COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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I think what we’re seeing in this thread is the last gasp of people who wish Moms for Liberty had been successful in turning school closures into an issue that won school board elections, and are upset that it turns out they are a bunch of political failures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this was already posted, but I came across this article from New York magazine that made me question the efficacy of lockdowns, and our whole response to the pandemic. Very much 20/20 hindsight, but the more I think about it, the angrier I get, especially with closing the schools.

Here’s a link, along with a key paragraph arguing that Sweden probably had the right response.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/covid-lockdowns-big-fail-joe-nocera-bethany-mclean-book-excerpt.html

So in attempting to gauge the value of lockdowns, the most appropriate way is to look not just at COVID deaths but at all deaths during the pandemic years. That’s known as the “excess deaths” — a measure of how many more people died than in a normal year. One authoritative accounting was compiled by The Spectator using data gathered by the OECD. It showed that during the first two years of the pandemic — 2020 and 2021 — the U.S. had 19 percent more deaths than it normally saw in two years’ time. For the U.K., there was a 10 percent rise. And for Sweden — one of the few countries that had refused to lock down its society — it was just 4 percent. An analysis by Bloomberg found broadly similar results. In other words, for all the criticism Sweden shouldered from the world’s public health officials for refusing to institute lockdowns, it wound up seeing a lower overall death rate during the pandemic than most peer nations that shut down schools and public gatherings. It is not unreasonable to conclude from the available data that the lockdowns led to more overall deaths in the U.S. than a policy that resembled Sweden’s would have.

Regarding schools: truth from another message board

[i]Blame the parents. The kids can’t read, apparently don’t attend school, have cell phones at 7 years old, scroll TikTok and YouTube all day.

Millennial parents are doing bad. Yet we were complaining about the Gen X parenting…

The parents don’t parent anymore as we’ve seen from dozens of videos from educators, coaches etc. They give their kids phones and tablets and allow the internet to raise them. That’s the true epidemic.

Take away the phone, get the kids that can’t read free tutors, make them read books on the weekends, and for fun let them play outside and actually interact with the world.

The schools also need to implement phonics back into the curriculum because that well help them learn how to read.

Everyone has a ton of excuses (I.e covid, inflation, parents working a lot) but these kids didn’t know how to read before COVID and parents were overworking before COVID. If you can’t parent your child then don’t have children. If you don’t have time to work with your child then put them in programs that will. There is free tutoring everywhere and my churches will offer to help your child. And please for dear god feed them real food so they can get the nutrients for their brain to develop normally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think what we’re seeing in this thread is the last gasp of people who wish Moms for Liberty had been successful in turning school closures into an issue that won school board elections, and are upset that it turns out they are a bunch of political failures.

Is that what you think we're seeing? I think we're seeing people correctly observing that school closures and other restrictions were pointless. The upside is that when we next encountered a threat (monkey pox), the collective reaction was STFU about it.

[Anonymous]

I don’t think the closures were pointless. I think they were reasonable given the situation but in retrospect I’d do things differently.

I do think we’ve screwed ourselves because Trump and others politicized the issue so the chances of people being reasonable in tur next pandemic is pretty low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the closures were pointless. I think they were reasonable given the situation but in retrospect I’d do things differently.

I do think we’ve screwed ourselves because Trump and others politicized the issue so the chances of people being reasonable in tur next pandemic is pretty low.

Closures for a couple weeks might have been reasonable. Anything beyond that was pointless.

The Democrats politicized it as well by supporting conflicting, nonsensical restrictions. And as you pointed out, they overplayed their hand because next time there's going to be nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think what we’re seeing in this thread is the last gasp of people who wish Moms for Liberty had been successful in turning school closures into an issue that won school board elections, and are upset that it turns out they are a bunch of political failures.

They are so angry now they literally want to punish the people who were in power at that time. Calling for Nuremberg trials and the like. I think they want the people who were in power at that time executed. I mean that seriously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what we’re seeing in this thread is the last gasp of people who wish Moms for Liberty had been successful in turning school closures into an issue that won school board elections, and are upset that it turns out they are a bunch of political failures.

Is that what you think we're seeing? I think we're seeing people correctly observing that school closures and other restrictions were pointless. The upside is that when we next encountered a threat (monkey pox), the collective reaction was STFU about it.

They were not pointless. They were necessary.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what we’re seeing in this thread is the last gasp of people who wish Moms for Liberty had been successful in turning school closures into an issue that won school board elections, and are upset that it turns out they are a bunch of political failures.

Is that what you think we're seeing? I think we're seeing people correctly observing that school closures and other restrictions were pointless. The upside is that when we next encountered a threat (monkey pox), the collective reaction was STFU about it.

They were not pointless. They were necessary.

Nah, they were pointless. When you had to mask on the 30-second walk to your restaurant table but could remain unmasked after that...yeah, pointless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what we’re seeing in this thread is the last gasp of people who wish Moms for Liberty had been successful in turning school closures into an issue that won school board elections, and are upset that it turns out they are a bunch of political failures.

Is that what you think we're seeing? I think we're seeing people correctly observing that school closures and other restrictions were pointless. The upside is that when we next encountered a threat (monkey pox), the collective reaction was STFU about it.

They were not pointless. They were necessary.

Nah, they were pointless. When you had to mask on the 30-second walk to your restaurant table but could remain unmasked after that...yeah, pointless.

Nope, not pointless, protocols saved lives. Your not liking them (which is your prerogative there isn't a feelings police) does not equal pointless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what we’re seeing in this thread is the last gasp of people who wish Moms for Liberty had been successful in turning school closures into an issue that won school board elections, and are upset that it turns out they are a bunch of political failures.

Is that what you think we're seeing? I think we're seeing people correctly observing that school closures and other restrictions were pointless. The upside is that when we next encountered a threat (monkey pox), the collective reaction was STFU about it.

They were not pointless. They were necessary.

The science doesn’t back this up no matter how much you wish it would, and that truth has nothing to do with politics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what we’re seeing in this thread is the last gasp of people who wish Moms for Liberty had been successful in turning school closures into an issue that won school board elections, and are upset that it turns out they are a bunch of political failures.

Is that what you think we're seeing? I think we're seeing people correctly observing that school closures and other restrictions were pointless. The upside is that when we next encountered a threat (monkey pox), the collective reaction was STFU about it.

They were not pointless. They were necessary.

The science doesn’t back this up no matter how much you wish it would, and that truth has nothing to do with politics.

Science backs it up.
Can't turn back time time and do 2020/2021 over again, no matter how mad you are. Protocols happened. Stay mad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think what we’re seeing in this thread is the last gasp of people who wish Moms for Liberty had been successful in turning school closures into an issue that won school board elections, and are upset that it turns out they are a bunch of political failures.

It's a vast rightwing conspiracy, amiright?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what we’re seeing in this thread is the last gasp of people who wish Moms for Liberty had been successful in turning school closures into an issue that won school board elections, and are upset that it turns out they are a bunch of political failures.

Is that what you think we're seeing? I think we're seeing people correctly observing that school closures and other restrictions were pointless. The upside is that when we next encountered a threat (monkey pox), the collective reaction was STFU about it.

They were not pointless. They were necessary.

Nah, they were pointless. When you had to mask on the 30-second walk to your restaurant table but could remain unmasked after that...yeah, pointless.

Nope, not pointless, protocols saved lives. Your not liking them (which is your prerogative there isn't a feelings police) does not equal pointless.

Where is the evidence of this? The spread wasn’t contained. Everybody gets infected, and now it’s evolved into a fairly benign illness. Vaccines don’t explain that since most people haven’t gotten a booster in ages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think what we’re seeing in this thread is the last gasp of people who wish Moms for Liberty had been successful in turning school closures into an issue that won school board elections, and are upset that it turns out they are a bunch of political failures.

Is that what you think we're seeing? I think we're seeing people correctly observing that school closures and other restrictions were pointless. The upside is that when we next encountered a threat (monkey pox), the collective reaction was STFU about it.

They were not pointless. They were necessary.

Nah, they were pointless. When you had to mask on the 30-second walk to your restaurant table but could remain unmasked after that...yeah, pointless.

Nope, not pointless, protocols saved lives. Your not liking them (which is your prerogative there isn't a feelings police) does not equal pointless.

Where is the evidence of this? The spread wasn’t contained. Everybody gets infected, and now it’s evolved into a fairly benign illness. Vaccines don’t explain that since most people haven’t gotten a booster in ages.

2020/2021 is done and gone. No one is going to prison or will be executed for the protocols. Your dreams will not come true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think what we’re seeing in this thread is the last gasp of people who wish Moms for Liberty had been successful in turning school closures into an issue that won school board elections, and are upset that it turns out they are a bunch of political failures.

No, that’s not it.