Common Core's epic fail: Special Education

[Anonymous]

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So, you are saying that you think a lot of kids with LDs *can* achieve the CC standards, but that they just need a lot more help. Well, that is contrary to what OP and others have been saying about their LD kids, and supports the opposing view that there is nothing wrong with CC standards. Your problem, and perhaps those of others, is just that the LD child needs a lot more help than schools are willing to give. Totally different issue to "Common Core's epic fail: Special Education".

As a teacher, I can say that all LD kids are not the same. Some need a lot more help than others, and some cannot handle the same curriculum as others.

Which is why I stated on a previous post that maybe a more watered down curriculum is needed for such LD kids.

Who determines which LD child gets the watered down curriculum? This has been the problem in the past, the schools have an incentive to put as many as they can in the water down curriculum- short changing those student who would rise to the higher bar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, you are saying that you think a lot of kids with LDs *can* achieve the CC standards, but that they just need a lot more help. Well, that is contrary to what OP and others have been saying about their LD kids, and supports the opposing view that there is nothing wrong with CC standards. Your problem, and perhaps those of others, is just that the LD child needs a lot more help than schools are willing to give. Totally different issue to "Common Core's epic fail: Special Education".

As a teacher, I can say that all LD kids are not the same. Some need a lot more help than others, and some cannot handle the same curriculum as others.

Which is why I stated on a previous post that maybe a more watered down curriculum is needed for such LD kids.

Who determines which LD child gets the watered down curriculum? This has been the problem in the past, the schools have an incentive to put as many as they can in the water down curriculum- short changing those student who would rise to the higher bar.

And this has to do with Common Core how?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So, you are saying that you think a lot of kids with LDs *can* achieve the CC standards, but that they just need a lot more help. Well, that is contrary to what OP and others have been saying about their LD kids, and supports the opposing view that there is nothing wrong with CC standards. Your problem, and perhaps those of others, is just that the LD child needs a lot more help than schools are willing to give. Totally different issue to "Common Core's epic fail: Special Education".

As a teacher, I can say that all LD kids are not the same. Some need a lot more help than others, and some cannot handle the same curriculum as others.

Can you give an example of an LD where the student could not handle the curriculum? I say this a the parent of a child with profound dyslexia, profound dysgraphia and dual type ADHD (as well as mild OCD, and moderate anxiety)- who can handle the curriculum with supports and who received quite a bit of reading and writing remediation through 8th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, you are saying that you think a lot of kids with LDs *can* achieve the CC standards, but that they just need a lot more help. Well, that is contrary to what OP and others have been saying about their LD kids, and supports the opposing view that there is nothing wrong with CC standards. Your problem, and perhaps those of others, is just that the LD child needs a lot more help than schools are willing to give. Totally different issue to "Common Core's epic fail: Special Education".

As a teacher, I can say that all LD kids are not the same. Some need a lot more help than others, and some cannot handle the same curriculum as others.

Which is why I stated on a previous post that maybe a more watered down curriculum is needed for such LD kids.

Who determines which LD child gets the watered down curriculum? This has been the problem in the past, the schools have an incentive to put as many as they can in the water down curriculum- short changing those student who would rise to the higher bar.

And this has to do with Common Core how?

We are talking about lowering the Common Core standards for a class of students. Plus, sometimes thread go on tangents that are useful and informational to others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, you are saying that you think a lot of kids with LDs *can* achieve the CC standards, but that they just need a lot more help. Well, that is contrary to what OP and others have been saying about their LD kids, and supports the opposing view that there is nothing wrong with CC standards. Your problem, and perhaps those of others, is just that the LD child needs a lot more help than schools are willing to give. Totally different issue to "Common Core's epic fail: Special Education".

As a teacher, I can say that all LD kids are not the same. Some need a lot more help than others, and some cannot handle the same curriculum as others.

Which is why I stated on a previous post that maybe a more watered down curriculum is needed for such LD kids.

Who determines which LD child gets the watered down curriculum? This has been the problem in the past, the schools have an incentive to put as many as they can in the water down curriculum- short changing those student who would rise to the higher bar.

Then this problem is not about CC and its epic fail of SN kids. The problem is the ability or inability of schools to meet *every* LD kids' needs, regardless of a curriculum or the standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, you are saying that you think a lot of kids with LDs *can* achieve the CC standards, but that they just need a lot more help. Well, that is contrary to what OP and others have been saying about their LD kids, and supports the opposing view that there is nothing wrong with CC standards. Your problem, and perhaps those of others, is just that the LD child needs a lot more help than schools are willing to give. Totally different issue to "Common Core's epic fail: Special Education".

As a teacher, I can say that all LD kids are not the same. Some need a lot more help than others, and some cannot handle the same curriculum as others.

Which is why I stated on a previous post that maybe a more watered down curriculum is needed for such LD kids.

Who determines which LD child gets the watered down curriculum? This has been the problem in the past, the schools have an incentive to put as many as they can in the water down curriculum- short changing those student who would rise to the higher bar.

At this point it has become clear that the greatest opposition to Common Core standards comes from parents of learning disabled children. I'd say let ANY parent opt their child out of meeting the standards, as long as that child qualifies as learning disabled. That would allow the rest of our kids to be taught under common core standards and prepared for college, and parents of children with LDs who WANT their children helped to these standards can also have that happen. But parents who feel it is inappropriate can design their own standards for their kids, or use whatever standards the state used in past years if they feel that was better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So, you are saying that you think a lot of kids with LDs *can* achieve the CC standards, but that they just need a lot more help. Well, that is contrary to what OP and others have been saying about their LD kids, and supports the opposing view that there is nothing wrong with CC standards. Your problem, and perhaps those of others, is just that the LD child needs a lot more help than schools are willing to give. Totally different issue to "Common Core's epic fail: Special Education".

As a teacher, I can say that all LD kids are not the same. Some need a lot more help than others, and some cannot handle the same curriculum as others.

Can you give an example of an LD where the student could not handle the curriculum? I say this a the parent of a child with profound dyslexia, profound dysgraphia and dual type ADHD (as well as mild OCD, and moderate anxiety)- who can handle the curriculum with supports and who received quite a bit of reading and writing remediation through 8th grade.

A child with receptive language issues who doesn't understand what words mean may be able to do math but not explain it.

[Anonymous]

At this point it has become clear that the greatest opposition to Common Core standards comes from parents of learning disabled children

Duh. Read the title of the thread. There are plenty of other complaints on other threads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

At this point it has become clear that the greatest opposition to Common Core standards comes from parents of learning disabled children. I'd say let ANY parent opt their child out of meeting the standards, as long as that child qualifies as learning disabled. That would allow the rest of our kids to be taught under common core standards and prepared for college, and parents of children with LDs who WANT their children helped to these standards can also have that happen. But parents who feel it is inappropriate can design their own standards for their kids, or use whatever standards the state used in past years if they feel that was better.

No, the greatest opposition to the Common Core standards comes from people whose political position is, "If Obama supports it, I'm against it."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

At this point it has become clear that the greatest opposition to Common Core standards comes from parents of learning disabled children

Duh. Read the title of the thread. There are plenty of other complaints on other threads.

Not really. It mostly seems to be the one parent of the 7th grade learning disabled child with receptive language issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

At this point it has become clear that the greatest opposition to Common Core standards comes from parents of learning disabled children. I'd say let ANY parent opt their child out of meeting the standards, as long as that child qualifies as learning disabled. That would allow the rest of our kids to be taught under common core standards and prepared for college, and parents of children with LDs who WANT their children helped to these standards can also have that happen. But parents who feel it is inappropriate can design their own standards for their kids, or use whatever standards the state used in past years if they feel that was better.

No, the greatest opposition to the Common Core standards comes from people whose political position is, "If Obama supports it, I'm against it."

That's *definitely* a big part of it, but there are other strange bedfellows, i.e. teacher's union folks who don't like the accountability and expectations that come with standards and testing.

[Anonymous]

Also, parents and teachers with common sense who know that the standards were not properly developed with teacher input.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, parents and teachers with common sense who know that the standards were not properly developed with teacher input.

Any person who believes that is misinformed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

At this point it has become clear that the greatest opposition to Common Core standards comes from parents of learning disabled children

Duh. Read the title of the thread. There are plenty of other complaints on other threads.

Not really. It mostly seems to be the one parent of the 7th grade learning disabled child with receptive language issues.

Yes, she solely accounts for the 70 percent of people now against Common Core.

[Anonymous]

From the New York Times yestersday: More than 650 comments -- almost universally against Common Core. And rage pretty much describes how I feel about the Common Core.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/28/opinion/sunday/rage-against-the-common-core.html?_r=0

Rage against the Common Core.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/28/opinion/sunday/rage-against-the-common-core.html?_r=0

Rebellions have also sprouted in Democratic-leaning states. Last spring, between 55,000 and 65,000 New York State students opted out of taking tests linked to the Common Core. Criticizing these tests as “unproven,” the Chicago schools chief, Barbara Byrd-Bennett, declared that she didn’t want her students to take them.

In a Phi Delta Kappa/Gallup poll conducted last spring, 57 percent of public school parents opposed “having teachers in your community use the Common Core State Standards to guide what they teach,” nearly double the proportion of those who supported the goals. With the standards, the sheer volume of high-stakes standardized testing has ballooned. “The numbers and consequences of these tests have driven public opinion over the edge,” notes Robert A. Schaeffer of the National Center for Fair and Open Testing, known as FairTest.

Students are terrified by these tests because the results can jeopardize their prospects for advancement and graduation. In New York, the number of students who scored “proficient” plummeted by about 30 percentage points in 2013, the first year of testing. Some 70 percent scored below the cutoff level in math and English; the 2014 results in math were modestly better, but the English language scores didn’t budge