Compacted Math- FYI

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know when current 3rd graders will find out whether they will be in compacted next year? I think they said June, but my assumption is it will be after the school year so that current teachers aren't bothered (though admin will certainly have to field complaints).

It is typically at the very end of school. Expect some sort of notice during that stub week around June 14, at least based on past practices. It used to be that the notified everyone on their placement (4 vs 4/5). Last year they may have just notified parents of kids who were taking 4/5. My kid got a 4/5 letter, a friend whose kid ended up in 4 got no letter, and another friend with twins got a 4/5 letter for one and nothing for the other. The kids who ended up in 4 shared the same teacher, so we weren’t sure if that was a grade wide policy or just how that teacher got thru the year!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know when current 3rd graders will find out whether they will be in compacted next year? I think they said June, but my assumption is it will be after the school year so that current teachers aren't bothered (though admin will certainly have to field complaints).

It is typically at the very end of school. Expect some sort of notice during that stub week around June 14, at least based on past practices. It used to be that the notified everyone on their placement (4 vs 4/5). Last year they may have just notified parents of kids who were taking 4/5. My kid got a 4/5 letter, a friend whose kid ended up in 4 got no letter, and another friend with twins got a 4/5 letter for one and nothing for the other. The kids who ended up in 4 shared the same teacher, so we weren’t sure if that was a grade wide policy or just how that teacher got thru the year!

I honestly cannot remember when or if I was notified. It’s interesting that they wait so long for rising 4th graders because my kid is moving to 6th and registered for MS like a month ago and was informed then of IM placement.

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What are actual 90th percentile numeric scores (RIT?) for Fall 2020 and spring 2021 for Map M in compacted math 4/5? Do they use 4th or 5th grade scores?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are actual 90th percentile numeric scores (RIT?) for Fall 2020 and spring 2021 for Map M in compacted math 4/5? Do they use 4th or 5th grade scores?

I was told that they needed a score of 220 (Fall of 4th grade) or 238 (spring of 4th grade). My kid exceeded the 220 in the fall, so she met this criteria even tho she only pulled a 236 in the spring. When I commented that the 238 seemed quite high for a 4th grader, I was told that they were expected to working a year ahead of their math class, so they put the score at a 6th grade level.

Also needed As every quarter. You needed certain score on every single assessment during the year. I can't remember if that was a 4 or 5 (with 5 being the highest) or a percentage.

[Anonymous]

I am a compacted math teacher. At my school, we are meeting later this week to make final decisions. Supposedly there is one final guidance that is coming out today or tomorrow to help us. After that, schools are required to notify parents (not central office).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are actual 90th percentile numeric scores (RIT?) for Fall 2020 and spring 2021 for Map M in compacted math 4/5? Do they use 4th or 5th grade scores?

I was told that they needed a score of 220 (Fall of 4th grade) or 238 (spring of 4th grade). My kid exceeded the 220 in the fall, so she met this criteria even tho she only pulled a 236 in the spring. When I commented that the 238 seemed quite high for a 4th grader, I was told that they were expected to working a year ahead of their math class, so they put the score at a 6th grade level.

Also needed As every quarter. You needed certain score on every single assessment during the year. I can't remember if that was a 4 or 5 (with 5 being the highest) or a percentage.

Thanks for your insight, but once again it leaves me confused. The 6th grade level fall 90th percentile is 235, not 220. The 6th grade level spring 90th percentile is 245, not 238. I'm just not understanding who or how someone came up with 220 and 238. These specific cutoffs are baffling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a compacted math teacher. At my school, we are meeting later this week to make final decisions. Supposedly there is one final guidance that is coming out today or tomorrow to help us. After that, schools are required to notify parents (not central office).

I know Greenwood Elementary principal has made note through PTA that the school will be direct notifying, not central office, as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are actual 90th percentile numeric scores (RIT?) for Fall 2020 and spring 2021 for Map M in compacted math 4/5? Do they use 4th or 5th grade scores?

I was told that they needed a score of 220 (Fall of 4th grade) or 238 (spring of 4th grade). My kid exceeded the 220 in the fall, so she met this criteria even tho she only pulled a 236 in the spring. When I commented that the 238 seemed quite high for a 4th grader, I was told that they were expected to working a year ahead of their math class, so they put the score at a 6th grade level.

Also needed As every quarter. You needed certain score on every single assessment during the year. I can't remember if that was a 4 or 5 (with 5 being the highest) or a percentage.

Thanks for your insight, but once again it leaves me confused. The 6th grade level fall 90th percentile is 235, not 220. The 6th grade level spring 90th percentile is 245, not 238. I'm just not understanding who or how someone came up with 220 and 238. These specific cutoffs are baffling.

I'm the poster you're responding to and I totally agree that the cutoffs are puzzling. The 220 was 94% for 4th grade for the fall and the 238 is 96%. They're raising the bar with that second number for sure. And neither number is 90%. It is more of the MCPS Smoke and Mirrors Show!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are actual 90th percentile numeric scores (RIT?) for Fall 2020 and spring 2021 for Map M in compacted math 4/5? Do they use 4th or 5th grade scores?

I was told that they needed a score of 220 (Fall of 4th grade) or 238 (spring of 4th grade). My kid exceeded the 220 in the fall, so she met this criteria even tho she only pulled a 236 in the spring. When I commented that the 238 seemed quite high for a 4th grader, I was told that they were expected to working a year ahead of their math class, so they put the score at a 6th grade level.

Also needed As every quarter. You needed certain score on every single assessment during the year. I can't remember if that was a 4 or 5 (with 5 being the highest) or a percentage.

Thanks for your insight, but once again it leaves me confused. The 6th grade level fall 90th percentile is 235, not 220. The 6th grade level spring 90th percentile is 245, not 238. I'm just not understanding who or how someone came up with 220 and 238. These specific cutoffs are baffling.

I'm the poster you're responding to and I totally agree that the cutoffs are puzzling. The 220 was 94% for 4th grade for the fall and the 238 is 96%. They're raising the bar with that second number for sure. And neither number is 90%. It is more of the MCPS Smoke and Mirrors Show!

What happens if there are not enough kids in a school to form one class? Then no compacted math for anyone? Seems like the goal is to eliminate advanced coursed through technocracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are actual 90th percentile numeric scores (RIT?) for Fall 2020 and spring 2021 for Map M in compacted math 4/5? Do they use 4th or 5th grade scores?

I was told that they needed a score of 220 (Fall of 4th grade) or 238 (spring of 4th grade). My kid exceeded the 220 in the fall, so she met this criteria even tho she only pulled a 236 in the spring. When I commented that the 238 seemed quite high for a 4th grader, I was told that they were expected to working a year ahead of their math class, so they put the score at a 6th grade level.

Also needed As every quarter. You needed certain score on every single assessment during the year. I can't remember if that was a 4 or 5 (with 5 being the highest) or a percentage.

Thanks for your insight, but once again it leaves me confused. The 6th grade level fall 90th percentile is 235, not 220. The 6th grade level spring 90th percentile is 245, not 238. I'm just not understanding who or how someone came up with 220 and 238. These specific cutoffs are baffling.

I'm the poster you're responding to and I totally agree that the cutoffs are puzzling. The 220 was 94% for 4th grade for the fall and the 238 is 96%. They're raising the bar with that second number for sure. And neither number is 90%. It is more of the MCPS Smoke and Mirrors Show!

Are those percentiles off? My 3rd grader scored a 221 in the Spring MAP-M, and it was in the 92nd percentile. How can a 220 be the 94th percentile in fall of 4th? Or is there just a summer slide that makes scores go down from spring of one year to fall of the next?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are actual 90th percentile numeric scores (RIT?) for Fall 2020 and spring 2021 for Map M in compacted math 4/5? Do they use 4th or 5th grade scores?

I was told that they needed a score of 220 (Fall of 4th grade) or 238 (spring of 4th grade). My kid exceeded the 220 in the fall, so she met this criteria even tho she only pulled a 236 in the spring. When I commented that the 238 seemed quite high for a 4th grader, I was told that they were expected to working a year ahead of their math class, so they put the score at a 6th grade level.

Also needed As every quarter. You needed certain score on every single assessment during the year. I can't remember if that was a 4 or 5 (with 5 being the highest) or a percentage.

Thanks for your insight, but once again it leaves me confused. The 6th grade level fall 90th percentile is 235, not 220. The 6th grade level spring 90th percentile is 245, not 238. I'm just not understanding who or how someone came up with 220 and 238. These specific cutoffs are baffling.

I'm the poster you're responding to and I totally agree that the cutoffs are puzzling. The 220 was 94% for 4th grade for the fall and the 238 is 96%. They're raising the bar with that second number for sure. And neither number is 90%. It is more of the MCPS Smoke and Mirrors Show!

Are those percentiles off? My 3rd grader scored a 221 in the Spring MAP-M, and it was in the 92nd percentile. How can a 220 be the 94th percentile in fall of 4th? Or is there just a summer slide that makes scores go down from spring of one year to fall of the next?

I use this handy dandy website calculator for all things MAP (https://sites.google.com/view/nweapercentilecalculator) and it is showing me 220 as 92nd percentile in Fall of 4th (Under 2020 Norms).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are actual 90th percentile numeric scores (RIT?) for Fall 2020 and spring 2021 for Map M in compacted math 4/5? Do they use 4th or 5th grade scores?

I was told that they needed a score of 220 (Fall of 4th grade) or 238 (spring of 4th grade). My kid exceeded the 220 in the fall, so she met this criteria even tho she only pulled a 236 in the spring. When I commented that the 238 seemed quite high for a 4th grader, I was told that they were expected to working a year ahead of their math class, so they put the score at a 6th grade level.

Also needed As every quarter. You needed certain score on every single assessment during the year. I can't remember if that was a 4 or 5 (with 5 being the highest) or a percentage.

Thanks for your insight, but once again it leaves me confused. The 6th grade level fall 90th percentile is 235, not 220. The 6th grade level spring 90th percentile is 245, not 238. I'm just not understanding who or how someone came up with 220 and 238. These specific cutoffs are baffling.

I'm the poster you're responding to and I totally agree that the cutoffs are puzzling. The 220 was 94% for 4th grade for the fall and the 238 is 96%. They're raising the bar with that second number for sure. And neither number is 90%. It is more of the MCPS Smoke and Mirrors Show!

Are those percentiles off? My 3rd grader scored a 221 in the Spring MAP-M, and it was in the 92nd percentile. How can a 220 be the 94th percentile in fall of 4th? Or is there just a summer slide that makes scores go down from spring of one year to fall of the next?

That doesn't sound right since the benchmark for taking IM in 6th after completing compacted 5/6 was a MAP-M of 240.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are actual 90th percentile numeric scores (RIT?) for Fall 2020 and spring 2021 for Map M in compacted math 4/5? Do they use 4th or 5th grade scores?

I was told that they needed a score of 220 (Fall of 4th grade) or 238 (spring of 4th grade). My kid exceeded the 220 in the fall, so she met this criteria even tho she only pulled a 236 in the spring. When I commented that the 238 seemed quite high for a 4th grader, I was told that they were expected to working a year ahead of their math class, so they put the score at a 6th grade level.

Also needed As every quarter. You needed certain score on every single assessment during the year. I can't remember if that was a 4 or 5 (with 5 being the highest) or a percentage.

Thanks for your insight, but once again it leaves me confused. The 6th grade level fall 90th percentile is 235, not 220. The 6th grade level spring 90th percentile is 245, not 238. I'm just not understanding who or how someone came up with 220 and 238. These specific cutoffs are baffling.

I'm the poster you're responding to and I totally agree that the cutoffs are puzzling. The 220 was 94% for 4th grade for the fall and the 238 is 96%. They're raising the bar with that second number for sure. And neither number is 90%. It is more of the MCPS Smoke and Mirrors Show!

What happens if there are not enough kids in a school to form one class? Then no compacted math for anyone? Seems like the goal is to eliminate advanced coursed through technocracy.

They will probably reach out to parents to fill the class. Remember that MCPS can issue guidelines but each school has a lot of flexibility so the school still may offer it. Those numbers don't sound accurate at all and very high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are actual 90th percentile numeric scores (RIT?) for Fall 2020 and spring 2021 for Map M in compacted math 4/5? Do they use 4th or 5th grade scores?

I was told that they needed a score of 220 (Fall of 4th grade) or 238 (spring of 4th grade). My kid exceeded the 220 in the fall, so she met this criteria even tho she only pulled a 236 in the spring. When I commented that the 238 seemed quite high for a 4th grader, I was told that they were expected to working a year ahead of their math class, so they put the score at a 6th grade level.

Also needed As every quarter. You needed certain score on every single assessment during the year. I can't remember if that was a 4 or 5 (with 5 being the highest) or a percentage.

Thanks for your insight, but once again it leaves me confused. The 6th grade level fall 90th percentile is 235, not 220. The 6th grade level spring 90th percentile is 245, not 238. I'm just not understanding who or how someone came up with 220 and 238. These specific cutoffs are baffling.

I'm the poster you're responding to and I totally agree that the cutoffs are puzzling. The 220 was 94% for 4th grade for the fall and the 238 is 96%. They're raising the bar with that second number for sure. And neither number is 90%. It is more of the MCPS Smoke and Mirrors Show!

Are those percentiles off? My 3rd grader scored a 221 in the Spring MAP-M, and it was in the 92nd percentile. How can a 220 be the 94th percentile in fall of 4th? Or is there just a summer slide that makes scores go down from spring of one year to fall of the next?

That doesn't sound right since the benchmark for taking IM in 6th after completing compacted 5/6 was a MAP-M of 240.

That doesn't sound right at all.