APS elementary planning initiative called off

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:T-shirt people wanted ASFS to remain at its current location and to walk to school. Period. End of story. It was not a nefarious plot to force Rosslyn out of ASFS.

It’s like saying Rosslyn people want to keep the old Key boundaries because they hate the walk zone people and are only advocating because they find it amusing that the neighborhood people have to see ASFS each morning as they get picked up by their school bus to go Taylor. No, the Rosslyn people simply want to continue to go to ASFS.

There appears to be only a handful of people, if that many (but who all appear to frequent this forum), who have a personal hate against those who want a walk zone for ASFS (aka, the yellow-shirt wearing jerks, the bullies, the racists, the poor-haters, the cray cray, the shameful, etc.). I don’t think I’ve read anyone name-calling the Rosslyn folks anything on this board. Why? Probably because everyone except the few haters on this forum are normal, reasonable people who can understand that different folks have different preferences and by wanting what’s best for their family, they are not purposefully trying to hurt others. They are just advocating for what they want.

The problem is, creating a walk zone around ASFS is reasonable now that ASFS is a neighborhood school and the name-callers can’t stand that. They hope if they scream and yell and throw the most ugly accusations around no one will dare touch their boundaries. That’s the only thing they can do because keeping antiquated team boundaries when two new schools are opening doesn’t make sense.

Talk about hyperbolic. No one is calling anyone racist. And the cray cray posters were about jointing another schools PTA in order to influence elections, which definitely is far afield and will be reported to the National PTA.

And yes, retiring the team boundaries when both new schools are opening is a great idea, so let’s make the sensible decision and wait for 2021. Glad we agree

A Rosslyn poster earlier in this thread called he Cherrydale folks racist. Also, not only has the story of outside people joining the PTA to vote in the electi9n been debunked, but even if it were true, this is permitted under the National PTA bylaws so your complaint isn’t going to go very far.

Quote the thread or it didn’t happen. Just spreading more hyperbole.

As for the National PTA, if their bylaws slow it I’m sure it’s because it is patently absurd to do such a thing. It will be easy for the PTA to reconcile from their records, not just trust some random poster saying it was ‘debunked’ what proof? I have heard this outside of DCUM so it could have some credence, but the National PTA can sort it out.

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[Anonymous]

Over half the school population will not scatter if they let the walk zone kids in-- ASFS will still be largely populated by Lyon Village and Rosslyn folks. It's the fringe planning units in Clarendon and possibly Courthouse that are near Long Branch that may get moved in this rezoning phase. They are the ones behind the "save Rosslyn" push. If they "save" Rosslyn by keeping the current boundaries, they also save themselves. All this back and forth about Rosslyn vs. Cherrydale is just a front-- it's really a fight to keep the single family home/townhome families that live near Market Common from being rezoned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:T-shirt people wanted ASFS to remain at its current location and to walk to school. Period. End of story. It was not a nefarious plot to force Rosslyn out of ASFS.

It’s like saying Rosslyn people want to keep the old Key boundaries because they hate the walk zone people and are only advocating because they find it amusing that the neighborhood people have to see ASFS each morning as they get picked up by their school bus to go Taylor. No, the Rosslyn people simply want to continue to go to ASFS.

There appears to be only a handful of people, if that many (but who all appear to frequent this forum), who have a personal hate against those who want a walk zone for ASFS (aka, the yellow-shirt wearing jerks, the bullies, the racists, the poor-haters, the cray cray, the shameful, etc.). I don’t think I’ve read anyone name-calling the Rosslyn folks anything on this board. Why? Probably because everyone except the few haters on this forum are normal, reasonable people who can understand that different folks have different preferences and by wanting what’s best for their family, they are not purposefully trying to hurt others. They are just advocating for what they want.

The problem is, creating a walk zone around ASFS is reasonable now that ASFS is a neighborhood school and the name-callers can’t stand that. They hope if they scream and yell and throw the most ugly accusations around no one will dare touch their boundaries. That’s the only thing they can do because keeping antiquated team boundaries when two new schools are opening doesn’t make sense.

Talk about hyperbolic. No one is calling anyone racist. And the cray cray posters were about jointing another schools PTA in order to influence elections, which definitely is far afield and will be reported to the National PTA.

And yes, retiring the team boundaries when both new schools are opening is a great idea, so let’s make the sensible decision and wait for 2021. Glad we agree

A Rosslyn poster earlier in this thread called he Cherrydale folks racist. Also, not only has the story of outside people joining the PTA to vote in the electi9n been debunked, but even if it were true, this is permitted under the National PTA bylaws so your complaint isn’t going to go very far.

Quote the thread or it didn’t happen. Just spreading more hyperbole.

As for the National PTA, if their bylaws slow it I’m sure it’s because it is patently absurd to do such a thing. It will be easy for the PTA to reconcile from their records, not just trust some random poster saying it was ‘debunked’ what proof? I have heard this outside of DCUM so it could have some credence, but the National PTA can sort it out.

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This is the quote you are calling. Not quite as inflammatory in context. You just don’t like it bc it was the first serious post about the absurd PTA maneuvering. Where there is smoke...

These same non-asfs parents showed up at pta meetings that school board meetings were present. At those meetings they kept lamenting: “those kids from the key zone are overcrowding our school. They’re taking resources from the rest of our kids. You promised us a walk zone.” Keep in mind these parents don’t have kids at asfs. I can’t imagine anyone who is an actual member of the community saying those hurtful borderline racist things!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:T-shirt people wanted ASFS to remain at its current location and to walk to school. Period. End of story. It was not a nefarious plot to force Rosslyn out of ASFS.

It’s like saying Rosslyn people want to keep the old Key boundaries because they hate the walk zone people and are only advocating because they find it amusing that the neighborhood people have to see ASFS each morning as they get picked up by their school bus to go Taylor. No, the Rosslyn people simply want to continue to go to ASFS.

There appears to be only a handful of people, if that many (but who all appear to frequent this forum), who have a personal hate against those who want a walk zone for ASFS (aka, the yellow-shirt wearing jerks, the bullies, the racists, the poor-haters, the cray cray, the shameful, etc.). I don’t think I’ve read anyone name-calling the Rosslyn folks anything on this board. Why? Probably because everyone except the few haters on this forum are normal, reasonable people who can understand that different folks have different preferences and by wanting what’s best for their family, they are not purposefully trying to hurt others. They are just advocating for what they want.

The problem is, creating a walk zone around ASFS is reasonable now that ASFS is a neighborhood school and the name-callers can’t stand that. They hope if they scream and yell and throw the most ugly accusations around no one will dare touch their boundaries. That’s the only thing they can do because keeping antiquated team boundaries when two new schools are opening doesn’t make sense.

Talk about hyperbolic. No one is calling anyone racist. And the cray cray posters were about jointing another schools PTA in order to influence elections, which definitely is far afield and will be reported to the National PTA.

And yes, retiring the team boundaries when both new schools are opening is a great idea, so let’s make the sensible decision and wait for 2021. Glad we agree

A Rosslyn poster earlier in this thread called he Cherrydale folks racist. Also, not only has the story of outside people joining the PTA to vote in the electi9n been debunked, but even if it were true, this is permitted under the National PTA bylaws so your complaint isn’t going to go very far.

Quote the thread or it didn’t happen. Just spreading more hyperbole.

As for the National PTA, if their bylaws slow it I’m sure it’s because it is patently absurd to do such a thing. It will be easy for the PTA to reconcile from their records, not just trust some random poster saying it was ‘debunked’ what proof? I have heard this outside of DCUM so it could have some credence, but the National PTA can sort it out.

Page 28, 19:04.

This is the quote you are calling. Not quite as inflammatory in context. You just don’t like it bc it was the first serious post about the absurd PTA maneuvering. Where there is smoke...

These same non-asfs parents showed up at pta meetings that school board meetings were present. At those meetings they kept lamenting: “those kids from the key zone are overcrowding our school. They’re taking resources from the rest of our kids. You promised us a walk zone.” Keep in mind these parents don’t have kids at asfs. I can’t imagine anyone who is an actual member of the community saying those hurtful borderline racist things!

I’m not involved in that at all so I have no feelings either way about it. It’s telling, though, that you can assume everyone who doesn’t agree with you must be self-interested in their disagreement.

[Anonymous]

It really is a sad reflection of the times we’re in. Even in the Arlington bubble with one of the most educated populations in the world, the community can fall victim to the reckless fear monger of a few nutsos. It worked for the Trump campaign. Looks like it works in Arlington too.

[Anonymous]

Looking at these projections-
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FallProjections18-27_Official_Web.pdf

they are expecting nearly 1500 students between ASFS and Key- I'm assuming that means in what was the Key zone, is now the ASFS zone. I honestly don't see how they can leave Key as an option school. There is no other land anywhere near there to build another school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looking at these projections-
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FallProjections18-27_Official_Web.pdf

they are expecting nearly 1500 students between ASFS and Key- I'm assuming that means in what was the Key zone, is now the ASFS zone. I honestly don't see how they can leave Key as an option school. There is no other land anywhere near there to build another school.

The RCA building

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looking at these projections-
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/FallProjections18-27_Official_Web.pdf

they are expecting nearly 1500 students between ASFS and Key- I'm assuming that means in what was the Key zone, is now the ASFS zone. I honestly don't see how they can leave Key as an option school. There is no other land anywhere near there to build another school.

The RCA building

The RCA building has a lot size of 30,000sf, about 2/3 of an acre.
The model we have for this kind of 'urban school' is Bailey's upper elementary- which is on 3.4 acres- https://www.insidenova.com/news/education/fairfax/fcps-takes-first-urban-style-school-for-test-drive/article_7d6778f2-328d-11e4-9a8c-0019bb2963f4.html

Virginia requires PreK/K/1/and self contained special ed classrooms to be on the ground floor (floor of exit level)- http://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/facility_construction/school_construction/regs_guidelines/guidelines.pdf

Thus how you get to Bailey's upper elementary- not enough ground floor space for the younger grades.
It's 1.4 miles between Bailey's upper and lower Baileys.
Where would you put the lower grades in order to site an 'urban' elementary school?

[Anonymous]

Fleet ya not opening yo bring N Arlington seats. Moving Montessori does not free up as many seats in S Arlington as posted up thread. S Arlington still needs another elementary school and based on population growth probably two more. N Arlington is getting Reed a new elementary school. Sorry folks this divide perpetuates but N Arlington needs to wait for Reed for relief. Call it what you want but someone is getting bussed somewhere. The locations of the N Arlintonvsvhools are not helpful. Look at the map. Most of the Lower income folks on Roslyn are on the North side of Wilson. The south side of Wilson is filled with toddlers living in million dollar townhomes behind the target. Townhomes with elevators. If Roslyn needs a school then start advocating for it but it has to be in Roslyn and urban.

I hope APS puts everything back on the table draws the boundaries including Reed and just gets this moving along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Over half the school population will not scatter if they let the walk zone kids in-- ASFS will still be largely populated by Lyon Village and Rosslyn folks. It's the fringe planning units in Clarendon and possibly Courthouse that are near Long Branch that may get moved in this rezoning phase. They are the ones behind the "save Rosslyn" push. If they "save" Rosslyn by keeping the current boundaries, they also save themselves. All this back and forth about Rosslyn vs. Cherrydale is just a front-- it's really a fight to keep the single family home/townhome families that live near Market Common from being rezoned.

Tin foil says what?

[Anonymous]

Rich white complainers always get what they want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of the Cherrydale families were bullied but the Clarendon/Courthouse/Rosslyn/Lyon Village folks sure are reaping what they sowed when the declared Kirkwood was too dangerous to cross but are now claiming the Rosslyn folks must attend ASFS because they have to walk from the metro. My map says the quickest walking route from Clarendon metro to ASFS is .6 miles and VA Square is .8 miles. Both routes either cross or walk along Kirkwood. So, by their own logic, Rosslyn families should not be zoned to ASFS and be forced to risk their lives crossing Kirkwood to get to Extended Day.

First of all it was the county that said Kirkwood was too busy to cross. Secondly, the quickest route is Art 55 and parents would take the bus and walk 0.3 miles.

Second, you are conflating street crossing for solo children (the walk zone) versus parents pickup up kids. Do you think 5th graders are taking metro on their own in APS.

At the end of the day, for Rosslyn the closest neighborhood school with the most direct traffic is ASFS — that’s why the parents are defending it, b/c LB and Taylor require mixing with arterial roads during rush hours.

Looks like Clarendon/Courhouse can walk with a parent just fine to Long Branch. It's less than a mile as depicted by this map. https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ES_LongBranch_WZ_Policy_Final.pdf

You can even take the off-street trail so you don't have to cross any busy roads. Looks like a fine solution to me, and fixes the loudest part of the problem.

What off street trail bypasses wash blvd from Courthouse/Clarendon?

I need the answer, too. TIA!

[Anonymous]

Just a few points of the Nottingham analogy. First, Nottingham was facing complete dissolution of the school. Not a boundary change. ASF is complaining about boundary shifts. Second, Nottingham did make an effort not to trash other schools/families/children. And third, we did mock them pretty mercilessly (and appropriately) for their ridiculous petitions addressed to Beyer etc.
That said, the ASF drama is far more embarrassing to all of you. Parents, principal, the teacher who showed up and picked sides at the SB meeting. You are all ruining the reputation of what used to be considered a nice school. Ick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just a few points of the Nottingham analogy. First, Nottingham was facing complete dissolution of the school. Not a boundary change. ASF is complaining about boundary shifts. Second, Nottingham did make an effort not to trash other schools/families/children. And third, we did mock them pretty mercilessly (and appropriately) for their ridiculous petitions addressed to Beyer etc.
That said, the ASF drama is far more embarrassing to all of you. Parents, principal, the teacher who showed up and picked sides at the SB meeting. You are all ruining the reputation of what used to be considered a nice school. Ick.

Removing half the school is not far from dissolutions. Hardly just boundary shift.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a few points of the Nottingham analogy. First, Nottingham was facing complete dissolution of the school. Not a boundary change. ASF is complaining about boundary shifts. Second, Nottingham did make an effort not to trash other schools/families/children. And third, we did mock them pretty mercilessly (and appropriately) for their ridiculous petitions addressed to Beyer etc.
That said, the ASF drama is far more embarrassing to all of you. Parents, principal, the teacher who showed up and picked sides at the SB meeting. You are all ruining the reputation of what used to be considered a nice school. Ick.

Removing half the school is not far from dissolutions. Hardly just boundary shift.

DP. It is a boundary shift. ASFS is current a neighborhood school and is expected to remain a neighborhood school. Nottingham was proposed to change to an option school, and would no longer exist as a neighborhood school. These are different things. No one said Nottingham was dissolved when Discovery opened and Nottingham lost almost 40% of its student population, because that would have been absurd.