COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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Oh, and arresting teens on the beach in Australia. They allowed me to go to the movies in Ontario in January 2022, but I was masked and could not eat there... while my family was the only one there. But I could take popcorn home!
One day before, we could eat popcorn at the movies. Two weeks later we could eat there again.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

How big are the schools there? It's far easier to reopen with smaller schools or schools able to social distance. We would not able to social distance or much else which was the issue. A small private with 100 kids and tons of space can far more easily do that than a public with 3000 kids.

Their schools are as big or bigger! Suburban schools in Denver are just as big as the ones around here. And schools in DCPS are tiny -- many of the elementaries have just a few hundred kids. Some of the charters even less.

I mean, do you hear yourselves? There's always an excuse as to why schools elsewhere reopened much earlier than here, but the are all BS. The DMV is not substantially different from any other large metropolitan area in terms of demographics, school size and resources, etc. In fact, much of the DMV is significantly richer than other places which should have made reopening more likely, not less.

The biggest thing the DMV lacked in terms of getting kids back in school? Will. The places that reopened schools, whether you are talking about Germany or Des Moines or Mexico City, did so because they view school as a fundamental part of a functional society, and knew kids and families would struggle mightily without it. So they found ways to do it, whether it was hybrid schedules, shortened school days, opening windows and having kids where winter coats to class, aggressive quarantine policies, etc. And then when vaccines came they were able to relax some of those restrictions but didn't have to change much else because schools were already open.

In the DMV, we adopted this attitude excuse-making and elaborate explanations for why we're different than other places. It was hubris, this unchangeable belief that we are smarter and more conscientious than all other people. We're not. We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

Do you and others like you on this thread really believe that? Are you so traumatized that you actually believe the motivation was to hurt kids? Or lack of care about kids?

I am not arguing for keeping kids out of school or that kids shouldn't have gone back earlier than they did; far from it. But every time I read a post like yours that ends with a statement about hating kids or not caring, I just wonder what the F is wrong with you that this is your takeaway. That you actually believe that this was the motivation or that people you are arguing with online don't love their kids or don't care about kids. WTF. You need to get a grip.

The entire planet faced Covid. While it may have been correct to close schools in March 2020 as we dealt with the unknown, it was a terrible mistake to keep public schools closed for another year. Europe had schools open. A good percentage of the US had in person schooling. But we closed our public schools. And yet we let private schools remain open. Bars. Restaurants. Stores.

We threw public school kids under the bus. Apparently to make a stupid political point. Republicans kept schools open, ergo we must close ours. Never mind that private schools were open. People were going to bars. It was just a show. And the kids were the victims of it. I will never vote for any politician in this area who had anything to do with that.

No, it was a terrible mistake not to shut down other things as well and to be so relaxed about it. So many lives could have been saved it people just acted more responsibly and cared about others. How many kids lost their parents, their grandparents and other relatives? That is far more traumatic than virtual school.

People were going to get covid either way. We weren't going to go on total lockdown for 18 months.

Closing schools in March 2020 was an understandable, albeit unnecessary, reaction. Keeping schools closed in the fall just hurt kids and families.

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Anonymous wrote:Please! Librarians did not want to go back to work so a few homeless people would not come to the library! In MoCo.
Poor students suffered tremendously by sitting next to the wall of libraries to get some "remote" schooling done while their parents had to work at McDonald's and Wegmans and Chipotle so YOU all could get your food.
Rich people are always the same, me, me, nad some more about me.

They had child care for those families. It’s rich you don’t know that.

Really? For kids with ASD or other significant special needs? (Hint: No, they didn't.)

In a variety of ways, the services that were available were extremely limited in scope and availability.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

How big are the schools there? It's far easier to reopen with smaller schools or schools able to social distance. We would not able to social distance or much else which was the issue. A small private with 100 kids and tons of space can far more easily do that than a public with 3000 kids.

Their schools are as big or bigger! Suburban schools in Denver are just as big as the ones around here. And schools in DCPS are tiny -- many of the elementaries have just a few hundred kids. Some of the charters even less.

I mean, do you hear yourselves? There's always an excuse as to why schools elsewhere reopened much earlier than here, but the are all BS. The DMV is not substantially different from any other large metropolitan area in terms of demographics, school size and resources, etc. In fact, much of the DMV is significantly richer than other places which should have made reopening more likely, not less.

The biggest thing the DMV lacked in terms of getting kids back in school? Will. The places that reopened schools, whether you are talking about Germany or Des Moines or Mexico City, did so because they view school as a fundamental part of a functional society, and knew kids and families would struggle mightily without it. So they found ways to do it, whether it was hybrid schedules, shortened school days, opening windows and having kids where winter coats to class, aggressive quarantine policies, etc. And then when vaccines came they were able to relax some of those restrictions but didn't have to change much else because schools were already open.

In the DMV, we adopted this attitude excuse-making and elaborate explanations for why we're different than other places. It was hubris, this unchangeable belief that we are smarter and more conscientious than all other people. We're not. We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

Do you and others like you on this thread really believe that? Are you so traumatized that you actually believe the motivation was to hurt kids? Or lack of care about kids?

I am not arguing for keeping kids out of school or that kids shouldn't have gone back earlier than they did; far from it. But every time I read a post like yours that ends with a statement about hating kids or not caring, I just wonder what the F is wrong with you that this is your takeaway. That you actually believe that this was the motivation or that people you are arguing with online don't love their kids or don't care about kids. WTF. You need to get a grip.

The entire planet faced Covid. While it may have been correct to close schools in March 2020 as we dealt with the unknown, it was a terrible mistake to keep public schools closed for another year. Europe had schools open. A good percentage of the US had in person schooling. But we closed our public schools. And yet we let private schools remain open. Bars. Restaurants. Stores.

We threw public school kids under the bus. Apparently to make a stupid political point. Republicans kept schools open, ergo we must close ours. Never mind that private schools were open. People were going to bars. It was just a show. And the kids were the victims of it. I will never vote for any politician in this area who had anything to do with that.

No, it was a terrible mistake not to shut down other things as well and to be so relaxed about it. So many lives could have been saved it people just acted more responsibly and cared about others. How many kids lost their parents, their grandparents and other relatives? That is far more traumatic than virtual school.

People were going to get covid either way. We weren't going to go on total lockdown for 18 months.

Closing schools in March 2020 was an understandable, albeit unnecessary, reaction. Keeping schools closed in the fall just hurt kids and families.

We need a future generation that can’t progress and mow my lawn for $25 a week.

I’m joking, kinda, but I hope we ask the tough questions about the necessity of school closures. A whole generation of kids, especially the at-risk groups many people purport to help, will have life-long consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

What are you talking about? There were plenty of people who questioned everything and did whatever they wanted anyway. It’s not like the police came and arrested people for expressing dissenting views. Even in early covid when people were dying, plenty of people questioned why they had to be inconvenienced to save other people’s lives and behaved accordingly. Lockdowns were never going to work in this country because we are a narcissistic and selfish society who rarely behave for the greater good of community.

+1 million - one of the most notable things about the COVID response was the almost immediate rise of a faction of loud people that were determined to push back against any measure that would inconvenience them in the slightest.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

What are you talking about? There were plenty of people who questioned everything and did whatever they wanted anyway. It’s not like the police came and arrested people for expressing dissenting views. Even in early covid when people were dying, plenty of people questioned why they had to be inconvenienced to save other people’s lives and behaved accordingly. Lockdowns were never going to work in this country because we are a narcissistic and selfish society who rarely behave for the greater good of community.

+1 million - one of the most notable things about the COVID response was the almost immediate rise of a faction of loud people that were determined to push back against any measure that would inconvenience them in the slightest.

The measures were dumb. Just delaying the inevitable.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

What are you talking about? There were plenty of people who questioned everything and did whatever they wanted anyway. It’s not like the police came and arrested people for expressing dissenting views. Even in early covid when people were dying, plenty of people questioned why they had to be inconvenienced to save other people’s lives and behaved accordingly. Lockdowns were never going to work in this country because we are a narcissistic and selfish society who rarely behave for the greater good of community.

+1 million - one of the most notable things about the COVID response was the almost immediate rise of a faction of loud people that were determined to push back against any measure that would inconvenience them in the slightest.

The measures were dumb. Just delaying the inevitable.

It was beneficial to delay until vaccines were available

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

What are you talking about? There were plenty of people who questioned everything and did whatever they wanted anyway. It’s not like the police came and arrested people for expressing dissenting views. Even in early covid when people were dying, plenty of people questioned why they had to be inconvenienced to save other people’s lives and behaved accordingly. Lockdowns were never going to work in this country because we are a narcissistic and selfish society who rarely behave for the greater good of community.

+1 million - one of the most notable things about the COVID response was the almost immediate rise of a faction of loud people that were determined to push back against any measure that would inconvenience them in the slightest.

The measures were dumb. Just delaying the inevitable.

It was beneficial to delay until vaccines were available

Natural resistance could have built up in the interim. That’s the primary defense now. Not many are getting the vaccine these days.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

What are you talking about? There were plenty of people who questioned everything and did whatever they wanted anyway. It’s not like the police came and arrested people for expressing dissenting views. Even in early covid when people were dying, plenty of people questioned why they had to be inconvenienced to save other people’s lives and behaved accordingly. Lockdowns were never going to work in this country because we are a narcissistic and selfish society who rarely behave for the greater good of community.

+1 million - one of the most notable things about the COVID response was the almost immediate rise of a faction of loud people that were determined to push back against any measure that would inconvenience them in the slightest.

The measures were dumb. Just delaying the inevitable.

It was beneficial to delay until vaccines were available

At great cost. Vaccines saved lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

What are you talking about? There were plenty of people who questioned everything and did whatever they wanted anyway. It’s not like the police came and arrested people for expressing dissenting views. Even in early covid when people were dying, plenty of people questioned why they had to be inconvenienced to save other people’s lives and behaved accordingly. Lockdowns were never going to work in this country because we are a narcissistic and selfish society who rarely behave for the greater good of community.

+1 million - one of the most notable things about the COVID response was the almost immediate rise of a faction of loud people that were determined to push back against any measure that would inconvenience them in the slightest.

The measures were dumb. Just delaying the inevitable.

It was beneficial to delay until vaccines were available

And then continue to double down on the closures because a small minority couldn't take the vaccine. We have to sacrifice everything for the "immunocompromised."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

What are you talking about? There were plenty of people who questioned everything and did whatever they wanted anyway. It’s not like the police came and arrested people for expressing dissenting views. Even in early covid when people were dying, plenty of people questioned why they had to be inconvenienced to save other people’s lives and behaved accordingly. Lockdowns were never going to work in this country because we are a narcissistic and selfish society who rarely behave for the greater good of community.

+1 million - one of the most notable things about the COVID response was the almost immediate rise of a faction of loud people that were determined to push back against any measure that would inconvenience them in the slightest.

The measures were dumb. Just delaying the inevitable.

It was beneficial to delay until vaccines were available

And then continue to double down on the closures because a small minority couldn't take the vaccine. We have to sacrifice everything for the "immunocompromised."

Yeah, that was a helluva goal post move at the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

What are you talking about? There were plenty of people who questioned everything and did whatever they wanted anyway. It’s not like the police came and arrested people for expressing dissenting views. Even in early covid when people were dying, plenty of people questioned why they had to be inconvenienced to save other people’s lives and behaved accordingly. Lockdowns were never going to work in this country because we are a narcissistic and selfish society who rarely behave for the greater good of community.

+1 million - one of the most notable things about the COVID response was the almost immediate rise of a faction of loud people that were determined to push back against any measure that would inconvenience them in the slightest.

The measures were dumb. Just delaying the inevitable.

It was beneficial to delay until vaccines were available

At great cost. Vaccines saved lives.

Also, when it comes to prolonged virtual learning, there were plenty of educators at both primary and secondary levels that refused to teach in person even after vaccines were available.
( I’m talking about you higher education in the fall of 2021). The cost benefit analysis was not the same at the beginning as it was in the summer or fall of 2020. It’s one thing to require people to sacrifice their lives for a novel virus that was killing people at the beginning of the pandemic. I supported mitigation measures in the spring, and the summer of 2020 and continuing on to a lesser extent. However, school closures and restrictions on other kids activities
such as sports, camps, and other institutions, compounded the harm to kids, which continued to grow the longer they were in effect. As much as we wanted to believe that Covid was going to go away, more thought should have been given to reevaluating priorities as time passed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Please! Librarians did not want to go back to work so a few homeless people would not come to the library! In MoCo.
Poor students suffered tremendously by sitting next to the wall of libraries to get some "remote" schooling done while their parents had to work at McDonald's and Wegmans and Chipotle so YOU all could get your food.
Rich people are always the same, me, me, nad some more about me.

They had child care for those families. It’s rich you don’t know that.

What are you talking about? Who had child care for those families?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal voter but trying to argue that virtual school wasn't a mistake is ridiculous. And I am a teacher!

This. I don't teach but my parents, sister, and SIL are all teachers (in a blue state that isn't on a coast). They all taught virtually in spring 2020 and then went back in person in August 2020 (hybrid in the fall and then full time in person by February when vaccines were available.

They all hate Trump and believe in science, and every one of them think how we handled it in the DMV is insane. My mom still advocates for us to move there because she worries for my youngest who did kindergarten remotely, and worries they'll close the schools again here. They hated teaching virtually and embraced hybrid (which also sucked but at least allowed for social distancing in person), masking, testing, etc., to be able to teach in person. My dad is a HS science teacher with a heart condition, and he would have retired if they stayed virtual any longer because he hated being out of the lab and trying to engage HS kids on Zoom.

DC is a huge outlier on this, but I think many people here don't have enough experience with other places to understand how much.

Why does she think they would close schools again? WTF. I wouldn't want to listen to someone thinking like that, either.

Because there could be another pandemic or emergency and she feels that the politicians and districts here showed that they don't prioritize the needs of kids or families in making policy decisions. The fact that bars and restaurants opened well before schools here astonishes her. It was the opposite where they are (Colorado) -- many restaurants stayed take out only for a full year, but they found a way to get schools open part-time in August, and that primed them to switch to full-time once vaccines happened. Part of what happened in DC is that the choice to do ZERO in person in August meant that it got harder and harder to open at all. Momentum was lost and people fought for status quo because it all felt unknown and scary. But if we'd just attempted to do some form of in person earlier, we could have built from there as vaccines came available.

The idea that you think there's no way they'd do the exact same thing again is surprising to me. That's the model we've established and no one in a position of power has acknowledged thatistakes were made.

How big are the schools there? It's far easier to reopen with smaller schools or schools able to social distance. We would not able to social distance or much else which was the issue. A small private with 100 kids and tons of space can far more easily do that than a public with 3000 kids.

Their schools are as big or bigger! Suburban schools in Denver are just as big as the ones around here. And schools in DCPS are tiny -- many of the elementaries have just a few hundred kids. Some of the charters even less.

I mean, do you hear yourselves? There's always an excuse as to why schools elsewhere reopened much earlier than here, but the are all BS. The DMV is not substantially different from any other large metropolitan area in terms of demographics, school size and resources, etc. In fact, much of the DMV is significantly richer than other places which should have made reopening more likely, not less.

The biggest thing the DMV lacked in terms of getting kids back in school? Will. The places that reopened schools, whether you are talking about Germany or Des Moines or Mexico City, did so because they view school as a fundamental part of a functional society, and knew kids and families would struggle mightily without it. So they found ways to do it, whether it was hybrid schedules, shortened school days, opening windows and having kids where winter coats to class, aggressive quarantine policies, etc. And then when vaccines came they were able to relax some of those restrictions but didn't have to change much else because schools were already open.

In the DMV, we adopted this attitude excuse-making and elaborate explanations for why we're different than other places. It was hubris, this unchangeable belief that we are smarter and more conscientious than all other people. We're not. We just care less about kids and families, I guess.

Do you and others like you on this thread really believe that? Are you so traumatized that you actually believe the motivation was to hurt kids? Or lack of care about kids?

I am not arguing for keeping kids out of school or that kids shouldn't have gone back earlier than they did; far from it. But every time I read a post like yours that ends with a statement about hating kids or not caring, I just wonder what the F is wrong with you that this is your takeaway. That you actually believe that this was the motivation or that people you are arguing with online don't love their kids or don't care about kids. WTF. You need to get a grip.

The entire planet faced Covid. While it may have been correct to close schools in March 2020 as we dealt with the unknown, it was a terrible mistake to keep public schools closed for another year. Europe had schools open. A good percentage of the US had in person schooling. But we closed our public schools. And yet we let private schools remain open. Bars. Restaurants. Stores.

We threw public school kids under the bus. Apparently to make a stupid political point. Republicans kept schools open, ergo we must close ours. Never mind that private schools were open. People were going to bars. It was just a show. And the kids were the victims of it. I will never vote for any politician in this area who had anything to do with that.

No, it was a terrible mistake not to shut down other things as well and to be so relaxed about it. So many lives could have been saved it people just acted more responsibly and cared about others. How many kids lost their parents, their grandparents and other relatives? That is far more traumatic than virtual school.

A. How would we have achieved this?

B. Can you point to any other countries that succeeded with total/more extensive lockdowns?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly at this point who cares. We did the best we could under a unique and heretofore inexperienced event. This is for scientists to be studying to plan for future pandemics. Getting angry now is ridiculous.

The problem is we weren’t allowed to ask questions and dissenting views were discouraged. Anytime you’re not allowed to ask questions or push back on something you should be concerned. The climate at the time didn’t allow questioning of precautions.

What are you talking about? There were plenty of people who questioned everything and did whatever they wanted anyway. It’s not like the police came and arrested people for expressing dissenting views. Even in early covid when people were dying, plenty of people questioned why they had to be inconvenienced to save other people’s lives and behaved accordingly. Lockdowns were never going to work in this country because we are a narcissistic and selfish society who rarely behave for the greater good of community.

+1 million - one of the most notable things about the COVID response was the almost immediate rise of a faction of loud people that were determined to push back against any measure that would inconvenience them in the slightest.

The measures were dumb. Just delaying the inevitable.

It was beneficial to delay until vaccines were available

And then continue to double down on the closures because a small minority couldn't take the vaccine. We have to sacrifice everything for the "immunocompromised."

Continuing to wear a mask in transit and healthcare facilities is not exactly storming the beach at Normandy, pal.