Common Core's epic fail: Special Education

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I'd like to see some data supporting the idea that 75% of the country opposes the Common Core standards. Actually, I'd also like to see some data supporting the idea that 75% of the country knows what the Common Core standards are (and "a socialist government takeover of our children's freedom" does not count as a correct answer).

But yes, it's quite possible that 75% of the country has it all wrong. It wouldn't be the only case. For example, 73% of the country believes either that God created human beings in their present form or that God guided human evolution.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolution-creationism-intelligent-design.aspx

You aren't helping your case here, going after people's belief in God, of all things.

People are free to believe what they want, of course.

But if 75% of the country believes something that the scientific explanation definitively excludes, then I'm not going to take it on faith that the opinion of 75% of the country on anything in education, including the Common Core standards, is correct. Public opposition to the Common Core standards is, at best, a political argument.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has it occurred to anyone on this thread that those of us with children who have LDs already have enough of an uphill battle on our hands. Introducing a new set of "Not-well thought-out, Not-well-executed, Exclusionary Standards" - and by Exclusionary I mean that the standards do not take into account that many of our kids are poor critical thinkers - for the time being that is - and introducing THAT requirement as part of the math curricuulum is a crime! The ones who do not understand this are the ones who's kids are floating through school without any major or even minor hiccups.

These standards are SEGREGATING our children even more than they already are!! Yes - SEGREGATION, I said it!!

I think many people have posted on here that perhaps for those LD kids, a watered down set of standards would be beneficial.

I disagree. Watering down curriculum for most children with LD does them a gross disservice and has been and continues to be a problem in education.

But most of the posts on here from parents of LD kids don't seem to feel that way. I think there are varying degrees of LDs, and some kids might be ok with a curriculum based on CC standards, but perhaps a lot are not. I don't know. I don't have a kid with an LD.

I have a child with profound LD and watering down the curriculum is not the answer. The problem is that the way to teach children with LD costs more than school systems are willing to pay, so they snooker parents into thinking their children are not capable of successfully learning the curriculum. Children with LDs need two types of education, the curriculum and intense remediation for their LD. It takes more time and more resources, nether of which school systems are willing to provide.

[Anonymous]

People believe all kinds of stupid shit. 33% of Americans don't believe in evolution. A double digit percentage of Americans believes in Bigfoot. 40% of Americans believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. 20% believe the Moon landings were faked. 40% of Americans believe ObamaCare set up "Death Panels". 20% of Americans believe Obama is a Muslim. 50% of Americans believe Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11. And I'd bet you that most of those people I just listed above are among those who are opposed to Common Core.

[Anonymous]

And I'd bet you that most of those people I just listed above are among those who are opposed to Common Core.

That's the best defense you have of CC? That people who believe things you think are stupid probably don't like it?

[Anonymous]

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill

[Anonymous]

Has it occurred to anyone on this thread that those of us with children who have LDs already have enough of an uphill battle on our hands. Introducing a new set of "Not-well thought-out, Not-well-executed, Exclusionary Standards" - and by Exclusionary I mean that the standards do not take into account that many of our kids are poor critical thinkers - for the time being that is - and introducing THAT requirement as part of the math curricuulum is a crime! The ones who do not understand this are the ones who's kids are floating through school without any major or even minor hiccups.

These standards are SEGREGATING our children even more than they already are!! Yes - SEGREGATION, I said it!!

You're quite hysterical about all the wrong things. The fact that your kid is a poor critical thinker (your words, not mine) has no bearing on the fact that critical thinking skills are important and a developmental benchmark to insure that those skills are being acquired is a reasonable thing. If we think critical thinking skills are important, then we need to be able to assess how we know they are being learned. That's what a standard is. A benchmark. The benchmark is not a crime and it doesn't segregate your child. If your child is segregated, then it is the very unfortunate LD that segregates your child. Luckily, we have measures for addressing the unfortunate gap between where your child is at, skill wise, and where they should be developmentally. Rather than blame the logical establishment of benchmarks, take your fight to the implementation phase and what supports will be in place to help your chid reach the benchmarks.

[Anonymous]

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And I'd bet you that most of those people I just listed above are among those who are opposed to Common Core.

That's the best defense you have of CC? That people who believe things you think are stupid probably don't like it?

I'm not the PP, but I don't think that the point was to defend the Common Core standards. Rather, the point was that a thing is not so merely because lots of people believe it. Even if 100% of the US population believed otherwise, the facts would still be that there are no death panels, Bigfoot does not exist, Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, and Obama is not a Muslim born in Kenya. Similarly, even if 75% of the US population believes that the Common Core standards are the Worst Thing Ever, that doesn't mean that they actually are. (I wonder how many of those supposed 75% have ever read even one Common Core standard.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill

Well, he didn't actually say that. He said, "I did not mean to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative" -- referring to England's Conservative Party at the time (1866), which opposed universal suffrage and votes for women.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mill/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Has it occurred to anyone on this thread that those of us with children who have LDs already have enough of an uphill battle on our hands. Introducing a new set of "Not-well thought-out, Not-well-executed, Exclusionary Standards" - and by Exclusionary I mean that the standards do not take into account that many of our kids are poor critical thinkers - for the time being that is - and introducing THAT requirement as part of the math curricuulum is a crime! The ones who do not understand this are the ones who's kids are floating through school without any major or even minor hiccups.

These standards are SEGREGATING our children even more than they already are!! Yes - SEGREGATION, I said it!!

I think many people have posted on here that perhaps for those LD kids, a watered down set of standards would be beneficial.

I disagree. Watering down curriculum for most children with LD does them a gross disservice and has been and continues to be a problem in education.

But most of the posts on here from parents of LD kids don't seem to feel that way. I think there are varying degrees of LDs, and some kids might be ok with a curriculum based on CC standards, but perhaps a lot are not. I don't know. I don't have a kid with an LD.

I have a child with profound LD and watering down the curriculum is not the answer. The problem is that the way to teach children with LD costs more than school systems are willing to pay, so they snooker parents into thinking their children are not capable of successfully learning the curriculum. Children with LDs need two types of education, the curriculum and intense remediation for their LD. It takes more time and more resources, nether of which school systems are willing to provide.

And has this changed under Common Core? Or was this always a problem?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill



Well, he didn't actually say that. He said, "I did not mean to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative" -- referring to England's Conservative Party at the time (1866), which opposed universal suffrage and votes for women.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mill/

And, insults are always so helpful to a conversation........

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has it occurred to anyone on this thread that those of us with children who have LDs already have enough of an uphill battle on our hands. Introducing a new set of "Not-well thought-out, Not-well-executed, Exclusionary Standards" - and by Exclusionary I mean that the standards do not take into account that many of our kids are poor critical thinkers - for the time being that is - and introducing THAT requirement as part of the math curricuulum is a crime! The ones who do not understand this are the ones who's kids are floating through school without any major or even minor hiccups.

These standards are SEGREGATING our children even more than they already are!! Yes - SEGREGATION, I said it!!

I think many people have posted on here that perhaps for those LD kids, a watered down set of standards would be beneficial.

I disagree. Watering down curriculum for most children with LD does them a gross disservice and has been and continues to be a problem in education.

But most of the posts on here from parents of LD kids don't seem to feel that way. I think there are varying degrees of LDs, and some kids might be ok with a curriculum based on CC standards, but perhaps a lot are not. I don't know. I don't have a kid with an LD.

I have a child with profound LD and watering down the curriculum is not the answer. The problem is that the way to teach children with LD costs more than school systems are willing to pay, so they snooker parents into thinking their children are not capable of successfully learning the curriculum. Children with LDs need two types of education, the curriculum and intense remediation for their LD. It takes more time and more resources, nether of which school systems are willing to provide.

So, you are saying that you think a lot of kids with LDs *can* achieve the CC standards, but that they just need a lot more help. Well, that is contrary to what OP and others have been saying about their LD kids, and supports the opposing view that there is nothing wrong with CC standards. Your problem, and perhaps those of others, is just that the LD child needs a lot more help than schools are willing to give. Totally different issue to "Common Core's epic fail: Special Education".

[Anonymous]

So, you are saying that you think a lot of kids with LDs *can* achieve the CC standards, but that they just need a lot more help. Well, that is contrary to what OP and others have been saying about their LD kids, and supports the opposing view that there is nothing wrong with CC standards. Your problem, and perhaps those of others, is just that the LD child needs a lot more help than schools are willing to give. Totally different issue to "Common Core's epic fail: Special Education".

As a teacher, I can say that all LD kids are not the same. Some need a lot more help than others, and some cannot handle the same curriculum as others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So, you are saying that you think a lot of kids with LDs *can* achieve the CC standards, but that they just need a lot more help. Well, that is contrary to what OP and others have been saying about their LD kids, and supports the opposing view that there is nothing wrong with CC standards. Your problem, and perhaps those of others, is just that the LD child needs a lot more help than schools are willing to give. Totally different issue to "Common Core's epic fail: Special Education".

As a teacher, I can say that all LD kids are not the same. Some need a lot more help than others, and some cannot handle the same curriculum as others.

Which is why I stated on a previous post that maybe a more watered down curriculum is needed for such LD kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So, you are saying that you think a lot of kids with LDs *can* achieve the CC standards, but that they just need a lot more help. Well, that is contrary to what OP and others have been saying about their LD kids, and supports the opposing view that there is nothing wrong with CC standards. Your problem, and perhaps those of others, is just that the LD child needs a lot more help than schools are willing to give. Totally different issue to "Common Core's epic fail: Special Education".

As a teacher, I can say that all LD kids are not the same. Some need a lot more help than others, and some cannot handle the same curriculum as others.

Can they handle it if it is over a longer period of time? Or are they not cognitively able to so at all? If they are not cognitively able to do so, then the problem is ID not LD.

[Anonymous]

It really depends on the type of LD. One size does not fit all.