J.K. Rowling’s post on trans-identity and modern misogyny

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Womanhood, like manhood, can be donned and doffed like a cloak.

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Anonymous wrote:Y'all really have to know that, to the younger generations, this is a non-issue. None of us have a problem including trans women as women, while at the same time advocating for women's rights.

You're on the wrong side of history.

Another swipe at older women. Young people often think they have all the answers when, in fact, they are working with a limited set of experiences and information.

The best world is where the optimism of the younger is brought together with the life experience and wisdom of the older.

As an older woman who has lived through plenty of misogyny I’ve learned how important it is to be inclusive.

We need more like you to help your generation understand inclusivity and intersectionality. We are relying on you!

Totes, Sierra! And we need your generation to like get a job, and like vote, and like stop taking pictures of your food, and like stop with your casual racism and misogyny, but really try hard to use birth control , because all those olds (those hags) who like thought they were feminists and fought for stupid shit like reproductive freedom - well it didn’t work and they are now totes reactionary types who just want you to get pregnant so they can have a handmaid’s tale sitch and get an easier pipeline to lighter skinned babies while you argue that that most significant issue facing women is focusing on the issues of trans women as, in your view, the most marginalized of all women. Trans rights are VERY important. But women are born and socialized as women also have VERY important issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Y'all really have to know that, to the younger generations, this is a non-issue. None of us have a problem including trans women as women, while at the same time advocating for women's rights.

You're on the wrong side of history.

Another swipe at older women. Young people often think they have all the answers when, in fact, they are working with a limited set of experiences and information.

The best world is where the optimism of the younger is brought together with the life experience and wisdom of the older.

As an older woman who has lived through plenty of misogyny I’ve learned how important it is to be inclusive.

We need more like you to help your generation understand inclusivity and intersectionality. We are relying on you!

Totes, Sierra! And we need your generation to like get a job, and like vote, and like stop taking pictures of your food, and like stop with your casual racism and misogyny, but really try hard to use birth control , because all those olds (those hags) who like thought they were feminists and fought for stupid shit like reproductive freedom - well it didn’t work and they are now totes reactionary types who just want you to get pregnant so they can have a handmaid’s tale sitch and get an easier pipeline to lighter skinned babies while you argue that that most significant issue facing women is focusing on the issues of trans women as, in your view, the most marginalized of all women. Trans rights are VERY important. But women are born and socialized as women also have VERY important issues.

I’m 35 years old LMAO

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok I want to take a step back from the name calling and point out where we agree and where we disagree, because I think some people are mistaking my stance (which I think is the same as JKR and other posters)

1. Only people with XX chromosomes menstruate

2. There are people with XX chromosomes but who don’t identify as women who menstruate

3. Trans people deserve to live life in peace and dignity, and we should call people by their preferred names and pronouns

4. Transwomen and ciswomen have differences, which include biology and how they were socialized as children

Ok, here’s where I disagree:

1. There are limited situations where it is legitimate to limit a space to only ciswomen. This includes certain battered women’s shelters if there are victims there who would be triggered around people with male characteristics; competitive women’s sports; and I don’t believe service providers like bikini waxers should be forced to service people with male genitalia (in Canada, many female aestheticians were actually sued for refusing to wax a trans women with male genetalia and some lost their businesses). Some people also have a problem with trans women in women’s bathrooms and locker rooms although I don’t really.

2. Language about XX bodies (Menstruation, pregnancy, breast and ovarian health, etc) should default to using the word woman, unless there is a specific reason not to. This is because saying “people who menstruate” “uterus owners” “people with front holes” (yes this is preferred terminology in some circles) is unnecessarily confusing, and alienating to many women who have already been told by society over and over again that our bodies and reproductive organs are gross. Obviously, if an article or pamphlet is trying to reach the trans and non-binary community specifically, they can use different language as they see fit.

3. Minors should not be allowed to make permanent body alterations. Many minors change their mind about their gender identity later on. And, puberty blockers can cause permanent damage to the development of genitalia. If a minor wants to dress differently and go by a different name and pronouns that’s fine.

4. Preferring to date people who only have certain body types is not transphobic. (Yes, there are some very vocal trans people who think that having a preference for dating cis people is transphobic. I am pretty sure they’re the minority but they are very vocal so it’s hard to tell).

Ok... that’s it. To all those who legitimately want to learn the other sides actual opinions, I hope this is helpful.

I disagree with you and find your reasons for excluding people weak (“too confusing”?).

Your positions are harmful to others.

Same old same old key catchphrases, zero effort to meaningfully respond. I'm beginning to think you're just a troll.

Nothing wrong with being concise.

I’ve already addressed your points in prior posts and I’m now on my phone so I don’t feel like typing it all out again. It’s repetitive anyway. “Too confusing” is a weak cop-out and no excuse to harm others.

I think you need to work on your advocacy skills, then, because I've read this entire thread and still haven't seen a response that actually details the harm.

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Anonymous wrote:Y'all really have to know that, to the younger generations, this is a non-issue. None of us have a problem including trans women as women, while at the same time advocating for women's rights.

You're on the wrong side of history.

Another swipe at older women. Young people often think they have all the answers when, in fact, they are working with a limited set of experiences and information.

The best world is where the optimism of the younger is brought together with the life experience and wisdom of the older.

As an older woman who has lived through plenty of misogyny I’ve learned how important it is to be inclusive.

We need more like you to help your generation understand inclusivity and intersectionality. We are relying on you!

Totes, Sierra! And we need your generation to like get a job, and like vote, and like stop taking pictures of your food, and like stop with your casual racism and misogyny, but really try hard to use birth control , because all those olds (those hags) who like thought they were feminists and fought for stupid shit like reproductive freedom - well it didn’t work and they are now totes reactionary types who just want you to get pregnant so they can have a handmaid’s tale sitch and get an easier pipeline to lighter skinned babies while you argue that that most significant issue facing women is focusing on the issues of trans women as, in your view, the most marginalized of all women. Trans rights are VERY important. But women are born and socialized as women also have VERY important issues.

Okay I’m a millennial PP who doesn’t acknowledge trans womanhood but this is v embarrassing!!

Last two sentences still on point though, it’s just hard to get through the nonsensical rant preceding your valid point.

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Anonymous wrote:Y'all really have to know that, to the younger generations, this is a non-issue. None of us have a problem including trans women as women, while at the same time advocating for women's rights.

You're on the wrong side of history.

Another swipe at older women. Young people often think they have all the answers when, in fact, they are working with a limited set of experiences and information.

The best world is where the optimism of the younger is brought together with the life experience and wisdom of the older.

As an older woman who has lived through plenty of misogyny I’ve learned how important it is to be inclusive.

We need more like you to help your generation understand inclusivity and intersectionality. We are relying on you!

Totes, Sierra! And we need your generation to like get a job, and like vote, and like stop taking pictures of your food, and like stop with your casual racism and misogyny, but really try hard to use birth control , because all those olds (those hags) who like thought they were feminists and fought for stupid shit like reproductive freedom - well it didn’t work and they are now totes reactionary types who just want you to get pregnant so they can have a handmaid’s tale sitch and get an easier pipeline to lighter skinned babies while you argue that that most significant issue facing women is focusing on the issues of trans women as, in your view, the most marginalized of all women. Trans rights are VERY important. But women are born and socialized as women also have VERY important issues.

I’m 35 years old LMAO

If the shoe fits, Sienna.

[Anonymous]

Is Sienna an insult? What?

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it harm trans women to call them trans women?

Because they’re deluded men and need to usurp and undermine women in any way possible, and feel entitled to do so.

This hateful crap is exactly what fuels my anger.

I don’t see any of the JKR-minded people denouncing this.

I posted a few pages back specifically saying I did not support language like this. And I’ll reaffirm that I think this poster does sound hateful and bigoted

Thank you.

Can the question be answered? What is the harm caused to trans women by calling them trans women?

None as long as you acknowledge that being trans is part of their identity but they are also women. They’re women. If you can agree to that basic fact, then saying they are trans is fine because you aren’t using it to diminish or deny their womanhood.

NP. I don’t want to agree with that. I don’t agree. I will call anyone whatever name or pronoun they want, I don’t care what bathroom they use or what they wear. I support publicly funded reassignment surgery for those with dysphoria. I will always decry violence against trans people and support trans advocacy. But privately, I do not acknowledge their womanhood. The only thing that makes me a woman is my biological femaleness and the way I have been treated and socialized because of it.

It’s these purity tests that drive people away. They are not women and will never have womanhood. Step off.

[Anonymous]

Sienna and Linda are both misogynist insults and have no place here. Also, the horrific ageism isn't helping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is Sienna an insult? What?

I'm 44 and I dont get it. I think she's trying to insult someone as a millennial or maybe gen z? But Sienna was never that popular a name and everything else is just a mess.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Sienna an insult? What?

It’s an anti-millennial slur. Millennials are the most discriminated, and marginalized humans, as we all know too well.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Sienna an insult? What?

I think she thinks anyone supporting trans women as women is 18. She told us to get a job and vote like we weren’t born in the 1980s and have 401ks

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Anonymous wrote:Sienna and Linda are both misogynist insults and have no place here. Also, the horrific ageism isn't helping.

Sadly DCUM is never short on misogyny.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Sienna an insult? What?

It’s an anti-millennial slur. Millennials are the most discriminated, and marginalized humans, as we all know too well.

The point is millennials aren’t named Sienna. Millennials are 27-40 years old and she’s talking to us like we are 15... I think she’s confused millennials with Gen Z but either way, the rants have a lot going on.

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Anonymous wrote:Sienna and Linda are both misogynist insults and have no place here. Also, the horrific ageism isn't helping.

Sadly DCUM is never short on misogyny.

Do trans women really know what they're getting themselves in to? How much time have they spent on DCUM?