Greendland - why not?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump says he’s adding a 10% tariff to all the countries that sent troops to defend Greenland against an American invasion, increasing to 25% in June if he’s not allowed to buy Greenland.


All this does us further isolate the US diplomatically and economically. But MAGA, right?

You act as though either Denmark or the US will own Greenland. And more plausible scenario is that the US will own it, or China or Russia will. Denmark is not capable of defending Greenland. Be serious for a moment. They cannot. So either we take it and defend it, or China and Russia will.

Um, as a NATO member, *we* are supposed to help defend Greenland.

NATO is supposed to be a shared defense organization. Not a "you can eff around, spend nothing on defense, and America will come rescue you" organization. I really don't give a crap how Europeans feel about any of this. You do realize that they have free health care and incredible social benefits, while expecting us to pay for their defense. How is that fair to poor Americans? I'm not okay with this. They can either step up and pull their weight, or we will take Greenland and more. And furthermore, if they want to seek protection from Russia rather than us, they will be in an even worse boat. They have completely given up- stagnant economies, moronic decisions like closing nuclear plants so now high energy bills and worse pollution, no defense, no children and no future.

Europe has shown up for some of our military nonsense, like Iraq.

And if you want to change something, this is *not* the way to go about it.

But why would anyone expect a guy with 3 failed marriages to know anything about maintaining relationships?

No. You're making things up now. The same European nations that are countering us right now, countered us with the Global War on Terror. Jacques Chiroc famously tried to stop the Iraq war on the grounds that it was, in his words, a violation of international law. He threatened to use France's veto power at the UN security council. Germany agreed, which is why we pulled our troops out and closed our bases in Germany. PP, if you view international relations as being just like a marriage, you are dangerously naive and out of your depth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Europe is smart, they'll shrug and ignore him. It's us the stupid tariffs hurt, and 25% doesn't kick in until June and there's a non-negligible chance that Trump will be in the memory care unit by then.

Wrong. I am French and certain industries that export mainly to the US have been devastated by tariffs, like cognac. It entirely depends on what you sell to whom, and some merchants have great difficulty pivoting to find new clients elsewhere. They're going under.

Americans have no concept of how exposed Europe is to international trade shocks. They do not understand the relative percent of GDP based on export. Europe will have to cave before we ever would.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump says he’s adding a 10% tariff to all the countries that sent troops to defend Greenland against an American invasion, increasing to 25% in June if he’s not allowed to buy Greenland.


All this does us further isolate the US diplomatically and economically. But MAGA, right?

You act as though either Denmark or the US will own Greenland. And more plausible scenario is that the US will own it, or China or Russia will. Denmark is not capable of defending Greenland. Be serious for a moment. They cannot. So either we take it and defend it, or China and Russia will.

Um, as a NATO member, *we* are supposed to help defend Greenland.

NATO is supposed to be a shared defense organization. Not a "you can eff around, spend nothing on defense, and America will come rescue you" organization. I really don't give a crap how Europeans feel about any of this. You do realize that they have free health care and incredible social benefits, while expecting us to pay for their defense. How is that fair to poor Americans? I'm not okay with this. They can either step up and pull their weight, or we will take Greenland and more. And furthermore, if they want to seek protection from Russia rather than us, they will be in an even worse boat. They have completely given up- stagnant economies, moronic decisions like closing nuclear plants so now high energy bills and worse pollution, no defense, no children and no future.

Europe has shown up for some of our military nonsense, like Iraq.

And if you want to change something, this is *not* the way to go about it.

But why would anyone expect a guy with 3 failed marriages to know anything about maintaining relationships?

No. You're making things up now. The same European nations that are countering us right now, countered us with the Global War on Terror. Jacques Chiroc famously tried to stop the Iraq war on the grounds that it was, in his words, a violation of international law. He threatened to use France's veto power at the UN security council. Germany agreed, which is why we pulled our troops out and closed our bases in Germany. PP, if you view international relations as being just like a marriage, you are dangerously naive and out of your depth.

As it turns out, they were right about eveything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Europe is smart, they'll shrug and ignore him. It's us the stupid tariffs hurt, and 25% doesn't kick in until June and there's a non-negligible chance that Trump will be in the memory care unit by then.

Wrong. I am French and certain industries that export mainly to the US have been devastated by tariffs, like cognac. It entirely depends on what you sell to whom, and some merchants have great difficulty pivoting to find new clients elsewhere. They're going under.

Americans have no concept of how exposed Europe is to international trade shocks. They do not understand the relative percent of GDP based on export. Europe will have to cave before we ever would.

This is why they are building a world without the US. It will be painful, but they’ve learned that they can’t count on a country that puts fragile children in charge that make irrational and emotional decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Europe is smart, they'll shrug and ignore him. It's us the stupid tariffs hurt, and 25% doesn't kick in until June and there's a non-negligible chance that Trump will be in the memory care unit by then.

Wrong. I am French and certain industries that export mainly to the US have been devastated by tariffs, like cognac. It entirely depends on what you sell to whom, and some merchants have great difficulty pivoting to find new clients elsewhere. They're going under.

Americans have no concept of how exposed Europe is to international trade shocks. They do not understand the relative percent of GDP based on export. Europe will have to cave before we ever would.

Maybe. or maybe this is the thing that makes them realize where this is heading and they have to do the hard thing. War involves deprivation for the populace. They haven’t chosen this conflict - Trump has.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump says he’s adding a 10% tariff to all the countries that sent troops to defend Greenland against an American invasion, increasing to 25% in June if he’s not allowed to buy Greenland.


All this does us further isolate the US diplomatically and economically. But MAGA, right?

You act as though either Denmark or the US will own Greenland. And more plausible scenario is that the US will own it, or China or Russia will. Denmark is not capable of defending Greenland. Be serious for a moment. They cannot. So either we take it and defend it, or China and Russia will.

Um, as a NATO member, *we* are supposed to help defend Greenland.

NATO is supposed to be a shared defense organization. Not a "you can eff around, spend nothing on defense, and America will come rescue you" organization. I really don't give a crap how Europeans feel about any of this. You do realize that they have free health care and incredible social benefits, while expecting us to pay for their defense. How is that fair to poor Americans? I'm not okay with this. They can either step up and pull their weight, or we will take Greenland and more. And furthermore, if they want to seek protection from Russia rather than us, they will be in an even worse boat. They have completely given up- stagnant economies, moronic decisions like closing nuclear plants so now high energy bills and worse pollution, no defense, no children and no future.

Europe has shown up for some of our military nonsense, like Iraq.

And if you want to change something, this is *not* the way to go about it.

But why would anyone expect a guy with 3 failed marriages to know anything about maintaining relationships?

No. You're making things up now. The same European nations that are countering us right now, countered us with the Global War on Terror. Jacques Chiroc famously tried to stop the Iraq war on the grounds that it was, in his words, a violation of international law. He threatened to use France's veto power at the UN security council. Germany agreed, which is why we pulled our troops out and closed our bases in Germany. PP, if you view international relations as being just like a marriage, you are dangerously naive and out of your depth.

As it turns out, they were right about eveything.

I won't weigh in either way. The point is, you're totally wrong that we have great relationships with these nations and that Trump is suddenly threatening the international balance of power. Things have been deteriorating with them for decades now, and we cannot rely on them to do basically anything. They won't even sit there and shut up while we fight for their oil- they actively sabotage our efforts to protect Europe. When China and Russia come for Greenland, Denmark will not protect it. The 13 soldiers that Germany rounded up and deployed to Greenland also will not be able to protect it. You need to grow up and realize that Greenland is too hot a commodity to continue to be held by a nation as weak as Denmark and decide whose side your on: Russia, China, or the US.

[Anonymous]

Do we even have $7000 Billion lying around? Wait...didn't he also promise us $5k in Dodge dividends and a $2k Tariff check?

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^^^$700 Billion

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump says he’s adding a 10% tariff to all the countries that sent troops to defend Greenland against an American invasion, increasing to 25% in June if he’s not allowed to buy Greenland.


All this does us further isolate the US diplomatically and economically. But MAGA, right?

You act as though either Denmark or the US will own Greenland. And more plausible scenario is that the US will own it, or China or Russia will. Denmark is not capable of defending Greenland. Be serious for a moment. They cannot. So either we take it and defend it, or China and Russia will.

Um, as a NATO member, *we* are supposed to help defend Greenland.

NATO is supposed to be a shared defense organization. Not a "you can eff around, spend nothing on defense, and America will come rescue you" organization. I really don't give a crap how Europeans feel about any of this. You do realize that they have free health care and incredible social benefits, while expecting us to pay for their defense. How is that fair to poor Americans? I'm not okay with this. They can either step up and pull their weight, or we will take Greenland and more. And furthermore, if they want to seek protection from Russia rather than us, they will be in an even worse boat. They have completely given up- stagnant economies, moronic decisions like closing nuclear plants so now high energy bills and worse pollution, no defense, no children and no future.

Europe has shown up for some of our military nonsense, like Iraq.

And if you want to change something, this is *not* the way to go about it.

But why would anyone expect a guy with 3 failed marriages to know anything about maintaining relationships?

No. You're making things up now. The same European nations that are countering us right now, countered us with the Global War on Terror. Jacques Chiroc famously tried to stop the Iraq war on the grounds that it was, in his words, a violation of international law. He threatened to use France's veto power at the UN security council. Germany agreed, which is why we pulled our troops out and closed our bases in Germany. PP, if you view international relations as being just like a marriage, you are dangerously naive and out of your depth.

As it turns out, they were right about eveything.

I won't weigh in either way. The point is, you're totally wrong that we have great relationships with these nations and that Trump is suddenly threatening the international balance of power. Things have been deteriorating with them for decades now, and we cannot rely on them to do basically anything. They won't even sit there and shut up while we fight for their oil- they actively sabotage our efforts to protect Europe. When China and Russia come for Greenland, Denmark will not protect it. The 13 soldiers that Germany rounded up and deployed to Greenland also will not be able to protect it. You need to grow up and realize that Greenland is too hot a commodity to continue to be held by a nation as weak as Denmark and decide whose side your on: Russia, China, or the US.

I choose Greenland. Lol.

[Anonymous]

“ Trump says on Feb 1 he will impose a 10% tariff “on any and all goods sent” to US from Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, UK, Netherlands, & Finland, increasing to 25% June 1 “until such time as a Deal is reached for the Complete and Total purchase of Greenland.”

lol…everyone must suffer until trumps feelings are less hurt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Europe is smart, they'll shrug and ignore him. It's us the stupid tariffs hurt, and 25% doesn't kick in until June and there's a non-negligible chance that Trump will be in the memory care unit by then.

Wrong. I am French and certain industries that export mainly to the US have been devastated by tariffs, like cognac. It entirely depends on what you sell to whom, and some merchants have great difficulty pivoting to find new clients elsewhere. They're going under.

Americans have no concept of how exposed Europe is to international trade shocks. They do not understand the relative percent of GDP based on export. Europe will have to cave before we ever would.

Maybe. or maybe this is the thing that makes them realize where this is heading and they have to do the hard thing. War involves deprivation for the populace. They haven’t chosen this conflict - Trump has.

Go spend some time researching the tailspin their economy is in-- they did that all by themselves by being lazy. If we add in international trade shocks, they will end up in crisis. And Europeans expect comfortable lives provided by the government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“ Trump says on Feb 1 he will impose a 10% tariff “on any and all goods sent” to US from Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, UK, Netherlands, & Finland, increasing to 25% June 1 “until such time as a Deal is reached for the Complete and Total purchase of Greenland.”

lol…everyone must suffer until trumps feelings are less hurt.

It's pathetic that you think this is about feelings. Americans are so uneducated. It's embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump says he’s adding a 10% tariff to all the countries that sent troops to defend Greenland against an American invasion, increasing to 25% in June if he’s not allowed to buy Greenland.


All this does us further isolate the US diplomatically and economically. But MAGA, right?

You act as though either Denmark or the US will own Greenland. And more plausible scenario is that the US will own it, or China or Russia will. Denmark is not capable of defending Greenland. Be serious for a moment. They cannot. So either we take it and defend it, or China and Russia will.

Um, as a NATO member, *we* are supposed to help defend Greenland.

NATO is supposed to be a shared defense organization. Not a "you can eff around, spend nothing on defense, and America will come rescue you" organization. I really don't give a crap how Europeans feel about any of this. You do realize that they have free health care and incredible social benefits, while expecting us to pay for their defense. How is that fair to poor Americans? I'm not okay with this. They can either step up and pull their weight, or we will take Greenland and more. And furthermore, if they want to seek protection from Russia rather than us, they will be in an even worse boat. They have completely given up- stagnant economies, moronic decisions like closing nuclear plants so now high energy bills and worse pollution, no defense, no children and no future.

Europe has shown up for some of our military nonsense, like Iraq.

And if you want to change something, this is *not* the way to go about it.

But why would anyone expect a guy with 3 failed marriages to know anything about maintaining relationships?

No. You're making things up now. The same European nations that are countering us right now, countered us with the Global War on Terror. Jacques Chiroc famously tried to stop the Iraq war on the grounds that it was, in his words, a violation of international law. He threatened to use France's veto power at the UN security council. Germany agreed, which is why we pulled our troops out and closed our bases in Germany. PP, if you view international relations as being just like a marriage, you are dangerously naive and out of your depth.

The only time Article V has been invoked was 9/11 and Europe stepped up in Afghanistan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump says he’s adding a 10% tariff to all the countries that sent troops to defend Greenland against an American invasion, increasing to 25% in June if he’s not allowed to buy Greenland.


All this does us further isolate the US diplomatically and economically. But MAGA, right?

You act as though either Denmark or the US will own Greenland. And more plausible scenario is that the US will own it, or China or Russia will. Denmark is not capable of defending Greenland. Be serious for a moment. They cannot. So either we take it and defend it, or China and Russia will.

Um, as a NATO member, *we* are supposed to help defend Greenland.

NATO is supposed to be a shared defense organization. Not a "you can eff around, spend nothing on defense, and America will come rescue you" organization. I really don't give a crap how Europeans feel about any of this. You do realize that they have free health care and incredible social benefits, while expecting us to pay for their defense. How is that fair to poor Americans? I'm not okay with this. They can either step up and pull their weight, or we will take Greenland and more. And furthermore, if they want to seek protection from Russia rather than us, they will be in an even worse boat. They have completely given up- stagnant economies, moronic decisions like closing nuclear plants so now high energy bills and worse pollution, no defense, no children and no future.

Europe has shown up for some of our military nonsense, like Iraq.

And if you want to change something, this is *not* the way to go about it.

But why would anyone expect a guy with 3 failed marriages to know anything about maintaining relationships?

No. You're making things up now. The same European nations that are countering us right now, countered us with the Global War on Terror. Jacques Chiroc famously tried to stop the Iraq war on the grounds that it was, in his words, a violation of international law. He threatened to use France's veto power at the UN security council. Germany agreed, which is why we pulled our troops out and closed our bases in Germany. PP, if you view international relations as being just like a marriage, you are dangerously naive and out of your depth.

As it turns out, they were right about eveything.

I won't weigh in either way. The point is, you're totally wrong that we have great relationships with these nations and that Trump is suddenly threatening the international balance of power. Things have been deteriorating with them for decades now, and we cannot rely on them to do basically anything. They won't even sit there and shut up while we fight for their oil- they actively sabotage our efforts to protect Europe. When China and Russia come for Greenland, Denmark will not protect it. The 13 soldiers that Germany rounded up and deployed to Greenland also will not be able to protect it. You need to grow up and realize that Greenland is too hot a commodity to continue to be held by a nation as weak as Denmark and decide whose side your on: Russia, China, or the US.

I choose Greenland. Lol.

So does the world and half of the US. So does an awful lot of the military leadership.

Are we drafting Barron? Is Hegseth going to flexed arm hang his way up there to lead?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump says he’s adding a 10% tariff to all the countries that sent troops to defend Greenland against an American invasion, increasing to 25% in June if he’s not allowed to buy Greenland.


All this does us further isolate the US diplomatically and economically. But MAGA, right?

You act as though either Denmark or the US will own Greenland. And more plausible scenario is that the US will own it, or China or Russia will. Denmark is not capable of defending Greenland. Be serious for a moment. They cannot. So either we take it and defend it, or China and Russia will.

Um, as a NATO member, *we* are supposed to help defend Greenland.

NATO is supposed to be a shared defense organization. Not a "you can eff around, spend nothing on defense, and America will come rescue you" organization. I really don't give a crap how Europeans feel about any of this. You do realize that they have free health care and incredible social benefits, while expecting us to pay for their defense. How is that fair to poor Americans? I'm not okay with this. They can either step up and pull their weight, or we will take Greenland and more. And furthermore, if they want to seek protection from Russia rather than us, they will be in an even worse boat. They have completely given up- stagnant economies, moronic decisions like closing nuclear plants so now high energy bills and worse pollution, no defense, no children and no future.

Europe has shown up for some of our military nonsense, like Iraq.

And if you want to change something, this is *not* the way to go about it.

But why would anyone expect a guy with 3 failed marriages to know anything about maintaining relationships?

No. You're making things up now. The same European nations that are countering us right now, countered us with the Global War on Terror. Jacques Chiroc famously tried to stop the Iraq war on the grounds that it was, in his words, a violation of international law. He threatened to use France's veto power at the UN security council. Germany agreed, which is why we pulled our troops out and closed our bases in Germany. PP, if you view international relations as being just like a marriage, you are dangerously naive and out of your depth.

The only time Article V has been invoked was 9/11 and Europe stepped up in Afghanistan.

"Europe" is not a country nor does it have a standing army. Re-read my post and respond to what I actually said, not what you wish I had said because you want to argue but can't do it on the merits.