Hogan running for Senate

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Yikes. That's pretty bad for Hogan to lose 30% of the vote to that Robin Ficker of all people. Seems like Hogan is not as popular as people think he is.

Have you looked at Ficker’s positions? He’s way to the right of Hogan. The people who voted for him will vote for Hogan in the general election.

Did these people not see Fickers ads? He went full MAGA. None of those folks will refuse to vote for Hogan in the general election.

MAGAs hate Hogan and may not actually vote for him in the general.

As between Hogan and Alsobrooks the MAGA’s and other GOP will vote for Hogan, without exception.

MAGAs won't vote for Hogan unless he bends the knee before Trump and receives his endorsement.

If he does that, any right minded conservative or independent will vote for Alsobrooks.
If he doesn't do that, the MAGAs stay home.

See the problem he and other traditional conservsiives have?

If the MAGAs stay home, Larry still wins.

They called him a RINO in 2018 and he still got 55% of the vote. All this will still be red, whether or not MAGA turns out (even though I think they will)

In what universe is Montgomery County turning red

That universe is the one we currently exist in where an election already happened.

Wrong. Montgomery County voted for both Anthony Brown and Ben Jealous over Hogan
https://elections.maryland.gov/elections/2018/results/general/gen_results_2018_2_by_county_16-1.html

The map was by Congressional District from the 2018 gubernatorial election.

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Yikes. That's pretty bad for Hogan to lose 30% of the vote to that Robin Ficker of all people. Seems like Hogan is not as popular as people think he is.

Have you looked at Ficker’s positions? He’s way to the right of Hogan. The people who voted for him will vote for Hogan in the general election.

Did these people not see Fickers ads? He went full MAGA. None of those folks will refuse to vote for Hogan in the general election.

MAGAs hate Hogan and may not actually vote for him in the general.

As between Hogan and Alsobrooks the MAGA’s and other GOP will vote for Hogan, without exception.

MAGAs won't vote for Hogan unless he bends the knee before Trump and receives his endorsement.

If he does that, any right minded conservative or independent will vote for Alsobrooks.
If he doesn't do that, the MAGAs stay home.

See the problem he and other traditional conservsiives have?

If the MAGAs stay home, Larry still wins.

They called him a RINO in 2018 and he still got 55% of the vote. All this will still be red, whether or not MAGA turns out (even though I think they will)

You seem to be confused between 2018 and 2024.

In 2024, there are a lot of issues that were not present during his 2014 and 2018 runs for governor. And senator and governor are two completely different races and his governor's races are not necessarily indicative of his success in a senate race.

The overturn of Roe v Wade and the attacks on women's rights in the last 2 years have increased turnout of the 18-35 and suburban women votes. These are two groups who typically have low voter turnout, but have increased turnout in the last two years whenever anything that touches on these rights is on the ballot. Alsobrooks has been making abortion rights a platform issue and will be drawing those groups out in higher than traditional numbers. These groups tend to vote significantly (usually 60-85%) in favor of abortion rights.

The last few years have shown how much the US Senate has changed the political landscape, from judicial appointments including SCOTUS to federal funding to federal legislation. The two parties are less likely to work bipartisanly and bicamerally than ever before, so the party in power wields a lot more control. MD has not elected a Republican Senator in nearly 50 years and with the states as high as they are, it is unlikely that they will do so now, regardless of how popular Hogan is/was. Hogan has said that he will caucus with the Republicans and that will influence many of the people who have voted for him in the past. As a governor, the legislature serves as a check and balance. As a Senator, there is no checks and balance. Each Senator is a vote for their party and there are not enough people in MD that will vote to allow Republicans to take control of the Senate.

Plus most 16 year-olds can vote in many parts of md now.

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Yikes. That's pretty bad for Hogan to lose 30% of the vote to that Robin Ficker of all people. Seems like Hogan is not as popular as people think he is.

Have you looked at Ficker’s positions? He’s way to the right of Hogan. The people who voted for him will vote for Hogan in the general election.

Did these people not see Fickers ads? He went full MAGA. None of those folks will refuse to vote for Hogan in the general election.

MAGAs hate Hogan and may not actually vote for him in the general.

As between Hogan and Alsobrooks the MAGA’s and other GOP will vote for Hogan, without exception.

MAGAs won't vote for Hogan unless he bends the knee before Trump and receives his endorsement.

If he does that, any right minded conservative or independent will vote for Alsobrooks.
If he doesn't do that, the MAGAs stay home.

See the problem he and other traditional conservsiives have?

If the MAGAs stay home, Larry still wins.

They called him a RINO in 2018 and he still got 55% of the vote. All this will still be red, whether or not MAGA turns out (even though I think they will)

You seem to be confused between 2018 and 2024.

In 2024, there are a lot of issues that were not present during his 2014 and 2018 runs for governor. And senator and governor are two completely different races and his governor's races are not necessarily indicative of his success in a senate race.

The overturn of Roe v Wade and the attacks on women's rights in the last 2 years have increased turnout of the 18-35 and suburban women votes. These are two groups who typically have low voter turnout, but have increased turnout in the last two years whenever anything that touches on these rights is on the ballot. Alsobrooks has been making abortion rights a platform issue and will be drawing those groups out in higher than traditional numbers. These groups tend to vote significantly (usually 60-85%) in favor of abortion rights.

The last few years have shown how much the US Senate has changed the political landscape, from judicial appointments including SCOTUS to federal funding to federal legislation. The two parties are less likely to work bipartisanly and bicamerally than ever before, so the party in power wields a lot more control. MD has not elected a Republican Senator in nearly 50 years and with the states as high as they are, it is unlikely that they will do so now, regardless of how popular Hogan is/was. Hogan has said that he will caucus with the Republicans and that will influence many of the people who have voted for him in the past. As a governor, the legislature serves as a check and balance. As a Senator, there is no checks and balance. Each Senator is a vote for their party and there are not enough people in MD that will vote to allow Republicans to take control of the Senate.

Plus most 16 year-olds can vote in many parts of md now.

Not for US Senate they can’t. https://vote16usa.org/project/maryland/

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Yikes. That's pretty bad for Hogan to lose 30% of the vote to that Robin Ficker of all people. Seems like Hogan is not as popular as people think he is.

Have you looked at Ficker’s positions? He’s way to the right of Hogan. The people who voted for him will vote for Hogan in the general election.

Did these people not see Fickers ads? He went full MAGA. None of those folks will refuse to vote for Hogan in the general election.

MAGAs hate Hogan and may not actually vote for him in the general.

As between Hogan and Alsobrooks the MAGA’s and other GOP will vote for Hogan, without exception.

MAGAs won't vote for Hogan unless he bends the knee before Trump and receives his endorsement.

If he does that, any right minded conservative or independent will vote for Alsobrooks.
If he doesn't do that, the MAGAs stay home.

See the problem he and other traditional conservsiives have?

I think he needs to speak more to the moderate and independent voters to win. He is already distant from Donald Trump.

I don't think it will be possible to successfully distance yourself from Donald Trump when you're running as a Republican in November 2024.

You might be right about that. Angela Alsobrooks was even running ads linking David Trone to Donald Trump.

Wait - Trone is MAGA ?

Trone gave a lot of political donations to Republicans in power in states where Total Wine does business.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/05/16/maryland-senate-race-abortion-rights/

Hogan claims to support Roe.

In the Senate, if the GOP controls the gavel, it won't matter what Hogan supports.

Also, will MAGAs turn out for a 'RINO" candidate who supports Roe?

The idea that Hogan did anything but leave the MD abortion laws alone- is just not based in reality.

His veto was the dems bill to allow non Doctors to perform the procedure. Something that in 2022 was not allowed in any state, and even now only in 3 (including MD).

Somehow that has made the narrative "HES ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST WOMEN'S PRODUCTIVE RIGHTS!!!!" and that is just beyond silly.

Hopefully his announcement yesterday diffused the issue, and dems will actually have to have a substance based campaign, and not just Roe roe roe x 10,000 till November.

Will Hogan give Republicans the 50th vote to confirm Trump’s Supreme Court nominees? Yes he will.

What Hogan personally believes is totally irrelevant. He will confirm Trump’s SC nominees. That’s the only thing that matters.

He just announced today that he is enthusiastically pro choice and will fight to restore Roe. So he’ll do whatever it takes to restore it, and we can interpret that to mean any number of things. It appears he seeks to represent most Marylanders in Congress, whatever their political persuasion.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/05/16/maryland-senate-race-abortion-rights/

Hogan claims to support Roe.

In the Senate, if the GOP controls the gavel, it won't matter what Hogan supports.

Also, will MAGAs turn out for a 'RINO" candidate who supports Roe?

The idea that Hogan did anything but leave the MD abortion laws alone- is just not based in reality.

His veto was the dems bill to allow non Doctors to perform the procedure. Something that in 2022 was not allowed in any state, and even now only in 3 (including MD).

Somehow that has made the narrative "HES ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST WOMEN'S PRODUCTIVE RIGHTS!!!!" and that is just beyond silly.

Hopefully his announcement yesterday diffused the issue, and dems will actually have to have a substance based campaign, and not just Roe roe roe x 10,000 till November.

Will Hogan give Republicans the 50th vote to confirm Trump’s Supreme Court nominees? Yes he will.

What Hogan personally believes is totally irrelevant. He will confirm Trump’s SC nominees. That’s the only thing that matters.

He just announced today that he is enthusiastically pro choice and will fight to restore Roe. So he’ll do whatever it takes to restore it, and we can interpret that to mean any number of things. It appears he seeks to represent most Marylanders in Congress, whatever their political persuasion.

He said nothing of the sort-- why do you feel the need to lie. He did say he would support efforts to restore Roe but he certainly did not say he is enthusiastically prochoice and will "fight" for abortion rights. I think his plan is just to say that and count on the filibuster to avoid these bills ever even coming up while he votes to confirm all of the judges who will enforce the Comstock Act and effectively ban abortion, and then contraception

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/05/16/maryland-senate-race-abortion-rights/

Hogan claims to support Roe.

In the Senate, if the GOP controls the gavel, it won't matter what Hogan supports.

Also, will MAGAs turn out for a 'RINO" candidate who supports Roe?

The idea that Hogan did anything but leave the MD abortion laws alone- is just not based in reality.

His veto was the dems bill to allow non Doctors to perform the procedure. Something that in 2022 was not allowed in any state, and even now only in 3 (including MD).

Somehow that has made the narrative "HES ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST WOMEN'S PRODUCTIVE RIGHTS!!!!" and that is just beyond silly.

Hopefully his announcement yesterday diffused the issue, and dems will actually have to have a substance based campaign, and not just Roe roe roe x 10,000 till November.

Will Hogan give Republicans the 50th vote to confirm Trump’s Supreme Court nominees? Yes he will.

What Hogan personally believes is totally irrelevant. He will confirm Trump’s SC nominees. That’s the only thing that matters.

He just announced today that he is enthusiastically pro choice and will fight to restore Roe. So he’ll do whatever it takes to restore it, and we can interpret that to mean any number of things. It appears he seeks to represent most Marylanders in Congress, whatever their political persuasion.

Susan Collins is pro-choice. How did that work out?

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/05/16/maryland-senate-race-abortion-rights/

Hogan claims to support Roe.

In the Senate, if the GOP controls the gavel, it won't matter what Hogan supports.

Also, will MAGAs turn out for a 'RINO" candidate who supports Roe?

The idea that Hogan did anything but leave the MD abortion laws alone- is just not based in reality.

His veto was the dems bill to allow non Doctors to perform the procedure. Something that in 2022 was not allowed in any state, and even now only in 3 (including MD).

Somehow that has made the narrative "HES ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST WOMEN'S PRODUCTIVE RIGHTS!!!!" and that is just beyond silly.

Hopefully his announcement yesterday diffused the issue, and dems will actually have to have a substance based campaign, and not just Roe roe roe x 10,000 till November.

Will Hogan give Republicans the 50th vote to confirm Trump’s Supreme Court nominees? Yes he will.

What Hogan personally believes is totally irrelevant. He will confirm Trump’s SC nominees. That’s the only thing that matters.

He just announced today that he is enthusiastically pro choice and will fight to restore Roe. So he’ll do whatever it takes to restore it, and we can interpret that to mean any number of things. It appears he seeks to represent most Marylanders in Congress, whatever their political persuasion.

He said nothing of the sort-- why do you feel the need to lie. He did say he would support efforts to restore Roe but he certainly did not say he is enthusiastically prochoice and will "fight" for abortion rights. I think his plan is just to say that and count on the filibuster to avoid these bills ever even coming up while he votes to confirm all of the judges who will enforce the Comstock Act and effectively ban abortion, and then contraception

Yep. Notice how the Republican base doesn’t have any problem with Hogan’s “enthusiastic” pro-choice positions? What does that tell us? They know the bamboozlement and happy talk is meaningless. What counts is votes in the senate. And Hogan will vote for their judges and SC justices without hesitation. The MAGA base knows the real truth.

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"Yep. Notice how the Republican base doesn’t have any problem with Hogan’s “enthusiastic” pro-choice positions? What does that tell us? They know the bamboozlement and happy talk is meaningless. What counts is votes in the senate. And Hogan will vote for their judges and SC justices without hesitation. The MAGA base knows the real truth."

1000% This

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According to WTOP news Hogan “supports legislation to codify abortion rights into federal law.” Has anyone else made that pledge, Dem or R?

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Anonymous wrote:According to WTOP news Hogan “supports legislation to codify abortion rights into federal law.” Has anyone else made that pledge, Dem or R?

Doesn’t matter. Numbers, numbers. His election would likely put control of the Senate in Republican hands. That would be dire.

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Anonymous wrote:According to WTOP news Hogan “supports legislation to codify abortion rights into federal law.” Has anyone else made that pledge, Dem or R?

Every Democrat currently in the Senate or running for it has made that pledge. Except maybe Manchin.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/05/16/maryland-senate-race-abortion-rights/

Hogan claims to support Roe.

In the Senate, if the GOP controls the gavel, it won't matter what Hogan supports.

Also, will MAGAs turn out for a 'RINO" candidate who supports Roe?

The idea that Hogan did anything but leave the MD abortion laws alone- is just not based in reality.

His veto was the dems bill to allow non Doctors to perform the procedure. Something that in 2022 was not allowed in any state, and even now only in 3 (including MD).

Somehow that has made the narrative "HES ALWAYS BEEN AGAINST WOMEN'S PRODUCTIVE RIGHTS!!!!" and that is just beyond silly.

Hopefully his announcement yesterday diffused the issue, and dems will actually have to have a substance based campaign, and not just Roe roe roe x 10,000 till November.

Will Hogan give Republicans the 50th vote to confirm Trump’s Supreme Court nominees? Yes he will.

What Hogan personally believes is totally irrelevant. He will confirm Trump’s SC nominees. That’s the only thing that matters.

He just announced today that he is enthusiastically pro choice and will fight to restore Roe. So he’ll do whatever it takes to restore it, and we can interpret that to mean any number of things. It appears he seeks to represent most Marylanders in Congress, whatever their political persuasion.

Link?

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Anonymous wrote:According to WTOP news Hogan “supports legislation to codify abortion rights into federal law.” Has anyone else made that pledge, Dem or R?

And yet MAGA doesn’t care because they know it’s meaningless. There will only be a vote on this if Democrats control the senate and get rid of the filibuster, and there is basically no scenario where Hogan wins but Dems still have a senate majority.

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Anonymous wrote:According to WTOP news Hogan “supports legislation to codify abortion rights into federal law.” Has anyone else made that pledge, Dem or R?

Every Democrat currently in the Senate or running for it has made that pledge. Except maybe Manchin.

Obama promised that this would be the first bill that he signed as President. Then he won, Democrats had control of White House and both chambers of Congress and then they did nothing.