for info.
Anonymous
No, people on DCUM bring up CTCL constantly ("I went to a CTCL") -- it's really a bit bizarre, acting as if it's a term that's actually used or even recognized.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:No, people on DCUM bring up CTCL constantly ("I went to a CTCL") -- it's really a bit bizarre, acting as if it's a term that's actually used or even recognized.


How many times do we have to explain this to you?! It is a shorthand used here to preserve anonymity. No one IRL is saying that out loud.
Anonymous
Evergreen State College is a CTCL school. It accepts nearly everybody who applies (98 percent) and a full 1/3 don't make it past freshman year. So much for changing lives.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Evergreen State College is a CTCL school. It accepts nearly everybody who applies (98 percent) and a full 1/3 don't make it past freshman year. So much for changing lives.


That's the national average for freshman retention. That said, it's good to due diligence on any list of colleges for things that matter to you.

For LACs I look at: Freshman retention, 4 and 6 year graduation rates, career outcomes, and graduate school admissions. I look at where my kid falls on GPA/SAT and aim to be in the upper half. I couldn't give 2 beans about percent accepted.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Evergreen State College is a CTCL school. It accepts nearly everybody who applies (98 percent) and a full 1/3 don't make it past freshman year. So much for changing lives.


That's the national average for freshman retention. That said, it's good to due diligence on any list of colleges for things that matter to you.

For LACs I look at: Freshman retention, 4 and 6 year graduation rates, career outcomes, and graduate school admissions. I look at where my kid falls on GPA/SAT and aim to be in the upper half. I couldn't give 2 beans about percent accepted.


If it's the national average than it proves my point that CTCL schools aren't "special." In many cases they're just average.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Evergreen State College is a CTCL school. It accepts nearly everybody who applies (98 percent) and a full 1/3 don't make it past freshman year. So much for changing lives.


That's the national average for freshman retention. That said, it's good to due diligence on any list of colleges for things that matter to you.

For LACs I look at: Freshman retention, 4 and 6 year graduation rates, career outcomes, and graduate school admissions. I look at where my kid falls on GPA/SAT and aim to be in the upper half. I couldn't give 2 beans about percent accepted.


If it's the national average than it proves my point that CTCL schools aren't "special." In many cases they're just average.


It's more of an obsession than a point.
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